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posted on Mar, 18 2006 @ 07:01 AM
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Originally posted by markusjharper

ISRAEL STILL NOT WORKING



huh?

I think you missed the reality.

The Jewish Democratic State of Israel- well respected member of the United Nations - is working.

Beginning of March 2006, we have been 7,006,000 people , 76% (5.32 million) of them are Jews.

Israel's population reached 1,000,000 in 1949 - we have grown much since then. (source)

Great, isn't it?




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posted on Mar, 18 2006 @ 07:14 AM
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huh?

I think you missed the reality.

The Jewish Democratic State of Israel- well respected member of the United Nations - is working.

Beginning of march 2006, we have been 7,006,000 people , 76% (5.32 million) of them are Jews.

Israel's population reached 1,000,000 in 1949 - we have grown much since then.

Great, isn't it?


So why don't you go and kiss Lord Rothschild for me. (just kidding) But thanks to scum like him, we had a 9-11 and the only way to get into Iran now with a depressed American Army is:

a) a Depression,
b) another worse 9-11,
c) UN support - doubtful without another 9-11 though.

They should use MOSSAD for cannon fodder first though - MOSSAD and the CIA murdered enough people on 9-11, I think they can go first, since they like to murder innocent people.


Btw, you like this site? www.jewsnotzionists.org... I'm not against Jews ya know but I am opposed to the original idea of a State of Israel. The Bible speaks of a new Consciouness "Israel" and this was never meant to be taken as a land for Jews, or even State, see? But now we do have a little problem because a lot of honest, innocent Jewish and other peoples have made a home there, so what now? Sorry to say but it ain't over yet.


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posted on Mar, 18 2006 @ 07:33 AM
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Originally posted by markusjharper

I am opposed to the original idea of a State of Israel.



Oh, that is no problem. You are in 'good company' with lots of arabic states, which do not recognize Israel at all.

But that is no big problem for us.

We enjoy being Israelis. We dance the hora and wait for the Maissiach to come to Yerushalayim


(BTW: What about my two questions and the serious source for your claims?)



posted on Mar, 18 2006 @ 07:43 AM
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Riwka,

Do you know what Goetia is? Are a Talmudist, Torah Jew, or both? Have you studied the works of Levy, Steiner, Pike, Blavatsky and others. Have you ever heard of the Satanic, sixth and seventh books of Moses, or understand the Kaballah well? If not, how can you understand anything about the the occult forces forces which helped to shape Israel?

Do you understand that Zionism is pure black magic at the highest levels?

Did you study the roots of Zionism and did you ever look into the history of Sabbatai Zevi? www.rense.com...

I donlt have time to get all my sources together tonight but this one has some good informtion -some is to be taken with a grain of salt. Check out the Rothschild bloodline for starters. He's a true Zionists - do you really want to be part of these Rothschild-like Protocols? www.thewatcherfiles.com...



posted on Mar, 18 2006 @ 07:52 AM
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Riwka,

Your King Maissiach was born in 1998 and is being well prepared. He has superhuman powers and will come to offer the world a helping hand. Will you not accept his help? This Being will be called Ahirman and he is in us right now. He is decaying light; just as electricity in the nervous system, her has helped man learn all of the material sciences since the age of Copornicus.



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posted on Mar, 18 2006 @ 07:53 AM
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You are kidding, right?

Please, start and do at least a little research. It would help if you'd try to go to serious sources.

Still, you did not deliver....

Please - begin with the following two things you claimed and I please would ask you to deliver a serious proof:

  1. markusjharper: "Zionisists are petty rasists and Talmud reading losers".

  2. markusjharper: "A few other well known Jewish-[...] : Prince William


Could you start with your answer - please?








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posted on Mar, 18 2006 @ 07:57 AM
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You are kidding, right?

Please, start and do at least a little research. It would help if you'd try to go to serious sources


Oh, this is no joke. I'm afraid that the Jews along with the Christians will be greatly mislead by this new King.

As for the references: you did not yet read the two I gave you.



posted on Mar, 18 2006 @ 08:02 AM
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Of course, it is a joke - and it would be very clear to you, if you only would do a little research, what criteria the Massiach would have to fulfill

So - what about the proof in reagrd to your two claims?

I am still waiting...


Or is your non-answer to your own claims the proof that you can't deliver, hm?

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posted on Mar, 18 2006 @ 08:11 AM
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markj,

You seem to be confused. And in clicking a few of the trashy links you provide I'm starting to understand why.

First and foremost, Zionism is not a religion.

Flight to 911 - Zionism and Arab Nationalism

And, yes, Rothschild was a major financial supporter of Zionism, and the Balfour document says exactly what markj copied. But as you will see in the link above, the intent of Zionism was to establish a homeland for the Jews - not to take over the world with some black magic religion.

Flight to 911 - Balfour and the Mandatory Years

And if you will read the two links I've provided you will find that it is not so much that the British made the Balfour agreement with the Jews (in order to get their financial support during WWI) as it was that the British made the same agreement with both the Jews and the Arabs...which led to the mess we've been in now for almost 100 years.



posted on Mar, 18 2006 @ 08:31 AM
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Prince William is a non Jew. That was my mistake to have mixed up the boys up like that. Prince Philip however, was a 33 degree Mason and supported the Zionist agenda. He was not a Jew but wrote a terrible book about population reduction called " if I wear an animal" or something to that effect which was about his dream to come back as a virus and wipe out all the useless eaters etc. It was perhaps a poor idea to mention them also.

As for my statements on Rothschild: They are backed up in the few links I provided. As for my personal opinion, that Zionists are Talmud reading idiots - Yes, I still stand by that. Sorry if that bothers you but I oppose Zionism with all my being. Zionism is a very destructive force to the Jewish people and the world as a whole; whose fruits have bare war for how long now? Now, the links I provided state this very well.

If you so choose to identify yourself with "that which sprung out of anti-Semitism" be my guest but do not think for one moment that Zionism has anything to do with being Jewish. Zionism is a stupid Idea and many decent Jews are opposed to it!


www.jewsnotzionists.org...

Ten questions to the Zionists
by Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L
Dean of Nitra Yeshiva

IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that:
a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and
b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and
c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.

IS IT TRUE that the Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.

Edit: Copy and Paste.

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posted on Mar, 18 2006 @ 08:39 AM
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markj,

You seem to be confused. And in clicking a few of the trashy links you provide I'm starting to understand why.


Which links were trashy?


First and foremost, Zionism is not a religion.


Correct. it is a sickness, a disease, a cult idea that will not work and has not worked! But where does one get the idea of an Israel State? Why the necessitry? Can you tell me that? Could it be that they follow a Biblical idea? How is that non-religious anymore than anything else?


And, yes, Rothschild was a major financial supporter of Zionism, and the Balfour document says exactly what markj copied. But as you will see in the link above, the intent of Zionism was to establish a homeland for the Jews - not to take over the world with some black magic religion.


You don't understand. Zionism and Rothschild are like ONE. But the Rothschild's are magicans - it's called fiat currancy, see?


And if you will read the two links I've provided you will find that it is not so much that the British made the Balfour agreement with the Jews (in order to get their financial support during WWI) as it was that the British made the same agreement with both the Jews and the Arabs...which led to the mess we've been in now for almost 100 years.


It was no deal for those who lost their land and lives. Sorry, no deal! Did anyone ask all those palestinian Jews, Muslims and Christians what they wanted.....no sir.


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posted on Mar, 18 2006 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by markusjharper

Zionism [...] many decent Jews are opposed to it!



And that also is wrong.

The few thousand Jews belonging to the Neturei Karta - sect are not at all 'many'.

Could you please deliver any proof for your claim that many Jews oppose Zionism?



posted on Mar, 18 2006 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by markusjharper

[Zionism]

will not work and has not worked!


Not?



Well, as widely known, the Jewish State of Israel has been established on May 14, 1948.

So we are an old State, already - we are even one year older than Germany, which was established in May 1949.


Zionism works pretty well



posted on Mar, 18 2006 @ 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by Riwka

Originally posted by markusjharper

Zionism [...] many decent Jews are opposed to it!



And that also is wrong.

The few thousand Jews belonging to the Neturei Karta - sect are not at all 'many'.

Could you please deliver any proof for your claim that many Jews oppose Zionism?




I'm more interested in observing the way you go about trying to defend Zionism. I think you're a little sick, btw in doing so.

First of all - what color are you? Are you white? Are you willing to answer that? Are you a Kazar Jew? Did you know that the Jews are a Religion and not a race, or a people, or a State? The Palistinians have more real Jewish blood than any Zionist fruit-cake, btw. So I suggest that first we make it clear that the Jews are not a race, or nation, you're a religion.

Now, why the need for an Israel? Beats me? Since when is the last a religion require any State? Can you explain that to me please..?

REAL Jews MUST oppose Zionism because zionism means a nation and a true Jew is a 'religious' person and does not call himself Jewish because of a nation. www.jewsagainstzionism.com... unless you're a wannebe Sanhedrin may be?

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posted on Mar, 18 2006 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by markusjharper

I'm more interested in observing the way you go about trying to defend Zionism. I think you're a little sick, btw in doing so.

First of all - what color are you? Are you white? Are you willing to answer that? Are you a Kazar Jew? Did you know that the Jews are a Religion and not a race, or a people, or a State? The Palistinians have more real Jewish blood than any Zionist fruit-cake, btw. So I suggest that first we make it clear that the Jews are not a race, or nation, you're a religion.



Okay, this behavior will stop immediately.

1. In the rational world, it matters not what color ANY member is when discussing an issue.

2. Lay off the "you're sick" comments. Just because some one does not agree with your perception of Zionism, does not make them sick.

You will either discuss this issue at hand without getting personal, or I'll ask some one to intervene in a more severe manner.



posted on Mar, 18 2006 @ 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by markusjharper

I think you're a little sick



Thanks for your concern, but I can reassure you! I am doing very well.


...As you can find out with very little research here on the ATS- boards, I am a native Israeli with parts of my family being in that area for a long, long, long time. (Even the charter of the PLO calls us 'Palestinian Jews' - as I already have explained for instance here) - as you can easy see: negative! I am not what you call a ' Khazare Jew'.


And yes, Jews are a people, a nation and Judaism is a religion.

Still - any proof for your claim is missing:

Could you please deliver any proof for your claim that "many Jews" oppose Zionism?


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posted on Mar, 18 2006 @ 09:27 AM
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Hang on just a second...

Here's the title and subject of this thread

Zionism, No better Home than in Freemasonry

and the original post asks questions concerning "rogue Zionist" groups of Masons.

Let's get back to that topic - PLEASE.



posted on Mar, 18 2006 @ 09:31 AM
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Can someone confirm that James Meyer Rothschild, Nathan Meyer Rothschild , Solomon Meir Rothschild, Baron de Rothschild , and Max Rothschild were in fact masons? (regular or not)

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posted on Mar, 18 2006 @ 09:35 AM
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A very good idea!


The first posting in this thread showed a list of persons markusjharper said to be Jewish.


Originally posted by markusjharper

A few other well known Jewish [...]

Mazzini the founder of the Italian mafia

Karl Marx

Stalin

Churchill and Roosevelt

Prince William and Karl William



markusjharper already admitted a mistake by making Prince William a Jew.

I think it is time to ask for the next proof within that list.



@ markusjharper,

Could you please deliver any source for Josef Stalin to be a Jew?



posted on Mar, 18 2006 @ 09:37 AM
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Okay, this behavior will stop immediately.

1. In the rational world, it matters not what color ANY member is when discussing an issue.


Sorry, to advise you that to the Zionists is does matter. Where else does the www.britishisrael.co.uk... and the same ilk arrive at the idea that the Jews are somehow the chosen race? These white Jews like Rothschild (I'm white btw) are not a RACE, not a nation and that is my WHOLE point. Honestly, I could care less what color she is - (she could even lie about it) all the more disorted internally I'm sure, when we consider how a rational human being would flame that Zionsim is a good thing. Zionists are rascists and the only ones whining when Mel Gibson film came out. Not the Muslims, or even the Jews, no...only the Zionists felt that Mel Gibson's film was too much for them...I mean please!

Lookit, may be some people get the wrong impression of Markusjharper. I do have REAL Jewish friends and they would not ever believe me that I had to actually have a Zionist tell me that its a great thing!


2. Lay off the "you're sick" comments. Just because some one does not agree with your perception of Zionism, does not make them sick.


If someone comes on here and completely ignores the threat of the Rothschild Dynasty (maybe they never heard if him..lol) and then proceeds to nitpick at everything into a flim-flam attempt to support Zionism; that is gonna get me going , sorry. Anyone, who has the gall to try and tell me that Zionism is a great thing....honestly, I'm saying that these people are true scum and my Jewish friend says that very few Jews are Zionists. I guess I was wrong after all!


You will either discuss this issue at hand without getting personal, or I'll ask some one to intervene in a more severe manner


I'm still waiting for someone to prove to me that the Rothschilds were not Masonic-Zionists. Instead...of someone doing a simple search in www.google.ca , I get told that zionism is great thing and everyone except for myself, just sit back and do nothing about it?





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