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Originally posted by WestPoint23
So, who are the ones that capture and behead civilians?
As far as I can see they have killed more Iraqi civilians and citizens then American soldiers. And don't tell me one group only attacks certain types of targets, they go after everything as long as it accomplishes their agenda.
Originally posted by JIMC5499
I'd like to see some proof on those numbers of Iraqi killed by the US. As far as I know the US didn't kill any civilians between the end of Desert Storm and 2003
Originally posted by Seekerof
And nowhere in that guilt equation is blame placed upon those other nations who also sanctioned and participated in the Iraqi sanctions?
Furthermore, nowhere in that guilt equation is blamed placed upon Saddam?
Simply just and only the US, eh, seattlelaw?
seekerof
[edit on 30-9-2005 by Seekerof]
Originally posted by Seekerof
Anyhow, there were more nations involved with the sanctions against Iraq than simply the US and UK.
And nowhere in that guilt equation is blame placed upon those other nations who also sanctioned and participated in the Iraqi sanctions?
Furthermore, nowhere in that guilt equation is blamed placed upon Saddam?
Originally posted by Seekerof
And nowhere in that guilt equation is blame placed upon those other nations who also sanctioned and participated in the Iraqi sanctions?
Furthermore, nowhere in that guilt equation is blamed placed upon Saddam?
Simply just and only the US, eh, seattlelaw?
seekerof
[edit on 30-9-2005 by Seekerof]
Originally posted by UM_Gazz
Originally posted by Saphronia
Their only wish is to drag us down in the dirt.
Who's wish is it? Who makes this wish? We did not get dragged into the dirt here. we dove into it face first, eyes and mouth open.
The dirt you speak of did not come from the enemy in this war, it came from our own fellow americans, You should as an American feel shame for the actions or abuse.
There is more and more in this developing story, even our own leaders are confessing this, Donald Rumsfeld has even warned that we have not seen the worst yet.
Will video images of US soldiers raping Iraqi children open your eyes to the shame of this nation?
What will it take to cause you to feel shame at the actions of our own US soldiers?
We can all try to look away from this issue all we want, it is not going away.. and it is not over yet.
You can feel pride in your nation and shame for what happened at the same time. You are not forced to be on one side or the other.
But remember this, The shameful actions that has brought to this point, has been shown to go much higher up the chain of command than anyone wanted to believe.
Remember when these photos were turned in and an investigation began it was near a year ago.
Donald Rumsfeld admits that he should have brought it forward a lot sooner.. To me that is the same as saying "we were looking for a way to sweep this under the rug before the world and media got ahold of it"
There is real talk at high levels of removing Donald Rumsfeld from his position, and Rumsfeld did in his own world admit his guilt in this case. This should show you that at least one person in the White House is feeling the shame from all of this.
What is the real shame is that it takes something like this to wake up to the reality and evil of war on all sides and at every level.
Gazz
[Edited on 8-5-2004 by UM_Gazz]
Senator Lindsey Graham (Republican, South Carolina): "The American public needs to understand we're talking about rape and murder here."
"It was pretty disgusting, not what you'd expect from Americans," said Senator Norm Coleman.
"I don't know how the hell these people got into our army," said Colorado Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell.
Originally posted by seattlelaw
Accountability needs to begin at home. Hmm, let's see ... We formed the coalition in 1990 for the war against Saddam after we encouraged our recent ally to go into Kuwait. US generals directed the war. After we killed those hapless rag-tag draftees and shot up their crappy tanks with tons of DU, we decided that the best way to get rid of Saddam would be to take away enough of the staples of life through sanctions that the Iraqi public would be brought to their knees. Our govt. logic was that the public would be in so much pain that they would unite and toss the bums out.
Originally posted by ArchAngel
as posted by seekerof
Furthermore, nowhere in that guilt equation is blamed placed upon Saddam?
Saddam was not opposed to ending the sanctions.
Please, by all means, correct me if I am wrong here, but taking into account your logic of blaming simply and only the US, in the case of deaths attributed to the sanctions against Iraq, I think it is safe to presume that my example is correct/valid?
Originally posted by koji_K
"It was pretty disgusting, not what you'd expect from Americans," said Senator Norm Coleman.
"I don't know how the hell these people got into our army," said Colorado Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell.
as posted by ArchAngel
Simply, and Only America used veto influence to keep the sanctions in place even when the vast majority of the world were against them.
No support, legal or moral, was required.
Only America can be blamed for many of the years of Sanctions, and those were the worst years for the Iraqis.
Originally posted by UM_Gazz
Quoting myself from the thread I linked to in my last post in this thread above... (posted in 2004)
Originally posted by seekerof
Since we are using your logic, it would be safe to presume that in a court of law, the only one that would be convicted of rape would be the one who suggested it first and who was the first to rape the woman, correct?