NEWS: Iranian Spiritual Leaders Sanction the Use of Nuclear Weapons in New Fatwa.

Originally posted by thermopolis
And when it comes to nukes being developed by insane islamic countries screw the treaties, stop the insane..........

Let's REFRESH your memory a little bit, shall we?

US backs out of nuclear inspections treaty

Nuclear Arms for Deterrence or Fighting?

In its Nuclear Posture Review, the Pentagon cites the need for new nuclear arms that could have a lower yield and produce less nuclear fallout. The weapons, the Pentagon said, could be designed to destroy underground complexes, including stores of chemical and biological arms. The targets might be situated in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya or North Korea, a reorientation away from cold war scenarios involving Russia.

... “Throughout the nuclear age, the fundamental goal has been to prevent the use of nuclear weapons,” said Ivo Daalder, a foreign policy specialist at the Brookings Institution. “Now the policy has been turned upside down. It is to keep nuclear weapons as a tool of war-fighting rather than a tool of deterrence. If military planners are now to consider the nuclear option any time they confront a surprising military development, the distinction between nuclear and non-nuclear weapons fades away.”

... Mr. Bush’s Pentagon has also pushed for new and more usable nuclear weapons.

Sound Familiar?

No?

How about this?

The Nuclear Option in Iraq

The U.S. has lowered the bar for using the ultimate weapon

First, if the United States lowers the nuclear threshold -- even as a possibility -- it raises the likelihood that other nations will lower their own thresholds and employ nuclear weapons in situations where they simply need a stronger military punch. Until now, the United States has reserved nuclear weapons for retaliation against nuclear attacks or immediate threats to national survival, a standard tacitly but widely accepted around the world. If the president believes that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein poses that kind of danger to the United States, he has failed to convince the world -- and many U.S. citizens.

Interesting, ey?

Not only that the US goverment has backed out of nuclear treaties - they have also been FURTHER Researching the Nuclear Weapon Options and further Blurring the Line between Conventional and Nuclear.

BBC - US 'plans new nuclear weapons'
Pentagon Revises Nuclear Strike Plan

The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) was ratified in 1975. It has been ratified by 187 countries, more than any other arms limitation and disarmament agreement. India, Pakistan, Israel and Cuba did not sign the NPT - and North Korea announced in January 2003 its withdrawal.

Apparently Nobody has a Problem with Isreal owning a couple of Hundred ILLEGAL Nukes - but everybody has a problem with Iranian Nucler Programme.

Apparently that is of No Importance.

Just like the silent blurring of the line between the Nuclear and Conventional done by the US goverment, to use Nuclear weapons against Non-Nuclear countries in their so-called PRE-emptive strikes.

Hypochrisy of the West at its BEST!

Wanna see the REAL REASONS Why Iran is the Next Target?

Soulhaj, this topic is about an Iranian Mullah saying it is alright for Iran to have nuclear weapons, and it is alright for Iran to use nuclear weapons when the world has nuclear weapons.

Let's stay on topic... or make your own new thread making all the claims you want to make about....

Originally posted by Muaddib
Souljah, this topic is about an Iranian Mullah saying it is alright for Iran to have nuclear weapons, and it is alright for Iran to use nuclear weapons when the world has nuclear weapons.

Well if you ask me, THIS certain Topic has ALOT more to do with the Posts that I made, whihc are not at all Diverting as you claim, but very much the Enviroment, in which these News you posted did ARISE.

And it does also have ALOT to do with the current US and UK Fake News Olympics taking place.

I ask myself, are the Results of the Recent 75$ Stronger Pressure on Iran or What?

Rice Asks for $75 Million to Increase Pressure on Iran

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice asked Congress yesterday to provide $75 million in emergency funding to step up pressure on the Iranian government, including expanding radio and television broadcasts into Iran and promoting internal opposition to the rule of religious leaders.

Naaaaaaah!

I guess I am just living on Another Planet then You then.



Hey - does that Cute Site you used for your Source for War in Iran include any Links to Sources and Sites for the Petrodollar War the Upcoming Iranian Oil Bourse? I guess that would not go along with their Agenda would it?

It would Make them Look them pretty Funny then!



[edit on 20/2/06 by Souljah]

It does have nothing to do with this topic souljah.... News of what the Iranian president and the regime have been saying come from several sources, not the U.S. and Britain.... You forget that your idol the Iranian president has spoken in front of all the leaders of the UN.....but of course you will try to claim this was all a "hologram provided by the U.S. goverment or Israel"....

I am not going to fall in your agenda Souljah, of trying to blame the U.S. and the west for everything that other countries do.

As i said, stay on topic or stay in your own threads if you want to publicize your hatred of the west.

[edit on 20-2-2006 by Muaddib]

Not that i want to get in the middle of yet another souljah/muaddib discussion...

but Muaddib, can you help to focus us back on topic, by please stating if you think this is a big "DUHHH" of obvious information
or is perhaps real news with real reason for being hyped?

IMO that it is just more propaganda for the machine...
is it true? could be... not the issue though...

there are rapscallions on every front, and evil doers behind every door...
so why pick on the iranians?
If they mention nukes in defense, is that not expected... especially amidst the sabre rattling? I feel no more threatened than i was last month...

Well, as i already mentioned the first problem i see with this is that "supossedly" Iran was going after nuclear technology for "peaceful purposes", yet we can see by the actions and statements from the Iranian president, and these Mullahs, that they have their sights on procuring nuclear weapons, not for "peaceful purposes".

I don't think this is propaganda. European countries, and even Russia have have the same opinion on the real purposes for Iran's nuclear technology. I am not sure how long Russia will back the European nations and the U.S. in this, China seems already to be trying their own hand on this issue making deals with Iran.

I do know that the Iranian regime, and more so under their new president, is a threat to the region and the world.

The Iranian president, and the Mullah, are the ones who have been making such statements, and are acting on their "mission to usher the world into chaos so the 12th Imam can return".

I haven't seen nor heard the U.S., Israel, nor Europe, say they should wipe off any other nations.

[edit on 20-2-2006 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by Muaddib
Souljah, i think we all know by now that you hate the U.S., Israel and the west in general, but that is not the topic in this thread, so stay on topic please. Thanks....

I love it when you throw out that old chestnut about hating America...its so damned cute of you, just because somebody disagrees with you or the administrations policies, they hate the West. Priceless and more full of bullhooey than a cow. The simple reality is American policies affect not only how the world sees us but effect how they react to us. Kim jon Ill and the Mullah's in Iran read into the axis of evil speech, just what they wanted to read of course, BUT, Souljah has a valid point in that it is going to be next to impossible to get any other country (especially those dubbed as part of the axis) to listen to us, in regards to nuclear poliferation, when the Bush administration has made the point of trashing many of the major treaties regarding it to begin with, have toyed with using them and suggested beefing up our arsenal, as if eliminating all life on earth 100 times over is not enough. Damned fools the whole bloody lot of em.

Originally posted by Muaddib

I don't think this is propaganda. European countries, and even Russia have have the same opinion on the real purposes for Iran's nuclear technology.

I haven't seen nor heard the U.S., Israel, nor Europe, say they should wipe off any other nations.

[edit on 20-2-2006 by Muaddib]

that is kinda my point also...
I dont think anyone is fooled by the "we need electricity" line... but it serves so that everyone can discuss this over tea, rather than get defensive...

Now as to whether they truly deserve this much attention even if they do have nukes...

Heard from crazy Kim lately?

I heard that he has nukes also... and was threatening to use them...
of course... he doesn't have oil does he? he isn't in the middle east is he?

again... not saying that this isn't important... it just isn't surprising, or really scary... since it means nothing more than the "proof" of a hoaxed holocaust...

if it was a respected individual followed by other respected individuals... maybe... but let me know when that happens...

Kim uses threats to get money from the west. He is a threat, but the Iranian regime is even more of a threat, more so because as their own president and mullahs are saying, "they are paving the way for the return of the Mullah and the world will be without the U.S. and Israel soon."

I agree that Kim is a threat, because we don't know what he might do when push comes to shove, the difference is that the Iranian regime is not looking for a stalemate, they are looking to usher the world into chaos.

Originally posted by grover

I love it when you throw out that old chestnut about hating America...its so damned cute of you, just because somebody disagrees with you or the administrations policies, they hate the West.

I don't "throw out any chestnuts" gover.... Every thread Souljah likes to turn into a "let's bash and hate the west and more so the U.S." thread. This has nothing to do with the "policies of the west"..... This has to do with the idea that the Iranian president, and the Mullahs want to "pave the way for the 12th Imam to come back from a well... and their mission ito making this possible, is by ushering the world into chaos.... all of which they say themselves....it does not come from the west.

That's what this topic is about.

You wanty to blame the U.S., for what proliferation of nukes?

It was France who gave nuclear technology to Israel, for weapons, not the U.S..... But neither you nor souljah want to bring this up....

You want the U.S. to be the first one to get rid of every nuclear weapon and you think every other country in the world will follow the lead of the U.S?..... That's not going to happen, because only the most naive people in the world would believe that once the U.S. is without nuclear weapons, the rest of the countries in the world will give in, give away all their nuclear weapons, and embrace with love and flowers the U.S.....

Should we get back to the topic now?......

It is not the U.S. who made this announcement.... it was an Iranian Mullah.... Get that in your head.... The iranian president made all the statements "of his own free will"....

If you want to follow Souljah's lead into "let's start a new thread to bash and blame the U.S." then make your own thread.

[edit on 20-2-2006 by Muaddib]

Yes, in Muaddibs defense...
Souljah is an America basher...
that said... let it also be said that America deserves a bashing here and there...
Right now, there isn't one american that should be proud of our government...

Proud of our country- You bet....
proud of our leaders- Sometimes...
Proud of our overseas policy- Not in a hundred years of propaganda yelled in my ears...

We have chosen to try to remake a pig into a cow... and no matter what we do, or what color we paint it... it will still scream "we are pigs, quit trying to tape horns to our head"...
In this case... we have tried to remold these "pigs" so many times that they now try to blow up our cow molds with suicide pigs in bomb belts...

can we blame them?
let them be pigs...
let them live in squallor, and ignorance... and let them just try to shoot a nuke over here... and see how quickly the world can do without pork...
we already have one white meat... no need of another...

sorry to mix metaphors... I might have lost some of you...

I don't give a flying leap who started nuclear poliferation, its an evil game no matter who plays it and there is a damned good reason why it is called MAD, because it is. Nor do I care whether France gave Isreal the bomb or not, the fact that there are nuclear bombs in that part of the world worries me sick. It is not just the Mullahs that are calling for the end of the world, I have heard many a "christian" preacher do the same on sunday mornings. I hear them when I visit my mother in her nursing home. The same madness is endemic here in America...religious fanaticism is another evil, couple it with power and it becomes a very dangerous game. The currents that stir in the rest of the world stir here too, we are not special or immune, and dispite all the retoric, we could start the end of the world just as easy as Iran could, though they are not going to do much damage with one or two bombs...now several thousand thats another story and only one country has that many.

Yay relgious fanatics.

See, this is why I decided to become an atheist. What god that preaches love, tolerance, and justice for all, would allow millions of innocent people to be killed in his name?

There are always religious fanatics in all religions, the problem is when a regime, such as Iran keeps proclaiming and takes action to "wipe some nations off the map."

This is not the world, neither the U.S., Israel, nor Europe saying "we should wipe X country off the map"..... This is the Iranian regime saying they are working on wiping off the map the U.S. and israel, and ushering the world into chaos so their Imam can come back from a well....

Originally posted by Muaddib
There are always religious fanatics in all religions, the problem is when a regime, such as Iran keeps proclaiming and takes action to "wipe some nations off the map."

Talk is always cheap...but Iran has not taken action to wipe some nation off the map, just spouted alot of hostile retoric...as have we. The Republicans have had a war-on over Iran ever since the hostage crisis in the late 70's, and after Bushes lies about Iraq to get the war he wanted, I have to take what his administration says about other countries with a large shaker of salt. I know the Iranian president is a jackass and said some pretty beligerent things but so hasn't Bush...I just can't help but see them as two numb nut bullies puffing up their chests and strutting around the playground.

Grover....why is it that you always forget all the evidence which has been given in these forums which shows that pretty much every country in the world, and their intelligence agencies were saying exactly the same thing about Iraq ..... ?.....

It was only because of the dirty deals that France, Russia, China, Germany and a few others had with Saddam's regime through the Oil For Food program/scandal, that these nations decided not to back the U.S....

But their intelligence agencies were telling us that Saddam was planning on making terrorist attacks in the U.S. and had wmd programs....

Anyways...this is about Iran, and the European nations together with at least Russia, now China has backed away of course since it has a new deal with Iran, are the ones who started asking to take Iran to the UN security coincil because of it's wmd program.....

i am pretty sure you, and others like you, in about 6-8 months or so will forget all this and start trying to claim that "all this were just lies done by the U.S. government".....

[edit on 21-2-2006 by Muaddib]

Yeah I know...you keep saying what all the other countries were saying about Iraq and WMD, but guess what, they were wrong. To suggest that Saddam, on the verge of being invaded, opted not to use them and moved them out of the country instead to say, Syria is laughable. I am no big fan of the Iranian government, I don't back it or support it, I know alot of Iranian Baha'i's and I know what they have been through. All I am saying is that given the Bush track record...I think anyone with half a brain (or consious) would have to take them with a grain of salt this time...sounds too much like wolf to me...what was that old saw Bush couldn't work his mouth around saying...fool me once...............

I knew for sure the whole WMD thing was a lie when Bush made it into a joke by looking for them under his desk and behind his couch. Be that as it may when we talk about the mid-east, and Iran in general it is always wise to keep this fact in mind...our history of the past 25 years with Iran from the hostages on would be vastly different if the U.S./CIA hadn't opted to reinstate the Shah in 1953 after his own people threw him out and established a republic and no amount of spin from Muaddip will change that.

[edit on 22-2-2006 by grover]

Originally posted by grover
Yeah I know...you keep saying what all the other countries were saying about Iraq and WMD, but guess what, they were wrong.

They were wrong?... Then why didn't Saddam destroy all the douments which dealt with wmd?...why didn't he destroy all the empty chemical warheads which were found in Iraq?...why didn't he destroy all the banned missiles, including those he fired at the coalition?...

Why didn't Saddam use wmd? maybe because he knew that if he used them, he would truly unite the whole world, or most of it, in ousting him.

Instead now we have people in the west claiming that Iraq was better with Saddam in power, and we have many people doubting the evidence because he decided not to use all of what he had.

BTW, Saddam still owed quite a bit of money, in the billions to Russia, and it wasn't in the best interest of Russia, or any other country who sold wmd to Iraq, for the coalition to find wmd made in Russia or any other country.

Do a search on "Sarindar plan" and you will see what Russian military officers who have defected from Russia say about wmd in Iraq.

We also have the testimony of the second most powerful airforce pilot in Saddam's regime also stating that there were wmd in Iraq, alongside some other people such as a Syrian journalist. All the evidence still points to the fact that he had them.

Originally posted by grover
To suggest that Saddam, on the verge of being invaded, opted not to use them and moved them out of the country instead to say, Syria is laughable. I am no big fan of the Iranian government, I don't back it or support it, I know alot of Iranian Baha'i's and I know what they have been through. All I am saying is that given the Bush track record...I think anyone with half a brain (or consious) would have to take them with a grain of salt this time...sounds too much like wolf to me...what was that old saw Bush couldn't work his mouth around saying...fool me once...............

Oh...I see...so in order to be considered intelligent, in your opinion, one has to agree with you..... Talk about ego...

[edit on 22-2-2006 by Muaddib]

Guess we will have to look underneath Saddams desk and behind his couch for them huh?