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POLITICS: Rice Offers No Apology for Airstrike

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posted on Jan, 17 2006 @ 12:03 PM
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Ah, the spin has begun. Thomas, are you saying that it's OK to kill innocents if they just happen to know suspected terrorists? Guilty by association?




posted on Jan, 17 2006 @ 12:04 PM
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So four terrorist were killed. Right?

So how do you call this,




Women and children also died, triggering outrage in this Islamic nation.


Oh, I got it, we got four terrorist, so they are "casualties" right.

What a justification for going like terrorist into another country and attack a village.

But that is OK four terrorist were killed.

Hurraaaaa, America won.

four killed and now a whole nation ouraged, but is ok Pakistan is our friend.



[edit on 17-1-2006 by marg6043]



posted on Jan, 17 2006 @ 12:05 PM
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Marg said


we have been dealing with terrorist for a long time,
but many don't even know what start it all.


Sure. 'Kill all infidels'. There ya' go. That started it all.
Blame the radical followers of the Quran.

In Saddams case, blame his ego, his hunger for power,
his wanton life style needing to be fed, and his lust for money.

In Arafat's case too. In his case you can throw in an unending
supply of young boys to rape.

Same with the 'muslim' war lords in Africa. They put out the
'kill all infidels' banner when it suits them to get people to
do their dirty work for them so they can have the power,
the money, the 'rewards' of their disgusting lifestyles.



posted on Jan, 17 2006 @ 12:08 PM
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So Flyers you believe in the anhilation of an entire race because of religious believes. Right?

Infidels?

Hum isn't that how the crusaders used to call the moors during the crusades.?



posted on Jan, 17 2006 @ 12:09 PM
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No, no, FF, that isn't at all true. The other side is totally right, we are the ones who are totally mistaken.
These small villages who know everyone in their community, who live, love and celebrate as a community, were totally stunned to find out that these strangers have been amonmg them!


Ok, forgive me for trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.



posted on Jan, 17 2006 @ 12:11 PM
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Marg said

So four terrorist were killed. Right?


At this point the TV news is reporting that 17 people died.
At least four of them were known terrorists. The bodies
of others have been taken by locals so DNA can't be
collected. We have to track them down to see what was
done with the bodies so we can get the DNA samples.

(We have the DNA of Zawahiri's brother from Egypt.
We also have UBL's family DNA. Both can have matches
made to them from this. )

So that leaves us 13 people to be identified. It isn't known
if any of them were known terrorists or not. It is highly
probable that they were. It was a muslim holiday gathering
and usually adult terrorists don't sit down with kids to have
a chat. Adults hang with adults and kids with kids. It isn't
known IF any children were among them. However, it is
very safe to say that the adults in the gathering knew
EXACTLY who they invited to be in the building with them.

Statistically the probably is that most, if not all, of the 17
dead were terrorists and those who invited the terrorists
to party with them.



posted on Jan, 17 2006 @ 12:14 PM
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You know I though that going into another country an attacking the country is an act of war.

That is why US went into Afghanistan and attack Afghanistan because they attacked us first. Right?

So Pakistan depending how much it wants to keep Bush happy will condemn but will not retaliated. Right.

Pakistan loves its nuclear capabilities to much to lost them to the Bush wrath.

I guess since Bush became a president the rules of the game are now Bush rules.



posted on Jan, 17 2006 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
So Flyers you believe in the anhilation of an entire
race because of religious believes. Right?


Marg, Marg, Marg. You've got it backwards.

THEY are the ones who wish to wipe out everyone who
doesn't believe exactly like they do. THEY are the ones
who wish to wipe out everyone who doesn't worship
God (allah) exactly as they do.

BTW ... it was 17 terrorists and terrorist abetters who
were waging war on America who died. NOT an entire
race of people. 17. 17 who most of them declared
war on US, thus making themselves military targets.



posted on Jan, 17 2006 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
I though that going into another country
an attacking the country is an act of war.


That's exactly what the terrorists have done .. they have
attacked us time and time and time again. They have declared
war on us. They have redeclared it over and over.

THEY started the war. WE get to defend ourselves.
This is self defense.



posted on Jan, 17 2006 @ 12:18 PM
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So I guess is OK to kill children in another country because the families harbor terrorist.

So how should we call When Bush hold hands with the Saudi prince in American while the family members finance terrorist, with "Donations"


Oh, is a difference thing, they are our friends.



posted on Jan, 17 2006 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
These small villages who know everyone in their community,
who live, love and celebrate as a community....


Hey TC. Flower children all around, eh?
Just a
simple lifestyle, living close to Allah and close to nature.
Everyone respecting each other .. live and let live ....
Spending what little money they have on farming food
and education ... certainly NOT on illegal poppy farming
and terrorist weaponry and training to kill. Ah yes ..
I can see the women of the community now, living
freely and teaching their daughters to read and do math.

Oh gawd ..
I'm going to fall out of my chair
!!!



posted on Jan, 17 2006 @ 12:31 PM
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I have to give it to the Bush administration, it sure knows how to make friends and keep them.

Pakistan is our friends and they will gladly let US kill their people in the name of war on terror.




ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) - The pre-dawn airstrike purportedly aimed at Osama bin Laden's deputy has strained ties with a key U.S. ally in the war on terror and could provoke more anti-American fanaticism in Pakistan, analysts said Monday.



Great job Bush we are winning


No to worry when Pakistan gets their next natural disaster US will be there to help the people.

Sorry if later US has to bomb the heck out of them onces they are healthy enough.

www.federalnewsradio.com...



[edit on 17-1-2006 by marg6043]



posted on Jan, 17 2006 @ 12:32 PM
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Marg said


I guess is OK to kill children in another country
because the families harbor terrorist.


1 - No one knows if any children were among the 17 dead.
If there were, the locals would have paraded them around
to make sure the news caught wind of it. They didn't. So
there probably weren't.

2 - IF children die in a bomb blast it is sad and tragic but it
is the fault of the PARENTS who put their children at risk
and use them as shields so as to further carry on their
murder and terrorism. Put the blame where it belongs -
on the parents who invite terrorism into their homes.


So how should we call When Bush hold hands
with the Saudi prince in American while the family members
finance terrorist, with "Donations"


Good point.

Call it what it is ... pathetically disgusting. Call it what it is ...
politics with a regime that is in cahoots with terrorists.

G.W. HAS to engage in politics with nations. He HAS to
talk with them. It's his job to do so. Engaging in political
discussion with a world leader is not the same as abetting
murdering terrorists.

It irks me ... but it's not the same.

BTW ... If G.W. is such a good friend of the Saudi's and
they are financing Wahabbi terrorists (which they are),
then you'd think the Wahabbi's would want to keep
the Saudi royals and G.W. around instead of all this
anti-Bush stuff coming out of the Wahabbis and the
rest of the terrorists.



posted on Jan, 17 2006 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Sorry if later US has to bomb the heck out of them
onces they are healthy enough.


17 terrorists and abetters Marg. 17. 17. 17.

That's not 'bombing the heck' out of Pakistan.
AND the terrorists declared war on US, remember?



posted on Jan, 17 2006 @ 12:37 PM
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Its like everything in the world of politics and corruption.

Wars are a way to make profits, so the war on terror does make hefty profits for the war profiteers.

Nobody complains about the horrors of the Saudi royal house and their links to terror or how the people in Saudi arabia feels about their leaders.

They are our friends.



posted on Jan, 17 2006 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
the war on terror does make hefty profits for the war profiteers.


The war on terror will help us to be safer and to help
ensure that another 9/11 doesn't happen, or worse.

Who exactly are the war profiteers? Those who make military
items? Defense companies? Have you seen Boeing's bottom line?
Know how many they are laying off, and have layed off since the
start of the war on terror?

The companies that might make money are those who are set
to rebuild in Iraq. But of course the radical left complains that
we aren't really rebuilding ... so I guess those folks aren't making
any money either.



Nobody complains about the horrors of the Saudi royal house and their links to terror or how the people in Saudi arabia feels about their leaders.


Oh yes we do. That's just not the subject of this thread.
THis is about Dr. Rice and her not apologizing to Pakistan
for the bombing that killed 17 people.

If you'd like to start a thread about the evils of the Saudi Royals
go ahead. I'd join my voice to thrash them.

My opinion - The Saudi Royals won't be around much longer.
They are 'walking dead'. Their own people will revolt
and take over the country. That's my OPINION.



posted on Jan, 17 2006 @ 12:51 PM
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NO flyers is not the topic of this thread, attacking villages in the name of war on terror and making civilian targets in the name of getting the some al-qaida members is.

US claim to be Christian nation but, oh, boy how many loves when US goes into other countries and kills people. I guess it makes it easier for many to be able to sleep at night, US is safe.

Four terrorist are death.

Musharraf to address nation amid storm over airstrike
Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:46 AM ET

Let see what the Pakistani leader has to said when the protest in his country against US attack are still ongoing with not signs of dying down.



posted on Jan, 17 2006 @ 01:46 PM
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It's really sad the blinders people have on....

I was going to put a point by point breakdown of the logical falacies held by the apologists here put I realized it wasnt worth my time and effort its not like I'd actually change anyones minds. Just remember that even though it sounds cool macho and proactive you can't fight fire with fire.

Well in the end we all get what we deserve, I for one won't be surprised when the chickens come home to roost and this situation does spiral out of control due to our innate arrogance. The seeds of our cold war arrogance brought forth the bitter fruit of 9/11, the seeds of our current arrrogance will bring forth a crop flame and blood that defies comprehension.



posted on Jan, 17 2006 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by boogyman
It's really sad the blinders people have on....

The seeds of our cold war arrogance brought forth the bitter fruit of 9/11, the seeds of our current arrogance will bring forth a crop flame and blood that defies comprehension.


Well it actually make sense if the true intentions is to decimate an entire race.

By definition the infidels alias muslin that practice Islamic law are actually what makes for about the entire population of the middle east.

So if they are the bad people and guilty of harboring terrorist in their homes, that is enough to make them targets of the war on terror.

But is one catch who is who? Who is the terrorist and who is the liberator.



posted on Jan, 17 2006 @ 02:20 PM
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"..... While I have no intel papers sitting in front of me, I can review off the top of my head. Lets see, first we went to Afghanistan, to find Osama. That went well. We've got a prison full of "terrorists" that we "interorgate" intensly and yet we get nothing."

REPLY: Not true... we've gotten some very good information from the people in detention. No-one said finding OBL would be easy; if you've ever been in that country youm would know that. However, most all of OBL's higher-up have been captured or killed. That's a good thing.

The inference you make as to interogation..... "torture" does not include putting womens panties on someone's head, or having them pose in something akin to "naked twister".

".... So then its off to Iraq, because suddenly Saddam became a threat."

REPLY: Suddenly? ..... have you been sleeping for the last 15 years, Mr. Winkle?

".... You know, all WMDs. Remember Powell on TV with that little vial of anthrax? Where is it now? Wheres the stockpiles that our "intel" had assured us was there waiting for us?"

REPLY: Although covered in another thread, you mean the WMD's that satellite videos show were most likely moved to Syria? The WMD's that EVERY world intelligence agencies said were there? Were they all wrong? Doubtfull.
No... do the research... it was yellowcake, not anthrax.

".... Oh nevermind, just make it about bringing "freedom to the Iraqis" right? Hell, we can't even find Zarqawi, and he was pretty much surrounded. We "punk'd" Iraq, plain and simple."

REPLY: Ask the 12 million+ if they think freedom from tyranny isn't important.
Link, please, as to Zarqawi being surrounded?

".... This is an instant information society. If your gonna drop bombs, you better be sure your hitting what your aiming for."

REPLY: The photos were set up. The remains of the "missile" is an artillary shell casing... there's nothing left of a missile when it blows up. And we wouldn't have dropped a bomb in any case, in this type of strike. So, who used a bomb is still something to be discovered.

"....We can read license plates from space. If there was a change in plans, then that intel that was watching so closley should have picked it up."

REPLY: Those satellites, like the ones showing convoys of military trucks leaving Iraq (see above), can't hear voice communication, so changed plans wouldn't be picked up; kind of like having a dinner reservation and not showing up... who would know until you didn't show? Only the restaurant, and after the no-show.

"....Maybe a huge segment of the islamic society hates us, because of our indiffernce."

REPLY: Do the research... Islam hates all infidels, and it goes back to about 500 A.D.



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