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You refuse to believe that anyone ever sees any UFOs , fine but the fact is people do. You seem totally disinterested in facts , so therefore you hold beliefs. The belief that I and millions of people are Liars.
, and others have offered evidence that supports our opinions , you have not !
FIRST OF ALL I HAVE NO BELIEF. UNLIKE YOU, I LUMP IT INTO THE CATAGORY OF THE UNKNOWN
SECOND OF ALL ALLEN HYNEK (WHOEVER HE IS)_HAS NOT PROVEN THAT HE KNOWS MORE ABOUT UFOS THAN ANYONE ELSE. UNLESS HE SHOWS ME VIDEO OF HIM RIDING SHOTGUN IN A UFO, I COULD CARE LESS WHAT HE HAS TO SAY ABOUT THEM.
The Center for UFO Studies was started by Dr. J. Allen Hynek, who was a professor of astronomy at Ohio State University, and later, chairman of the astronomy department at Northwestern University. During the 1950s and 1960s, he served as the astronomical consultant to the United States Air Force's Project Blue Book.
At first, Dr. Hynek was skeptical of the whole UFO business, but after examining hundreds of UFO reports by credible witnesses, he became convinced UFOs were worthy of serious study.
SO PLEASE DO NOT PRESENT ANY OF YOUR UFOOLIGIST OR WHATEVER THEY CALL THEMSELVES AS "AUTHORITIES ON THE SUBJECT BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE.
Originally posted by Kleversdad
Yeah I have heard those stories too. I also heard about bigfoot even saw a little footage on him, Does that mean it's real. Let me let you in on a little secret. People lie sometimes. How many of those radar sightings have you seen for yourself? How much trace evidence have you seen personally? Like I said before, a lot of people have motives driven by attention and greed. So before you throw out "facts" about planes being scrambled in Belgium, unlesss you were there, don't preach it as gospel. I'm not saying these did not happen and that these people did not see anything. But i'm sure you did not happen to be in these countries in the radio control room scrambling fighter jets to intercept aliens or demons or whatever. At best it was our military using advanced physics in some way the general public is unaware of but doubtful. Please do not present what you have read on the internet as fact unless you were there to see it.
First of all, you all need to coalm down. Like I said eairlier it would be me the one who would be attacked for coming to dork central and having the nerve to voice my opinion.
Hey i have and idea you PROVE me wrong and I will stop voicing my opinion till then, Stop acting like your Allen Hynek, who by the way may be looking at the phenonomon from a scientific standpoint, based on astromony.
If I have any questions about planets or stars I'll ask him but if I want to know about ufos I'll ask lost shaman, by the way i'm still waiting for that detailed description on the ufo you saw for 5 minuts at 30 yards.
Originally posted by lost_shaman
O.k. But the Illuminati have not kidnapped me and Brain washed me , and I have never seen any evidence that Reptilians are real or that David Icke isn't just a paranoid delusional.
I have found evidence consistently that UFOs are not always mis-identifications or hoaxes and that evidence is consistent with some UFOs being unknown objects or machines that are not consistent with Human technology.
So when I stop finding evidence that points me in the direction of the ETH , but towards the type of things David Icke is talking about , then I will consider what David Icke is saying until then I will stick with what the evidence suggests.
Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
I have just finishes a series of documentaries about UFO's and the presidents that dealt with the sibjects. I do not care to talk about all the mystic around who saw what and who believes what. This is such a fantastical subject, such a complete "way-of-life" changing subject, yet it is dealt with like children. I have a few questons I would like the ATS woeld to answer (because I know there are UFO buffs here).
1). Why keep it secret? (Presedents like Reagan had a fantasy that the proof would unite the world)
2). Why do we have absolutely no difinitieve proof? I mean we can catch a murder on tape but no UFO's?
3). What could Elitists or whoever have to benifit from keeping it a secret?
4). If it exists, why wouldn't NASA have a better direction in their space plans?
5). If you beleieve, what do you believe? What makes any sense?
I do not disprove anything, I just can't see any reasons for being fanatical about the subject. UFO's have no purpose, or yet I haven't seen one... Maybe you guys have...
[edit on 2-10-2005 by AnAbsoluteCreation]
Originally posted by seattlelaw
Altoona, thanks for sharing that.
I have no doubt in your sincerity. What amazes me is that people are so skeptical of such events in light of the facts that have been proven in the past few centuries. The size of the known universel the earth is not the center of the universe (you would have been laughed at for that comment not too long ago), nor is it flat. Whether human operated or alien the object/ship was there, correct?
Your experience exceeds mine, which may well be explained by some optical illusion. Anyway, in July 1995 I was at a concert in eastern Washington which ended some 45 minutes before the sun set. As we were departing we noticed an object hovering over the scene (Columbia River Gorge) which was changing colors in a prismatic way. Many colors constantly changing. It was there for ~ 10 minutes while we watched then disappeared. We thought it was very cool but had no idea what it was. It did seem to be an anomoly and yet it had no defined edges or shape. Could have been some weird light effect late in the day. But at the time all I could thing was ET. Who knows? All that matters is that it was a real experience. Like yours.
BTW, sort of on topic, has anyone else had terribly frightening dreams (at least I vaguely remember them as dreams) as a child where the white lights descending from a night sky are searching for you? I used to get those as a kid all the time. Terrifying. The intelligence in the white lights was looking for me and always finding me, no matter where I hid. Just wondering. They would wander searching in the sky and I would become aware of them and become terrified and try desparately to hide. In my dreams they always ultimately found me. When the terror reached its apex as they homed in on me I would know no more. These were not pleasant experiences.