Originally posted by pavil
Given the latest outburst from the Iranian President I really have to wonder about the denial of the Arab world in regards to the existance of Jews
in the Middle East.
I know the history of "we were here first, no WE were here first", I just don't get the implication that many Arab leaders seem to give that the
Jewish people never had a nationstate there. The historical evidence is just too great to deny that the Kingdom of Israel at one time existed in the
general region of where the Current state of Israel is currently.
Why is this historical fact seemingly glossed over by the Arab world? I know the Modern day feelings on both sides inflame things but I just have
never "gotten" the denial of most of the Arab world when it comes to Jews having a history/place in the Middle East. I'm sure I am beating a dead
and already pulverized horse but I would like to hear a rational answer for the this.
We didn't deny The state of Jews at all But we did deny the state of Israel and there is a big difference.
When we gave Jews as Jews the chance to have part of Palestine as in Share some of the land , All we got in return is what you see now. They named
Palestine Israel .Killed its history and People.
Second: Israel doesn't belong there. Israel is a matter of of Name - For example: What Americans did to Native Americans -using the same mentality.
Changing The real history of Indians and Named It AMERICA.
And this is what a white folk said:
From A History of New York, 1809
Let us suppose, then, that the inhabitants of the moon, by astonishing advancement in science, and by profound insight into that lunar philosophy, the
mere flickerings of which have of late years dazzled the feeble optics, and addled the shallow brains of the good people of our globe-let us suppose,
I say, that the inhabitants of the moon, by these means, had arrived at such a command of their energies, such an enviable state of perfectibility, as
to control the elements, and navigate the boundless regions of space. Let us suppose a roving crew of these soaring philosophers, in the course of an
aerial voyage of discovery among the stars, should chance to alight upon this outlandish planet.
And here I beg my readers will not have the uncharitableness to smile, as is too frequently the fault of volatile readers when perusing the grave
speculations of philosophers. I am far from indulging in any sportive vein at present; nor is the supposition I have been making so wild as many may
deem it. It has long been a very serious and anxious question with me, and many a time and oft, in the course of my overwhelming cares and
contrivances for the welfare and protection of this my native planet, have I lain awake whole nights debating in my mind, whether it were most
probable we should first discover and civilize the moon, or the moon discover and civilize our globe. Neither would the prodigy of sailing in the air
and cruising among the stars be a whit more astonishing and incomprehensible to us than was the European mystery of navigating floating castles,
through the world of waters, to the simple natives. We have already discovered the art of coasting along the aerial shores of our planet, by means of
balloons, as the savages had of venturing along their sea-coasts in canoes; and the disparity between the former, and the aerial vehicles of the
philosophers from the moon, might not be greater than that between the bark canoes of the savages, and the mighty ships of their discoverers. I might
here pursue an endless chain of similar speculations; but as they would be unimportant to my subject, I abandon them to my reader, particularly if he
be a philosopher, as matters well worthy of his attentive consideration.
To return then to my suppositionlet us suppose that the aerial visitants I have mentioned, possessed of vastly superior knowledge to ourselves; that
is to say, possessed of superior knowledge in the art of extermination riding on hyppogriffs-defended with impenetrable armor--armed with
concentrated sunbeams, and provided with vast engines, to hurl enormous moon-stones: in short, let us suppose them, if our vanity will permit the
supposition, as superior to us in knowledge, and consequently in power, as the Europeans were to the Indians, when they first discovered them. All
this is very possible; it is only our self-sufficiency that makes us think otherwise; and I warrant the poor savages, before they had any knowledge of
the white men, armed in all the terrors of glittering steel and tremendous gunpowder, were as perfectly convinced that they themselves were the
wisest, the most virtuous, powerful, and perfect of created beings as are, at this present moment, the lordly inhabitants of old England, the volatile
populace of France, or even the self-satisfied citizens of this most enlightened republic.
Let us suppose, moreover, that the aerial voyagers, finding this planet to be nothing but a howling wilderness, inhabited by us poor savages and wild
beasts, shall take formal possession of it, in the name of his most gracious and philosophic excellency, the man in the moon. Finding, however, that
their numbers are incompetent to hold it in complete subjection, on account of the ferocious barbarity of its inhabitants, they shall take our worthy
President, the King of England, the Emperor of Hayti, the mighty Bonaparte, and the Great King of Bantam, and returning to their native planet, shall
carry them to court, as were the Indian chiefs led about as spectacles in the courts of Europe.
Then, making such obeisance as the etiquette of the court requires, they shall address the puissant man in the moon, in, as near as I can conjecture,
the following terms:
"Most serene and mighty Potentate, whose dominions extend as far as eye can reach, who rideth on the Great Bear, useth the sun as a looking glass,
and maintaineth unrivaled control over tides, madmen, and sea-crabs We thy liege subjects have just returned from a voyage of discovery, in the course
of which we have landed and taken possession of that obscure little dirty planet, which thou beholdest rolling at a distance. The five uncouth
monsters, which we have brought into this august presence, were once very important chiefs among their fellow savages, who are a race of beings
totally destitute of the common attributes of humanity; and differing in every thing from the inhabitants of the moon, inasmuch as they carry their
heads upon their shoulders, instead of under their armshave two eyes instead of oneare utterly destitute of tails, and of a variety of unseemly
complexions, , particularly of horrible whitenessinstead of pea-green.
"We have moreover found these miserable savages sunk into a state of the utmost ignorance and depravity, every man shamelessly living with his own
wife, and rearing his own children, instead of indulging in that community of wives enjoined by the law of nature, as expounded by the philosophers of
the moon. In a word, they have scarcely a gleam of true philosophy among them, but are, in fact, utter heretics, ignoramuses, and barbarians. Taking
compassion, therefore, on the sad condition of these sublunary wretches, we have endeavored, while we remained on their planet, to intro duce among
them the light of reasonand the comforts of the moon. We have treated them to mouthfuls of moonshine, and draughts of nitrous oxide which they
swallowed with incredible voracity, particularly the females; and we have likewise endeavored to instill into them the precepts of lunar philosophy.
We have insisted upon their renouncing the contemptible shackles of religion and common sense, and adoring the profound, omnip otent, and all perfect
energy, and the ecstatic, immutable, immovable perfection. But such was the unparalleled obstinacy of these wretched savages, that they persisted in
cleaving to their wives, and adhering to their religion, and absolutely set at naught the sublime doctrines of the moon nay, among other abominable
heresies, they even went so far as blasphemously I to declare, that this ineffable planet was made of nothing more nor less than green cheese!"
At these words, the great man in the moon (being a very profound philosopher) shall fall into a terrible passion, and possessing equal authority over
things that do not belong to him, as did whilom his holiness the Pope, shall forthwith issue a formidable bull, specifying, "That, whereas a certain
crew of Lunatics have lately discovered, and taken possession of a newly discovered planet called the earth-and that whereas it is inhabited by none
but a race of two-legged animals that carry their heads on their shoulders instead of under their arms; cannot talk the lunatic language; have two
eyes instead of one; are destitute of tails, and of a horrible whiteness, instead of pea-green-therefore, and for a variety of other excellent
reasons, they are considered incapable of possessing any property in the planet they infest, and the right and title to it are confirmed to its
original discoverers.And furthermore, the colonists who are now about to depart to the aforesaid planet are authorized and commanded to use every
means to convert these infidel savages from the darkness of Christianity, and make them thorough and absolute lunatics."
In consequence of this benevolent bull, our philosophic benefactors go to work with hearty zeal. They seize upon our fertile territories, scourge us
from our rightful possessions, relieve us from our wives, and when we are unreasonable enough to complain, they will turn upon us and say, Miserable
barbarians! ungrateful wretches! have we not come thousands of miles to improve your worthless planet; have we not fed you with moonshine; have we not
intoxicated you with nitrous oxides; does not our moon give you light every night, and have you the baseness to murmur, when we claim a pitiful return
for all these benefits? But finding that we not only persist in absolute contempt of their reasoning and disbelief in their philosophy, but even go so
far as daringly to defend our property, their patience shall be exhausted, and they shall resort to their superior powers of argument; hunt us with
hyppogriffs, transfix us with concentrated sunbeams, demolish our cities with moonstones; until having, by main force, converted us to the true faith,
they shall graciously permit us to exist in the torrid deserts of Arabia, or the frozen regions of Lapland, there to enjoy the blessings of
civilization and the charms of lunar philosophy, in much the same manner as the reformed and enlightened savages of this country are kindly suffered
to inhabit the inhospitable forests of the north, or the impenetrable wildernesses of South America.
Thus, I hope, I have clearly proved, and strikingly illustrated, the right of the early colonists to the possession of this country; and thus is this
gigantic question completely vanquished: so having manfully surmounted all obstacles, and subdued all opposition, what remains but that I should
forthwith conduct my readers into the city which we have been so long in a manner besieging? But hold; before I proceed another step, I must pause to
take breath, and recover from the excessive fatigue I have undergone, in preparing to begin this most accurate of histories. And in this I do but
imitate the example of a renowned Dutch tumbler of antiquity, who took a start of three miles for the purpose of jumping over a hill, but having run
himself out of breath by the time he reached the foot, sat himself quietly down for a few moments to blow, and then walked over it at his leisure.
[edit on 10-3-2006 by MsPalestinian08]