POLITICS: Rice Offers No Apology for Airstrike

"... Just remember that even though it sounds cool macho and proactive you can't fight fire with fire."

REPLY: Why not? .... it's worked before many times. Would you please tell me where in all of history that peace was won through negotiation and appeasement?

".... The seeds of our cold war arrogance brought forth the bitter fruit of 9/11, the seeds of our current arrrogance will bring forth a crop flame and blood that defies comprehension."

REPLY: Ah yes... the cold war which freed now many millions of people? 95% of the current wars and unrest the world over is caused by radical muslims, and it started, as mentioned, around 500 A.D. Sooooo.... 9-11 was plotted way back then?

Pakistan: Terrorists Killed in U.S. Strike

At least four foreign terrorists died in the purported U.S. airstrike aimed at al-Qaida's No. 2 leader in a Pakistani border village, the provincial government said Tuesday.

A statement, issued by the administration of Pakistan's semiautonomous tribal regions bordering Afghanistan, also said that between 10 and 12 foreign extremists had been invited to the dinner at the village hit in Friday's attack.

It was the first official confirmation by Pakistani authorities that foreign militants were killed in the attack on the village of Damadola. Women and children also died, triggering outrage in this Islamic nation.

I can not understand in this disdussion, why civilians are considered innocent when they have high-ranking members of El-Qaeda over for dinner?

The only innocents killed by the U.S. aristrike are the children, used as human shields by their own family.


[edit on 17-1-2006 by Riwka]

Originally posted by marg6043
Well it actually make sense if the true intentions is to
decimate an entire race.

That's just more drama Marg. The FACT is that 17 people died.
They were terrorists and those knowingly harboring terrorists.
Terrorists that have declared war on US. On YOU, Marg.
17 people, Marg. 17. That does not encompass an entire
race of people. Not even close.

If we wanted to wipe out an entire race of people we would
have left the Kuwait in Saddam's hands instead of liberating
it 15 years ago. If we wanted to wipe out an entire race of
people we wouldn't have liberated the Iraqis, we would have
left Saddam in charge because he was literally genociding his
own people.

So if they are the bad people and guilty of harboring terrorist in their homes, that is enough to make them targets of the war on terror.

Yes. Of course it is.

Originally posted by zappafan1
you can't fight fire with fire.

Tell that to the Emperor of Japan, and to Hitler, and to Stalin.

Oh wait .. we beat them using BIGGER fire power on theirs.
Yes .. you can fight fire with fire, as long as your fire is bigger
you will win.

Originally posted by Riwka

between 10 and 12 foreign extremists had been invited to the dinner at the village hit in Friday's attack.

I can not understand in this disdussion, why civilians are considered innocent when they have high-ranking members of El-Qaeda over for dinner?

Riwka .. excellent point. THAT is exactly what we have been saying.
They invited those people over KNOWING who and what they were.
They put themselves at risk. They put others at risk. It's their fault
they got bombed. No one else's.

Also - 17 people died. 12 were foreign fighters/terrorists.
That leaves 5 people in the building who were locals who
were in cahoots with the terrorists.

NO ROOM for innocent people ... Doesn't look like any
innocent people died. Remember - if there had been
innocent children in the building, the local terrorist abetters
would have paraded their bodies for the media to see.
There were no bodies of children .. therefore they weren't
there. All 17 were terrorists and abetters.

Dr. Rice didn't apologize because there was nothing to
apologize for. Looks like you just closed the case Riwka.
I'd give you some applause, but I'm all tapped out.

Well flyers the problem is that actually 18 died, so far 4 were terrorist so from the 10 to 12 is unconfirmed that they die also and that they were terrorist or civilians.

But is OK, they deserve to die because after all they were harboring al-qaida so they all terrorist.

How convenient, even if children and women were among them they were all terrorist.

So if every muslin in the middle east harbor what US tag as terrorist, then US have the right to kill every single of them.

After all we are fighting terror, so Americans can sleep safe at night.

This will make sense for people that have not conscience.

Who is the terrorist and who is the liberator.

When a foreigners comes to American they are Terrorist if they kill Americans.

But when Americans go into another country and kill people, they are targeting terrorist and those that harbor then.

Very nice actually if you don't want to feel guilty.


[edit on 17-1-2006 by marg6043]

Originally posted by marg6043
Well flyers the problem is that actually 18 died, so far 4 were terrorist so from the 10 to 12 is unconfirmed that they die also and that they were terrorist or civilians.

But is OK, they deserve to die because after all they were harboring al-qaida so they all terrorist.

How convenient, even if children and women were among them they were all terrorist.

So if every muslin in the middle east harbor what US tag as terrorist, then US have the right to kill every single of them.

After all we are fighting terror, so Americans can sleep safe at night.

This will make sense for people that have not conscience.

Maybe if those pro tribes invite the terrorists they shouldnt keep the women and children with them since they know they be harboring people that would attract American missiles. We have seen videos of even terrorists taking their wives and children with them. Thats a big deterrence against American bombs.

How rational is it to bomb the second to Osama Bin Laden than rather capture and interogate him; or is that strictly reserved for arbitrary members of society thrown in Gitmo in hopes of finding this man.....

Pathetic. Only an idiot could realize how irational this is.

Luxifero

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by zappafan1
you can't fight fire with fire.

Tell that to the Emperor of Japan, and to Hitler, and to Stalin.

Oh wait .. we beat them using BIGGER fire power on theirs.
Yes .. you can fight fire with fire, as long as your fire is bigger
you will win.

REPLY: That's the general idea of how it works..... ask Hitler and Stalin.

The problem is Deltaboy the indifference of our government and many pro war supporters as to the live of others as long as they are not Americans.

That is very troublesome.

Also I am very interested to find out of how much control the leader of Pakistan has given to American government to target civilian villages in it's country lands even if they are harboring terrorist.

Also how much is the Pakistani government willing to lose as the population in his country becomes more anti-American.

Obviously this will make the Whistler blowers more adamant to spill the beans because after all the people has been targeted by foreign forces anyway even if is in the lawless borders.

Then it brings the fact that perhaps terrorist are safer in the main cities around Pakistan because US will never dare to target them there.

What all this create is more support for terrorist and more willingness to keep them safe among the population.

Originally posted by marg6043
they deserve to die because after all they were
harboring al-qaida so they all terrorist.

That is correct. At least 12 were terrorists. The other
five or six invited those terrorists, knowing who they
were and what they were. They made themselves targets
and they knew that.

even if children and women were among
them they were all terrorist.

Already discussed. There were no bodies of women or
children. None. Why do you keep bringing this up?
It's a none issue. There weren't any.

So if every muslin in the middle east ...

You are projecting. The discussion is about this bomb strike
and Dr. Rice not apologizing. And frankly every Muslim in the
Middle East DOES NOT support terror. Al Zawahiri's relatives
disowned him and put an ad in the paper in Jordan saying
so - that they disowned him 'until doomsday'. UBL's relatives
did the same. None of them believe in the terrorism these
nutjob egomaniacs profess. The world knows this.

After all we are fighting terror, so Americans can
sleep safe at night.

Correct. So YOU can sleep safe too.

This will make sense for people that have not conscience.

No. This makes sense for those people who want to be safe
and who want their children to be safe. The enemy declared
war on us. THEY attacked us. THEY declared against us.
We have a right to defend ourselves. We have an obligation
to defend our children.

Marg - you don't seem to understand. If we wanted to wipe out
an entire race of people - for one thing we couldn't do it and for
another thing if we wanted to try, all we would do is take out
our nukes and DO IT. Killing 15 or 17 at a time is piddly stuff.

Originally posted by marg6043
the leader of Pakistan has given to American government
to target civilian villages

We didn't target civilians. We targeted .. and killed ..
terrorists and abetters. You keep saying 'civilians'
Find me a civilian body.

this create is more support for terrorist

That lawless tribal land in Pakistan already gives massive
support and cover to terrorists. It's impossible for us to
create any more support for them.

Flyersfan,

This sort of deontological substance you provide is umerited and unsubtantiated. It's been made clear that we see dialectical reports regarding this issue, and it's become quiet apparant that a 'several' days of scouting is not justifiable enough to attack a suspect target. What needed to have occured was a thorough investigation of facts, witnesses; and lastly, the realiziation that this man captured would have eventually decided as to how American would go about capturing Osam Bin Laden.

What this issue proves is the inconsiderate and irrationality of this administration and thier true care for the global war on terrorism. There was no reason to bomb this target, and unless you can give me a good reason as to why Al Zawhari is better dead than alive, maybe i'll listen to you.

Luxifero

First of all I don't see anything around that is bringing the fact that they were all terrorist.

And also I don't see any pictures of the bodies either even when they were taken for DNA not even the Pakistani government can tell who took the bodies.

Very convenient. I don't buy into the story at all.

There have been conflicting accounts from Pakistani officials and witnesses over who, if anyone, claimed bodies from the scene of the missile strike, which destroyed three houses.

Damadola residents say all the victims were local residents and that they buried them all. One Pakistani official told The Associated Press on Saturday that bodies had been taken away for DNA tests, although it was not clear by whom.

No bodies not stories to tell, do I smell and ops in there to cover up.

This is from the same link and Riwa

We didn't target civilians. We targeted .. and killed ..
terrorists and abetters. You keep saying 'civilians'
Find me a civilian body.

Go and find me a terrorist body. There are numerous lawless tribal members that have stated that many of those that are deceased were indeed civilians bar any terrorists; mind you a healthy protest of 5000 lawless tribal members accusing the American goverment of engaging in a lawless act.

You're starting to sound like horrible and redundant neo-conservative news speel. Repeating dogmatisms over and over again in hopes that eventually it will be embedded into the minds of the veiwer as postulate.

Luxifero

Marg - you don't seem to understand. If we wanted to wipe out
an entire race of people - for one thing we couldn't do it and for
another thing if we wanted to try, all we would do is take out
our nukes and DO IT. Killing 15 or 17 at a time is piddly stuff.

So you propose that we kill a couple of dozen till we are done with them all? Good purpose..

Luxifero

spliff4020: What's this all about?

I think there is a large segment of this society that are Toby Keith lovin, flag wavin, ignorant rednecks who shroud themselves under the flag. If you dare speak up against war, they call you an American-hater.

What if someone referred to you as a mealy-mouthed, chicken-chested, pencil-necked, flag burning, sissified, terrorist-loving girly-man who squats to pee?

Is this how you react when your reasoning is too weak to make a point?

Knock it off with the personal attacks.

Originally posted by Luxifero
This sort of deontological substance you provide is
umerited and unsubtantiated.

That's your opinion. You are welcome to it... even though it's wrong.

'several' days of scouting is not justifiable enough to attack a suspect target.

Wrong again. Better minds than yours say it's 'enough'. The bomb
killed 17 bad guys. It got the job done, and done well.

There was no reason to bomb this target,

Better minds than yours, minds with ALL the facts, said otherwise
and they were correct. 17 dead bad guys is definately a reason
to bomb that target.

maybe i'll listen to you.

I don't care if you listen to me or not.

History shows that the really bad guys are better dead than alive.
Saddams sons are dead. All the wonderful things that came along
with their deaths are the same wonderful things that will come
along with Zawahiri's death. Look at the history of these things.
ALL military history shows that when the leaders are crushed and/or
killed, the troops waiver and fail. This is no different.

Flyers can we get a link from the sources you have?

Because is getting contradicting with what the news are telling as now.

Originally posted by marg6043
First of all I don't see anything around that is bringing the
fact that they were all terrorist.

Do the math Marg - 17 dead people.

- At least 4 of them were confirmed terrorists.
- 10-12 of them were foreign extremist fighters (terrorists)

That just leaves one, two, or three people. Those were the
ones that invited the terrorists to begin with. Invited them
knowing who and what they were.

ALL guilty. No innocent people.