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Originally posted by James J Dierbeck
#1: You imply that there's no way the Vatican could possibly have the Dialogue of the Saviour, to be able to complete it. That's not based on any Vatican statement. It was included in Nag Hammadi because it WAS accepted as valid. You expect me to believe that's the only copy there ever was, in Egypt? Be realistic, the Vatican excluded it from the Canon and hid it because of what's in the missing parts.
#2: The Hebrew scholar was NOT sitchin, though I forgot the name, I know who Sitchin is. Noory's credibility is irrelevant; some guests are kooks about kooky things, but Biblical scholarship is another matter. Typical of naysayers to attack any source, even if not identified.
#3: I never said Latin Vulgate is the most ancient version! misrepresenting me backfires. NIV & CB is a joke, as the most accurate versions. Maybe to whatever sect uses those versions it is. But See if the name Lucifer is censored from Isaiah 14:12; see if the ORIGINAL word herb is replaced by the nonsensical word vegetables in NIV in Romans 14:2-4. Note all the different wordings of 2 Thessalonians 2:8, and tell me which is truest. I only accept Latin Vulgate as most accurate still.
You think you can fairly discard the historic Bible as evidence of Moloch rituals & Baal murder rituals?
You pretend Moloch has nothing to do with the Bohemian Grove rituals, but why does Alex Jones say it is Moloch rituals then?
Either he's making it up or you are, and he's got the history of the Grove there also to back him up, at www.infowars.com . I believe Alex over a mason defender anyday. I believe the Bible over a mason defender any day also. Historic facts CAN be hid, as the Church proved by keeping the Apocrypha secret for centuries, ETCETERA!
#4: I've never even heard of Flaubert before you, & I base nothing on him. You forgot to explain why Fez hats are worn so widely, to commemorate what, if not the depopulation of Fez before the repopulation, as told by historian www.ralphepperson.com ?
Church of Satan, the mafia, KKK were all freemason founded. Are you proud of being on their side to deny and dispute anything against them? You have no credibility with me.
Originally posted by James J Dierbeck
I shouldn't need to be able to process microfilm to read the Junius II. It should be in bookstores...It purposely difficult to read these & other writings. If I could read them, I could find the justification for the extinct religions, or at least the reason. I can't afford to mess with microfilm.
Originally posted by James J Dierbeck
If it's so easy to access, why not just post a link to it instead? I'm too lazy to check IF Junius II is NOW accessable, but it wasn't in 1992, when I passed word to O'Connor about it. Not via the library here.
You mean to tell me the Vatican never read or had the Gospel of Thomas before the Nag Hammadi find? I don't buy that.
The Vatican archives have been empty all these centuries? Give me a break.
Originally posted by James J Dierbeck
I invite all readers to see that you lied about the site;
www.truthquestonline.info... saying there is no historic info there about Knights Templars, Freemasons, Jesuits, Rosicrucians, etc. the site is full of history with sources cited.
Originally posted by James J Dierbeck
www.truthquestonline.info... should get you to the right page for Rosslyn Chapel, Knights Templar history, beginnings of freemasonry, Illuminati, Skull & Bones rituals, and the Jesuit oath to murder for the Church.
Originally posted by James J Dierbeck
You said the Vatican archives cannot have had the secret scriptures, being too new, but the catacombs are old, and Saint Peters claims to have the corpse of Peter under the altar. But they couldn't include the books of Peter in the Bible? They couldn't have kept any scriptures? I still don't buy it!
To harrasser Nygdan
Freedom of speech/press/info/& religion are irrelevant when hiding the motive for the extermination of Bogomils and Cathars and others not in their definition of mainstream
I do, if you don't mind
Google up Adam Weishaupt for the verification you deny exists without checking.
I was a dealer, smuggler, and grower professionally from 1980-1993. I DO know the mafia underlings also. want more names?
\www.wyattmuseum.com... is attacked & he has another site to respond to the attacks as lies of disinfo. Key evidence on various Biblical finds all discarded via character assassnation unfairly by enemies of the Bible.
You think NSA wouldn't be ready at a site called abovetopsecret? They're here alright, & freemasons.
www.williamcooper.com...
exposes masonic control of DIA/CIA/NSA/ONI,
My agenda is to fight the evil corruption
Google "Druid rituals" and learn that the Moloch tradition of Baalism was preserved by Druids.
Your [byrd's]word I can't quote in articles as worth anything.
His facts were supplied by 33rds,
besides the fact he's a historian
and was openly Luciferian in the famous "Morals and Doctrines" masonic book
Madame Blavatski or Blavatsky claimed to be freemason,
Crowley founded Ordo Templi Orientis.
pacman
Two things seem certain about this story- that Sauniere obviously found something for which some person or group of people were willing to pay him large sums of money
Originally posted by James J Dierbeck
Why should anyone believe you that there was only one copy of Dialogue, IN EGYPT, when Christ was popular in Israel?
#2: My Latin Vulgate Bible uses the word "herb", as does KJV. The verse is about disputing over using herbs in a religious context, in Romans 14:2-4. A dispute over using vegetables as a religious practice makes NO sense in your tampered with Concordance. Explain please!
#3: Google "Druid rituals" and learn that the Moloch tradition of Baalism was preserved by Druids. There's your evidence. The May Day BELtaine tradition is related to Baal by name. Bohemian Grove is Scottish Rite Druidic/Moloch rituals.
I have the reference dictionary for the Bible called "Aid to Bible Understanding", researched by JWs, who reportedly have ties to freemasonry. The murder rituals of Baal/Moloch are described there also, in details not in the Bible.
#4: Prove that Protestants had the Apocrypha until the Catholics published it. Your word I can't quote in articles as worth anything.
Who founded what is at Google also; "Mazzini" "Aliester Crowley + freemason", Anton LaVey + freemason" (founder of the Church of Satan & author of bogus "Satanic Bible"), "Pike +KKK"
www.google.com...
Pike was top US mason, and was openly Luciferian in the famous "Morals and Doctrines" masonic book.
Madame Blavatski or Blavatsky claimed to be freemason, and published Luciferian writings. Crowley founded Ordo Templi Orientis.
Originally posted by Nygdan
"The idea that someone can harrass someone on this site is absurd. You came here to talk about this stuff, and now simply because I disagree with some of what you say, I am harrassing you? Feel free to use the ignore button, or, if you really feel harrassed, don't keep talking to me. Duh."
Look up the definition of the insult you REPEATEDLY gave me, as German/Irish American, and Christians, which Heliand readers were. I protested to the slur to you the "moderator" only to be insulted ethnically and religiously AGAIN. Look at your rules of etiquette on the home page, VIOLATOR! HYPOCRITE!
Harrassment on religious and ethnic grounds as "inferior" and "savage" & "uncivilized" is what the word means. Prove it doesn't describe you, rudely insulting as debate strategy.
QUOTE:
"And yet you don't bother to do whats required to read them, such as get the copies that are available."
My library of extra Biblical works is extensive. Please link me to the lost books of the Bogomils I previously listed.
"And, agian, what, specifically, from this site, supports that topic??"
Truthquestonline research page has historic info with reference to sources regarding; Rosslyn Chapel/Knights Templar founding freemasonry & Crusades/Illuminati/ Skull & Bones filmed ritual/ & the very relevant JESUIT OATH TO MURDER FOR THE CHURCH. All those topics have been disputed here.
Your [byrd's]word I can't quote in articles as worth anything.
His facts were supplied by 33rds,
Originally posted by Byrd
QUOTE; "These texts *are* gnostic (as you've said) and not something taught directly by Jesus' disciples."
You ignore the so called "dualist heresy" in the Bible; 1 Timothy 1:20 & 1 Corinthians 5:5, and Job 1:6, & Jude 1:9 & Rev 12:12, & 2 Corinthians 11:14. The Inquisitioners are the heretics.
"will see that I looked at the ORIGINAL VULGATE. In Latin. In fact, I cited the verse in Latin, copied and pasted from the Vulgate."
MY LATIN VULGATE says "herbs" not "vegetables", as does my KJV.
QUOTE; "I'd love to hear your explaination about why your favorite source contradicts the historians who lived in Britain in 30BC-400 AD and actually talked to Druids."
I've never read Flaubert, nor heard of him until this thread, so he's not my source, as I've already explained before. WHY are Moloch rituals
in use at Bohemian Grove?
[/quote;
"And you never questioned that, of course."
And you reject every source that doesn't fit in your little box of acceptable beliefs.
QUOTE; "Until Martin Luther founded the Protestant sect, everyone used the Catholic Bible which has all the apocrypha in it."
This aint your field of expertize, that's clear by that statement! ALL the Apocrypha? WRONG!
[qupte] "And, y'know, no other 33rd has ever come forward to offer any confirmation."
Captain William Morgan violated his enforced oath in publishing about below 33rd rituals, and was abducted & never seen again. With intel agencies masonic, as whistleblower Cooper exposed, the oaths can be enforced, with gov covering up evidence in the name of national security, and was killed by gov. Father Malachi Martin exposed the masonic Jesuit order initiation ritual murders, then was killed. artbell.com
QUOTE;"Women aren't... and weren't allowed to be Masons (yes, I know the rumors)."
Well, explain the "Daughters of Job" and "Order of the Eastern Star" & see masonic gifts & accessories about the "honorable wife" status of women masons.
QUOTE; "And Crowley wasn't a Mason. Nor was LaVey. And Pike never advocated worship of Satan."
Pike advocated LUCIFER worship by his own published words. British masons tried to distance themselves from Crowleys' bad rep by refusing to acknowledge his French Grand master rank, but he was very knowledgeable about masonic rituals, & a stickler for exactness of them. The founder of the Church of Satan and author of the Satanic Bible Anton LaVey WAS SO a mason, and I've not even seen any sites disputing that, so post one. Crowley was friend of the founder of the mafia Mazzini.
QUOTE; "And none of them worshipped Moloch and (to return to topic) none of them had anything to do with the suppression of the Gnostics."
Still saying Alex Jones invented the traditional Moloch rituals at Bohemian Grove? The rituals of Crowley AND LaVey are exactly Baalist, renamed as Satanism. There's NO ancient rituals to Satan. I NEVER said they had anything to do with suppression of Gnostics, that's a lying misrepresentation to make me appear to be in error.