Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
If people said he said it (or implied it), then he said it, huh? Just like here where he 'called the troops "terrorists"'... Believe what
you will, Seekerof, but I don't buy it. I'm not just taking your word for it. Besides, I believe my brother. The soldiers killed babies. Are you
implying they didn't?
I am implying two things here:
, that to be labeled maliciously as a "baby killer" implies purposeful intent, Benevolent Heretic. Are you implying that that is
exactly what the US troops in Vietnam were doing: all services, across-the-board blantantly, maliciously, and purposely targeting and killing
Was this also an official or unofficial across-the-board DOD policy? Or was Kerry's mere Freudian slip mention of "baby killers" simply
a vehicle for sensationalism, to be used by the anti-war left just as it was by the pro-war right? I'd also be interested in what your brother had to
say on this, since you have twice brought him onto play.
, I am surely not taking your's or your brother's word on this entirely, either. I will respect what your brother said being we both
have been in combat environments. What I disagree with is the labeling and mentioning of "baby killer," period. I have explained such above. What I
will do is accept the words of a multitude of Vietnam vets from the likes of the Vietnam vets association, etc, and how the interpreted Kerry's
. To them and to me, whether or not a quote can be provided for Kerry directly word-for-word saying such, he
such. Why else would Kerry bring the word "baby killers" up in the first place at the 1971 Senate hearing? Would it not be for
the sake of sheer sensationalism
reasons, being he was part of an anti-war movement? Cause if he brought it up because it was the
, when, perchance, is he going to admit to being a "baby killer," or murderer, or whatever else the Vietnam anti-war movement used to
describe US troops in Vietnam?
And I will hold to what I said. Your accusations of him are sensationalism. If he didn't say it, then it's you who are being sensational, not
him. If he did say that troops killed babies, he was simply telling the ugly truth.
Benevolent Heretic, I provided you a link to a multitude of individuals who have interpreted Kerry's reference to "baby killer." You can call it
sensationalism as you see fit. No skin of my back and definately no skin of the backs of those multitudes of Vietnam vets who likewise interpreted
Kerry's word usage as I have. What is ugly truth is that war is hell and even children die in it. What you, as with others, need to do is find
evidences that those US troops in Vietnam purposely, maliciously, and blantantly
targeted and set out to kill babies. Till you produce such,
the notion of "baby killers" is a misfortune of war.
Don't you think I did that search already? Of course I did. I cannot find one place that John Kerry is quoted as using that term. And even if he
implied that troops killed babies, that's nothing more than the truth!
If you cannot provide a quote, then your accusation does not stand. It's not up to me to track down this 'subjective' (illusory) statement. Sorry.
If you care whether or not I hold you as credible, you'll find the quote and post it here.
You might want to hit that link again, being it was given so as to show perspective and interpretation
, in relation to others who served in
Vietnam and Kerry's mention of "baby killers.". I mentioned this already, and I am definately not here to back up your view. Personally, I can
careless whether you hold me as credible. My position is quite clear.
I do find it humorous that even Sen. Dole asked Kerry to apologize over his implied insinuations from that 1971 Senate Testimony. Maybe he thought
Kerry said or implied the same thing as I did, as those multitudes of Vietnam vets did?
[edit on 8-12-2005 by Seekerof]