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reply posted on 30-11-2003 @ 10:25 PM by omega1
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A key question about the Shadow Government is how does it make decisions and carry them out. Where is the center? Some think it lies in a few major
financial institutions. Others that it lies in the intelligence apparatus. Still others that it has no permanent center, but operates by consensus,
with shifting factions that confer through various mechanisms. Some think that those mechanisms are reflected in public associations such as the
Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the Tri- lateral Commission, the Bilderbergers, the Federal Reserve, the World Bank, or the International Monetary
Fund.<5>
That the key personalities in every major institution should associate and confer through various associations is not in itself a matter of concern,
if all that was involved was the development of a consensus. But there is evidence that a centralized decisionmaking process exists, because too much
is done that could not otherwise occur, and that the process is contemptuous of the Constitution and increasingly willing to violate it. That suggests
a permanent apparatus, a bureaucracy, and that points to the intelligence and financial bureaucracies. Therefore, the real decisions may be made not
by public figures, but by faceless persons operating in secret.
Most available evidence indicates that the center is in the intelligence apparatus, and that it largely controls all the other components of the
system, including the financial. However, it also appears that the control is imperfect, subject to resistance if it tries to go too far.
It also appears that there are some distinct factions involved, the two major contenders being those more highly motivated persons concerned about
meeting the challenges we face, the other being the more corrupt ones trying to expand their power and wealth. The alliance between these factions
appears to be increasingly strained as growing corruption begins to impair the effectiveness of the institutions of society to meet the perceived
challenges.
An analogy might be to a sinking ship, in which some want to build and equip lifeboats and others who want to make sure they are the ones who get to
go in them. Each needs the other, for the time being, but the latter are beginning to threaten the production and seaworthiness of the lifeboats.
What we have is in many ways a classic oligarchy, with multiple components in an uneasy alliance with one another. No one individual is paramount, and
anyone can be replaced if he gets too far out of line, by some combination of the others, each of whom derives his power from the institutions and
assets under his influence.
Of course, the ones who get trampled under this regime are the ordinary people, who receive just enough under the deal to keep them quiet. The Powers
That Be fear above all that the people might rise up and overthrow them, something that the people could still do if they could ever act in concert.
Social control therefore becomes a matter of keeping them placated, divided, and misinformed.
Unfortunately for their scheme, they face the same problem the Roman Empire did. To keep the people placated, they are forced to pay them off, and
meet increasing demands for such payoffs, while growth of the productive sector falters, or even shrinks relative to the population. Economic growth
and the solutions to our social problems are being impaired by the depredations of the corrupt elements of the Shadow Government, who are
concentrating assets in a way and at a rate that threaten the viability of the economy. The Romans solved the problem of keeping their citizens
supplied with bread and circuses by predation of outlying provinces. Modern capitalist nations tried the same thing, but that imperial order is
breaking down, and the only thing left is economic growth. If that growth falters, the welfare state fails, and with it the social stability on which
the Established Order depends.
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reply posted on 1-12-2003 @ 05:39 AM by ADVISOR
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omega1
Very impressive, that will have to go into the thesis or final report. Keep up the awsome job lass!
Here is another link I recieved.
ASG
Has some of the same ole same ole, but does provide some other new and credited, well as credible as they get sources.
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reply posted on 2-12-2003 @ 05:06 PM by omega1
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Good link Advisor
I liked to show everybody this quote from Advisors link:
"... Powerful members of Congress are again pushing legislation that would give the executive branch a new tool to hide its mistakes permanently."

that would be useful.............for all evil intentions
Im sure we can all see where this is leading.
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reply posted on 3-12-2003 @ 07:59 PM by omega1
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A major aim of Shadow Government control has been to bring most of the assets and revenues of the economy under the control of fewer and fewer people.
Part of this is causing the failure of smaller organizations and the absorption of them by a few large chains. This is being done with banks and other
financial institutions, newspapers and magazines, television and radio stations, agriculture and mining producers, distributors and retailers,
computer manufacturers, energy and chemical companies, medical providers, and pharmaceutical companies. Anti-trust enforcement has been weak, used
only in a few sectors, and then only after major concentrations of economic power has already been achieved.

info is from that link i had above
good stuff
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reply posted on 6-12-2003 @ 02:02 PM by ADVISOR
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COG
Research update
Recently found this, read over it, and it is a must have for our sources.
Tassadar, since you are set on the "credibility" of our findings, could you please prioritize this one.
DC Watch
Here are some other rather interesting tid bts I found while yes, again conducting follow ups.
w3.access.gpo.gov...
firstgov.gov
For Tassadar:
Mentions Russian and Chinese, anticipated reactions if SEATO forces intervened in South Vietnam.
ref V-B-4 pp. 313-320
I am not sure if it pertains to the Vietnam aspect you covered, directly anyways...
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reply posted on 7-12-2003 @ 10:51 PM by omega1
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The myth is that World War II ended with the defeat of fascism, but what really happened is that fascism got a grip on those fighting it, and is
becoming increasingly pervasive and powerful. As it grows, it will induce a reaction, the outcome of which will be a final confrontation. We can all
hope that the confrontation will not be a bloody one, and that it will be resolved while we still have time to solve our other pressing problems.
www.constitution.org...
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reply posted on 7-12-2003 @ 10:53 PM by omega1
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These are the sources of that link......
It all seems legit. So If you have the chance, check it out.
<1> See Reed & Cummings, Compromised: Clinton, Bush and the CIA, 1994, Shapolsky Publishers Inc, 136 W 22nd St, New York, NY 10011, 212/633-2022. Also
see Bartlett & Steele, America: What Went Wrong?, 1992, Andrews & McMeel, 4900 Main St, Kansas City, MO 64112; and Walter Karp, Liberty Under Siege,
New York: Franklin Square, 1993.
<2> See Timothy Good, Above Top Secret: The Worldwide UFO Cover-up, New York: W. Morrow, 1988; Alien Contact: Top-Secret UFO Files Revealed, New York:
W. Morrow, 1993.
<3> For a fairly comprehensive treatment of such views, see Albert Gore, Jr., Earth in the Balance, New York: Houghton-Mifflin, 1992. Also see Paul
Ehrlich, Population/ Resources/ Environment, San Francisco: Freeman, 1972.
<4> For one treatment of American history that goes into this, see Clarence B. Carson, Basic American Government, 1993, American Textbook Committee,
Route 1, Box 13, Wadley, AL 36276.
<5> There is abundant literature on this theme, most of it lacking hard evidence. An example is Gary H. Kah, Enroute to Global Occupation, 1992,
Huntington House Publishers, POB 53788, Lafayette, LA 70505.
<6> One author has identified such public authorities as the Shadow Government, but it seems more likely that they are just a part of it. See Donald
Axelrod, Shadow Government: the hidden world of public authorities and how they control $1 trillion dollars of your money, New York: Wiley, 1992.
<7> For a couple of sanitized depictions of this agency, see Loch K. Johnson, America's Secret Power: the CIA in a democratic society, New York:
Oxford, 1989; Rhodri Jeffreys-Jones, The CIA and American Democracy, New Haven: Yale, 1989.
<8> This is discussed in a paper by Martin Cannon, The Controllers: A New Hypothesis of Alien Abductions, 1990, 8211 Owensmouth Av #206, Canoga Park,
CA 91304. $6.00.
<9> This is documented in Collier & Collier, Votescam: the Stealing of America, 1992, Victoria House Press, 67 Wall St #2411, New York, NY 10005.
$10.00.
<10> One discussion of this is William R. Tonso, The Gun Culture and its Enemies, 1990, Second Amendment Foundation, James Madison Building, 12500
N.E. Tenth Place, Bellevue, WA 98005.
<11> This is documented in a paper by Julianne McKinney, Microwave Harassment & Mind- Control Experimentation, Electronic Surveillance Project,
Association of National Security Alumni, PO Box 13625, Silver Spring, MD 20911-3625, 301/608-0143. $5.00.
<12> For a general discussion of this, see Morgan Norval, The Militia in 20th Century America: A Symposium, 1985, Gun Owners Foundation, 5881 Leesburg
Pike, Falls Church, VA 22041. Also see Stephen P. Halbrook, That Every Man Be Armed, 1984, Independent Institute, 134 98th Av, Oakland, CA 94603.
<13> For a comprehensive treatment of constitutional history and law, see Bernard Schwartz, The Roots of the Bill of Rights, New York: Chelsea House,
1980.
<14> The ways this might occur are discussed in Joseph A. Taintes, The Collapse of Complex Societies, New York: Cambridge, 1988.
<15> For some views on needed reforms, see Martin Gross, A Call for Revolution, New York: Ballantine, 1993.
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reply posted on 15-12-2003 @ 09:07 AM by infinite
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THE ILLUMINATI AND THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS
The question of how and why the United Nations is the crux of the great conspiracy to destroy the sovereignty of the United States and the enslavement
of the American people within a U.N. one-world dictatorship is a complete and unknown mystery to the vast majority of the American people. The reason
for this unawareness of the frightening danger to our country and to the entire free world is simple. The masterminds behind this great conspiracy
have absolute control of all of our mass communications media, especially television, the radio, the press, and Hollywood. We all know that our State
Department, the Pentagon, and the White House have brazenly proclaimed that they have the right and the power to manage the news, to tell us not the
truth but what they want us to believe. They have seized that power on orders from their masters of the great conspiracy and the objective is to
brainwash the people into accepting the phony peace bait to transform the United States into an enslaved unit of the United Nations' one-world
government.
"First of all, bear in mind that the so-called U.N. police action in Korea, fought by the United States in which 150,000 of our sons were murdered
and maimed, was part of the plot; just as the undeclared by Congress war in Vietnam in which our sons are dying is part of the plot; just as the plot
against Rhodesia and South Africa in which our sons will be dying is part of the U.N. plot. However, the vitally important thing for all Americans,
all you mothers of the boys who died in Korea and are now dying in Vietnam, to know is that our so-called leaders in Washington, who we elected to
safeguard our nation and our constitution, are the betrayers and that behind them are a comparatively small group of men whose sole objective is to
enslave the whole world of humanity in their satanic plot of one-world government.
"Now in order to give you a very clear picture of this satanic plot, I will go back to its beginning, clear back in the middle of the 18th century
and name the men who put that plot into action and then bring you down to the present - today's status of that plot. Now as a matter of further
intelligence, a term used by the FBI, let me clarify the meaning of the expression "he is a liberal." The enemy, meaning the one-world conspirators,
have seized upon that word "liberal" as a cover-up for their activities. It sounds so innocent and so humanitarian to be liberal. Well, make sure
that the person who calls himself a liberal or is described as a liberal is not in truth a "red."
isuisse.ifrance.com...
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reply posted on 15-12-2003 @ 10:39 AM by mikromarius
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Changing of the guards, fall of the Dragon
The prince of Persia (type of the UN) and the prince of Javan (type of Democracy) are the two main tools of Satan. The prince of Babylon (type of the
Vatican) is Satan/Ba'al/Draco. The Zodiak is the Name of the Beast. Now, read Daniel and Revelation using this key.
Gabriel (Angel of Death, guardian of the Covenant and prince of Egypt and the tribe of Joseph, messenger of the prophets and gatekeeper of Paradise,
type of the victorious Millennium King) and Michael (Angel of God, high priest of Heaven, type of Messiah Jezjuah, prince of Israel and the tribe of
Judah) fight these in the endtime. Gabriel and Michael are the two Kerubim on the Ark of Covenant. Keepers of Justice and guardians of Time and Life.
God who is the Father and Love, is proclaimed through them. Victory for Israel and Jezjuah (YHWH), the Nations and Rightious (Elohim).
Blessings,
Mikromarius
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reply posted on 15-12-2003 @ 06:29 PM by ADVISOR
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Very deep...
I was just going over some of Clintons actions as president. Happened to renotice the timeing of many signings and actons he took as Commander in
Chief.
I cannot and do not vouch to the credibilitly of the source I will present next, that is Tassadars call.
This first link is long and very detailed,
the SOHO connection
Recently there has been some controversy over a series of executive orders issued by President Bill Clinton. If you are not familiar with EO's, they
are directives from the President to administer the agencies that fall under the executive branch. These are not subject to approval by congress, and
automatically become law. The controversy arose over the language of EO13083, signed quietly by Clinton when he was in Birmingham, England last May
14th for the G-8 summit. The order concerns federalism and states rights, and Clintons version revokes a previous order by President Reagan. What is
so chilling about Clinton's version is that it removes or overrides Reagan's language that protects states from regulations imposed by federal
agencies without the approval of congress. It also cedes all power not specifically listed in the constitution to the federal government, a direct
contradiction of the constitution which places such unspecified powers in the hands of the states. Responding to the controversy, congress passed a
resolution asking President Clinton to revoke the order. Instead, he suspended the order on August 5th, 1998 for 90 days. This means it becomes law
(unless congress challenges it) on November 6th,
This next link goes along with the post above.
The New Clinton Administration
Again credibility of site is left to readers discretion.
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reply posted on 15-12-2003 @ 09:38 PM by ADVISOR
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"This report is a blueprint for reorganizing the U.S. national security structure..."
Third sentence, second paragraph of forward to "The Phase III Report of U.S. Commission on National Security/21st Century"
www.nssg.gov...
This is a l o n g read, that only begins to get good at the "Executive summary"(At least for me). Where it begins talk of an "... independant
National Homeland Security Agency (NHSA) ..."
Independant, by nature means self dependant. May draw closer scrutiny, which is why I dig deeper...
Reading much of this long report, I concluded this is not only a "blueprint" for reorganizing U.S. security, but an example of how most if not all
"independant" "Agencies"
may conduct themselves.
To wonder where I am going with this, I need only remind thoseof you how the CIA has "self financed" itself by "independant" means.
Undated and unclassified
The US Intelligence Community is composed of fiercely independent agencies, each with strong traditions, authorities, and loyalties. They define the
world from individual perches, with little time and less incentive to consider grand problems or grand solutions. In many quarters, this has resulted
in a call for their dissolution—in effect, advocating starting over with a clean sheet of paper. Beside the obvious point that there is no guarantee
that this would work, such an attempt would be so bureaucratically and politically stressful that the result could be a larger disaster than the one
we are trying to avoid.
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reply posted on 18-12-2003 @ 04:09 AM by ADVISOR
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COG update
BUSH PUTS SHADOW GOVERNMENT IN FRAMEWORK OF "CONTINUITY OF GOVERNMENT"
In response to a question about whether one reason why the shadow government was authorized was that there was a threat of a nuclear attack by al
Qaeda, Bush said, "There is — we take every threat seriously. And until this country has routed out terrorists wherever they try to hide, we're not
safe.
"Now, we're doing everything we can to protect the American people, and the American people understand that," said the President.
(Credibility?)
Inside the Shadow Government
I glanced over this site, nothing new to me. Figured better add it than not to. Click "Feral House"
Another BBC article, slightly different.
Bush defends shadow government
Notice simularities to the first ran article
Washington sets up shadow government
www.dojgov.net...
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reply posted on 18-12-2003 @ 04:39 AM by ADVISOR
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Ok
I know who ever is sending me emails is online now, btw, where do you get this stuff?
Here is another link I have recieved, I browsed it and noticed some good information;
The following Executive Orders were combined by Richard Nixon into E.O. No. 11490, which activates all of the following under national emergency
conditions:
EO 10995 provides for the control of the communications media
EO 10997 provides for the control of the power, fuels, and minerals
EO 10998 provides for the control of all food and farms
EO 10999 provides for the control of all transportation, highways, etc.
EO 11000 provides for the mobilization of all civilians into work brigades under government supervision
EO 11001 provides for control of all health, education, and welfare
EO 11002 designates the postmaster to operate a national registration of all persons
EO 11003 provides for control of all airports and aircraft
EO 11004 provides for relocation of any populations
EO 11005 provides for control of railroads, waterways, and public storage facilities
A one-world government would require a world law, a world court, and for enforcement, a world army. You can understand why our Constitution must be
scrapped, because Article 1, Section 8, clauses 13-16 gives Congress exclusive power over our armed forces. The sovereignty of our nation depends upon
its ability to defend itself. Period.
The Shadow Government of the United States and the Decline of America
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reply posted on 4-1-2004 @ 11:15 PM by omega1
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Good work Advisor......
this is from your link...
The Shadow Government advocates for progressive change in U.S. government by establishing an ideal presidential cabinet composed of notable
spokespeople that offer original policy viewpoints based on a fresh progressive platform. The cabinet will include progressive leaders from academic,
political, business, entertainment and nonprofit sectors. We're also creating a dream presidential Cabinet to help us imagine, "what if?"
Contribute to the new progressive platform at the Policy Forum, learn about our board of directors, and nominate someone to serve in the Cabinet.
.......All i can say is: what is the world coming to???
This site is trying to pass the Shadow Gov, as a sweet little "people freindly" government...........what a load of bs
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reply posted on 4-1-2004 @ 11:18 PM by omega1
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64.227.206.20...
What do you think Advisor????
Some new information but in general its a summary. Do you think it's legit?
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reply posted on 6-1-2004 @ 03:29 AM by ADVISOR
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Originally posted by omega1
Do you think it's legit?

That anwser will be decided by the team leader.
All we have to do is put the right pieces together.
Was going over older media, found this.
‘Shadow Government’ Readies in Case of Another 9/11
"In the event of another terrorist attack, Vice President Dick Cheney would disappear to a "secure, undisclosed location" as a "shadow
government" prepared to take over."
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reply posted on 16-1-2004 @ 12:19 AM by omega1
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In the Shadow Government five branches may be identified. These branches are: the Executive Branch, the Intelligence Branch, the War Department, the
Weapons Industry Branch, and the Financial Department.
The reporting lines of the Intelligence Branch and the War Department to the Executive Branch are straightforward and obvious. Intelligence exists to
provide the Executive Branch with sufficient necessary information to make adequately informed policy decisions. The War Department exists to provide
coercive force to carry out Executive policy decisions which could meet with public resistance. The Special Operations units within the Intelligence
Branch and War Department exist to carry out policy directives requiring covert action and official deniability.
The Weapons Industry Branch reports to the Executive Branch most often indirectly, through the War Department and/or the Intelligence Branch (for
Black Budget weapons systems).
The Financial Department theoretically reports to the Executive Branch for fiscal policy implementation, but de facto also reports directly to the
international power brokers who have created the Shadow Government. The Financial Department serves at times directly as their instrument of fiscal
policy implementation.
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reply posted on 24-5-2004 @ 10:03 PM by omega1
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can anyone look at the annual budget list of the us and maybe find something related to a high up organization.??
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