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Originally posted by James J Dierbeck
It's a large dictionary with this about Molech; "The national god of the Ammonites, Children were sacrificed in the fire to Molech."
The Jehovahs Witnesses were reportedly founded by a freemason,
and their Bible study books also confirm child burning sacrifices to Moloch.
Those who reject the Bible as a source of history are agenda driven.
Originally posted by Nygdan
The Jehovahs Witnesses were reportedly founded by a freemason,
Originally posted by James J Dierbeck
You've been denying that all along!
No I'm not, though Mormons also are Mason founded.
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What about the Church of Jehovah's Witnesses? This church was founded by Charles T. Russell. Russell was certainly well acquainted with the Occult and Masonry because he used the 33rd Degree Masonic Symbol 9winged sun-disk with opposing snakes) in some of his books! He also used the Knights Templar symbol (a cross inside a crown sometimes encircled by a wreathe or glory) in a number of his papers and books. Russell is also buried in a pyramid with Masonic symbols on its capstone.
Notice that he refers to Mason as "them" and "they", excluding himself and the brethren. [...]Russell did say "Now I am a free and accepted Mason" but, in context it is obvious he was not, because he included all his brethren in the faith as being "Masons" as well. He also said they were all Masons, but "not after the style of our Masonic brethren."
I NEVER said any such thing
Jones didn't get near enough to confirm or deny if the sacrifices were real or as you claim straw
I didn't invent the other spelling for Baal as Bel, as in the extra book of Daniel called "Bel and the Dragon", and the name Beelzebub. Moloch IS part of Baalism.
Originally posted by Nygdan
You insist that the Bohemian Club ceremony is a druidic moloch/baal ritual.
If you can't confirm that it was an actual person then you shouldn't be saying it was a real person."
These arguments are simply too weak to be convincing, you are simply saying that these other bels were also baal. And, since the druids did not speak a semitic language, its even more of a stretch.
Originally posted by James J Dierbeck
What kind of rituals ARE practiced at Bohemian Grove
History of the Grove at www.infowars.com... (6th link), you try to portray anything Alex says as invented facts, though Alex always cites his sources of info. He didn't make it up.
Sacrificing a Human Being in Effigy to What They Call the "Great Owl of Bohemia."
Now, for the First Time in History, an Outsider Has Infiltrated Bohemian Grove with a Hidden Digital Video Camera and Caught the Ritual on Tape.
Prove it's not Druidic/Moloch ritual, & what it IS instead.
Did not jews migrate to England?
I didn't name BELtaine after Baal, it's Druidic origin.
Is NOT Beelzebub from Baalism?
Is NOT Daniel speaking of Baal as Bel?
Originally posted by Nygdan
If anything, you have a case for athena worship"
Is NOT Beelzebub from Baalism?
"Please demonstrate that it was."
Originally posted by James J Dierbeck
OH? Since when does Athena worship have mock OR real human sacrifice?
You didn't look then. I Googled these from results page 1; "bonfires lit in memory of DRUID BAAL fires" at
www.ancintegypt.hypermart.net... which states the name Beltaine refers to Baal.
from Irish Beáltaine or Scottish Gaelic Bealtuinn; both from Old Irish Beltene, "bright fire"[...]Early Gaelic sources from around the 10th century state that the Druids would
"Babylon", is the Greek rendition of the Hebrew word "Babel", and is translated as both "Confusion" and "Gate of Bel".
www.kypros.org...
confusion = σύγχυση synchysi
babble = φλυαρώ flyaro
The Beltane Festival was also known as "the bringing down of the Sun". This refers to the astronomical event, which occurred on September 21st 4468BCE when the Autumn (Fall) Equinox of the Sun was in conjunction with the Milky Way
Concordances all give reference to names like; Beelpeor, as reference to Baal, as in Baalbek Lebanon.
Originally posted by James J Dierbeck
Alex has the photo history of the grove, besides current film
and that's not fiction he invented. If the statue is a match to the Talmud Molech statue of sacrifices, it wasn't Alex who arranged it.
Originally posted by James J Dierbeck
It's a large dictionary with this about Molech; "The national god of the Ammonites, Children were sacrificed in the fire to Molech."
Levticus 18:21, 20:2-5, 1 Kings 11:7 KJV.
"If any man of the children of Israel, or of the strangers, that dwell in Israel, give of his seed to the idol Moloch, dying let HIM die: the people of the land shall stone him"-Leviticus 20:2
The Jehovahs Witnesses were reportedly founded by a freemason, and their Bible study books also confirm child burning sacrifices to Moloch.
Those who reject the Bible as a source of history are agenda driven.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Originally posted by James J Dierbeck
It's a large dictionary with this about Molech; "The national god of the Ammonites, Children were sacrificed in the fire to Molech."
I think that we all agree upon this.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Yes, but I am saying that we agree that the bible states that the amorites worshipped moloch. As far as that being historically accurate, thats an entirely different matter. About the only place that Moloch exists, short of relatively modern recreations, is in the bible.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Since when do druids sacrifice children to moloch? The point was that if the BC ritual is moloch because of the fire, then it may as well be athena for having an owl, since when does moloch worship involve owls, moloch is a bull-man."
"The page you cite, while interesting, is not contemporary with the druids by about two thousand years."
"They also erroneously note that any god from teh levant is actually the god named "Baal"
"the ancient continental Celtic sun and healer God, Belenus. ", not Baal."
"Babylon", is the Greek rendition of the Hebrew word "Babel", and is translated as both "Confusion" and "Gate of Bel".
"This is untrue."
The Beltane Festival was also known as "the bringing down of the Sun".
Where is it called this and why is it specifically that event????
"Its not from 'Baalism', a religion centering upon the worship of Baal, which never seems to have even existed."
Originally posted by Byrd
"Studies of ancient inscriptions and sites don't show that there was any such deity or sacrificial practice.
Originally posted by Byrd
"You're right... the only source that mentions Moloch is the Bible. Even the cultures that supposedly worshipped Moloch don't mention Moloch."
Originally posted by Byrd"and means "dedicate" as in "given to with the expectation that they become a part of the religion. doesn't mean kill."
"So, you're maintaining that Egypt was uninhabited for 40 years (Eze. 29: 1-19) and the people had a huge diaspora that somehow never got mentioned by the Egyptians or other people?"
"That Nebuchanezzer managed to conquer Egypt (Eze. 29: 1-19) and somehow forgot to record his victory when he was putting up all those monuments to himself?"
"That pi acutally equals 3 and not 3.14?"
"That bugs have 4 legs? Lev 11:20-21
"...and so on and so forth (including some cities such as Babylon that were supposedly completely destroyed and rendered uninhabitable forever?"
"I think you'll find that scientific and historical record don't always match the Bible and that the Bible is incorrect on a number of things... such as bugs and the behavior of ostriches.
Originally posted by James J Dierbeck
Originally posted by Byrd
"Studies of ancient inscriptions and sites don't show that there was any such deity or sacrificial practice.
Please explain the motive implied by your insistance that the Bible LIED about such practice going on? WHY?"
Originally posted by James J Dierbeck
Then explain the archeology find in Tunisia (Baalist) of burnt baby bones in jars cited by; www.dangoor.com...
Here's another site, since you'd reject also Catholic encyclopedia as a source;
www.jafi.org.il...
"So, you're maintaining that Egypt was uninhabited for 40 years (Eze. 29: 1-19) and the people had a huge diaspora that somehow never got mentioned by the Egyptians or other people?"
The Romans were the first sticklers for keeping records of everything.
"That Nebuchanezzer managed to conquer Egypt (Eze. 29: 1-19) and somehow forgot to record his victory when he was putting up all those monuments to himself?"
The moses era books were NOT written by prophets, but by chroniclers, including Genesis.
As I said, you judge the whole Bible by Genesis (the Moses era transcription of Hebrew ORAL TRADITION by chroniclers not prophets) & Moses era chronicler books by unknown names, according to words of non-prophets in it, demanding that all be translated exactly accurately, & be infallable, though Jonah was fallable.
Y'all better consider that the predicted effects of a major meteoric hail & impact event IS scientifically accurate totally; global quake, waves roaring, part of earth scorched by superheated atmosphere, and darkened skies, all of which is repeated thoughout the non-Moses era Bible.