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A distinguishing trait of a member of the World Order, although it may not be admitted, is that he does not believe in anything but the World Order. Another distinguishing trait is his absolute contempt for anyone who actually believes in the tenets of Communism, Zionism, Christianity, or any national, religious or fraternal group, although the Order has members in controlling positions in all of these groups. If you are a sincere Christian, Zionist or Moslem, the World Order regards you as a moron unworthy of respect. You can and will be used, but you will never be respected.
After the Bolsheviks had gained power, Masonic lodges were tolerated for a time. This situation, however, did not last long. In 1922 the Fourth Communist International formally declared that Masonry was contrary to communist ideology. Some lodges immediate closed doors, while others continued a precarious existence.
Four years later, a strange request from the Mason Astromov to the dictator Stalin, to allow Masonry to operate under official sanction, resulted in the arrest, torture and imprisonment of known Masons. Freemasonry disappeared totally during the remaining years of soviet rule. Astromov himself was detained, interrogated, revealed all he knew to the secret police, and died soon after his release.
An avowed atheist, Heinrich Karl Marx (1818/05/05 - 1883/03/14) would not have qualified for membership. There is no record of his having joined a regular lodge. Marx's alleged masonic link stems from his involvement with the League of the Just.
Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill, British statesman, author and Conservative Prime Minister (1940-45, 1951-55), rallied the British people during World War II.
He was awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1953, the same year he received his knighthood.
Churchill was a regular lodge attender, although not an office holder, until his resignation in July, 1912. In 1918 he signed an unsuccessful petition for a new lodge to be called the Ministry of Munitions Lodge and, in his only other recorded masonic contact, he visited Royal Naval Lodge No. 59 on December 10, 1928.
There is no documentation extant that Churchill publicly renounced Freemasonry.
Initiated: May 24, 1901
Passed: July 19, 1901
Raised: March 5, 1902
Studholme Lodge, London,
later Studholme Alliance Lodge No. 1591 (1976)
Originally posted by the_sentinal
sounds like someone has been hangin around the georgia guidstones too long
Originally posted by Arcane Demesne
Originally posted by Trinityman
The real conspiracy, of course, may be to continue to deflect interest away from the genuine culprits. Wouldn't it be funny if markus and his ilk turned out to be NWO disinfo agents? Personally, I think they're just misguided but you never know...
Yeah, or at least someone on this board, that would be ironic.
How'd all this Masonry conspiracy stuff anyway? I didn't even think anybody thought they were bad until I came to ATS. My grandfather was 32 degree Scottish Rite (american). All he says it it's like a club with dress up ceremonies and people just help other people and give to charity. Seems like a 'good' orginization, rather than a 'bad' one. Personally, it may be that someone high up is/was a mason and their personality just can't let go of greed, and so people see the connection and think they're all like that. I'm sure that happens with all sorts of clubs/orginizations.
Originally posted by Riwka
Originally posted by markusjharper
Don't shoot the messenger, right?
Again, I am just asking for a serious source.
Beeing not only a Jew and an Israeli citizen but of course also a Zionist, I am..... let's say:..... amused
Ok, now - let's start:
.....and begin with the following two things you claimed and I please would ask you to deliver a serious proof:
- markusjharper: "Zionisists are petty rasists and Talmud reading losers".
- markusjharper: "A few other well known Jewish-[...] : Prince William
Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Really. I am supposed to discuss this with someojne who says the above, which includes asserting that the British Royal Family is a clan of Jews?
Excuse me, I'm gonna go and look for my hat.
Maybe some Jews and some Masons will pop in and help out with a little history lesson.
For clarification, Zionism is simply the belief that Jewish people have the right to a homeland, and that homeland is Israel. This is not a Judeo-Masonic conspiracy to take over the world. If it was, I am sure that they would have picked a stretch of land that actually had oil underneath it, rather than just about the only chunck that didn't!
Don't mind me, though; I've been around people who look for reasons to hate all my life.
Darn those childrens' hospitals! Evil, I tell you! And the nerve of the Jews trying to survive! How dare they?
The Carters, Bush's and Clinton's are part of the conspiracy, too; I suppose they are also Jewish Masons, huh?
Originally posted by markusjharper
Was I wrong about Karl Marx and Stalin also?
I have pictures of Stalin which prove he was a Mason.
Originally posted by twitchy
Wikipedia and the Jewish Virtual Library? No thanks, try google...
Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
Surely someone as highly regarded as Lord Rothschild would be held in high regards by the Israelite Masonic Lodge. – So I doubt they would keep it secret. Could one of the Masons on this site contact The Grand Lodge of the State of Israel and ask if any Rothschild have ever been masons?