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Hidden Agenda behind Inquisition; Censoring Scriptures via Murder

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posted on Sep, 19 2005 @ 03:59 PM
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I invite all readers to see that you lied about the site;
www.truthquestonline.info... saying there is no historic info there about Knights Templars, Freemasons, Jesuits, Rosicrucians, etc. the site is full of history with sources cited.

#2: You say the Vatican isn't responsible or required to provide the missing scriptures that you somehow can claim are heresy, though you've never read them either. Freedom of speech/press/info/& religion are irrelevant when hiding the motive for the extermination of Bogomils and Cathars and others not in their definition of mainstream. Other churches were only allowed AFTER the Inquisition had erased the heretic religions. Protestant reformationists were slaughtered anyhow.

You say. So what. who wants to read it anyhow? I do, if you don't mind. Post a link to it all that's missing. It matters if you care about the takeover of the Church. Google Black Pope Peter Hans von Klovenbach or Hans von Klovenbach, the supposed head of freemasonry.

Google up Adam Weishaupt for the verification you deny exists without checking.

About the mafia; the interstate stripper club circuit that hires thru Talents West Entertainment is owned by the Colacurcio Mafia family, and their head of the NW mafia crime syndicate is Norman Adams. My ex attorney was Lieutenant in 3 mafia families when handling my cases. When I rebelled against the fast track initiation, NSA arranged a bogus marriage between her and a Saudi prince Raoul, which gave her diplomatic immunity from prosecution.

Now she's immune beyond her national security clearance status. March 15, 2000 Seattle Times reported "weapons cache stuns veteran agents" when my former supplier of NSA coc aine died, with 300 Chinese tripod machine guns; Doug McAlpin.

Do you want Hells Angels names also? apfn.org daily updates Sep 22, 2004 has record of open threats from them, with other biker clubs signing on to the hunt, against me. Note: I was also being impersonated at that site at the time.

You denied I knew anything about mafia here, but I witnessed a coverup of evidence against mafia boss Norman Adams, who never had to sit his time in Snohomish county for selling a quantity of mafia child porn, as reported in the Seattle Times in 1985. He tried to frame me by trying to kill a stripper who'd just left my bed. It's either bring me in, as a career outlaw I once was, or have me still exposing the Green River coverup, like now.

I was a dealer, smuggler, and grower professionally from 1980-1993. I DO know the mafia underlings also. want more names?




posted on Sep, 19 2005 @ 04:23 PM
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All this goes back to what I've said and thought all along. Much is missing, much is misinterpretated, much is changed from the original writings. The Bible is what one wanted put in, and much that has been left out. All for the control of man.

That is why one should not follow a "religion" persay. Perhaps follow one's heart into higher learning and an understanding of each's spirituality.

"Beware of the teachings of man, and beware of the teachings of the Church"

If one would learn to follow one's heart much could be unlocked. The answers one seeks are all around.

What really bothers me and should bother many is that the writings of Christ himself are either to bad to be read, or locked in the vaults somewhere. Yet, when I bring up that the Bible was written by man I get lambasted by the sayers of, "Don't you think GOD could tell someone what to write." Well, apparently Christ himself has writings. Seems to me GOD could unlock those anytime? Is this a "Catch 22" or....

Hmmmmmm....

[edit on 19-9-2005 by madmanacrosswater]



posted on Sep, 19 2005 @ 04:40 PM
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good topic btw u make yourself easy to find



posted on Sep, 19 2005 @ 05:04 PM
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Thanks for the supportive reply. The vast majority view the threads without answering at all. Those that do reply at various sites are those who refuse to accept the facts or logical deductions, mostly.

Some don't want to see outside their box. Some are Cointelpro operatives imbedded in the net to try to discredit anything that exposes what the rig wants hidden.

Key info on various subjects has become unaccessable, not because it's not listed on Google, but because no-one can access the site link. The Alton Barnes UFO making a crop circle film, for instance. The sites that claimed to have coordinates of planet X, for instance. ALL the people with key info have Cointelpro character assassin sites in their dishonor, convenient for the naysayer operatives to dispute with, though it ends one word against anothers'.

Documents cited in the book "Philadelphia Experiment: Project Invisibility" have been reclassified & are denied on the net now as ever existing. The story only slipped out because Pres Carter signed the Freedom of Information Act, which allowed the release of many great books in 1979.

Truth is getting harder to prove about anything.

www.wyattmuseum.com... is attacked & he has another site to respond to the attacks as lies of disinfo. Key evidence on various Biblical finds all discarded via character assassnation unfairly by enemies of the Bible.

The net is rigged, and so is this site. You think NSA wouldn't be ready at a site called abovetopsecret? They're here alright, & freemasons.

www.williamcooper.com...
exposes masonic control of DIA/CIA/NSA/ONI, as a whistleblower. See the masonic emblem at the mother of intel agencies; www.DIA.gov...
It's scary with an upside down cross & forbidden fruit reward world.



posted on Sep, 19 2005 @ 05:41 PM
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i understand your frustration, it's the reason u post on sites like this, but you need to accept that your posts will NOT make a difference or change anything. If you expose truth it will be denied here and everywhere else on the web. Just try to keep yourself safe and use your knowledge to protect yourself. Sorry to sound negative but ...



posted on Sep, 19 2005 @ 06:43 PM
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I like the war zone sites better actually. Flak is always heaviest right over the target, as my B-17 Lieutenant dad would say.

The few that deny all facts have an agenda that's obvious. Character assassinations and denials are the only defense they have against truth. I think the silent majority of readers can think for themselves, and rise above mind control imposed by normalcy pressures and personal attacks.

My cyber war began in 2004, when there was an attempt on the life of my daughter, who has witnessed too much corruption to live, apparently. I figured, if she's marked for death, my silence won't help her at all.

See the other subjects I post about here. My agenda is to fight the evil corruption with words on all fronts, until the threats are fulfilled. It matters not if my name gets smeared, as long as the systematic corruption gets the mask ripped off.

I've seen the impact I've had at other sites as views changed. I still am posting at other sites also. This is not the worst site, but not near the most polite.

Like flying aces, I can take a nick here and there, or even get shot down for my cause, as long as I'm scoring.

Many sites have me blacklisted from posting before I ever can post anything, because of my impact at other sites. I'm locked out of many posting areas I've never posted at. This site is ready to pull all the Cointelpro tricks on anyone who posts, so allowing me is no problem.

Readers can see through mind control on the net, and strategies that rely on denial of everything & personal attacks as excuse to exclude evidence.

When I've said it all, I'll be off to the next site to face the same tactics from the same handbook. The enemies job is to refuse to admit defeat, but the silent majority aren't bound by their opinions at all.



posted on Sep, 19 2005 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by James J Dierbeck
#1: You imply that there's no way the Vatican could possibly have the Dialogue of the Saviour, to be able to complete it. That's not based on any Vatican statement. It was included in Nag Hammadi because it WAS accepted as valid. You expect me to believe that's the only copy there ever was, in Egypt? Be realistic, the Vatican excluded it from the Canon and hid it because of what's in the missing parts.


Why is there any reason to believe there was more than one copy of it?


#2: The Hebrew scholar was NOT sitchin, though I forgot the name, I know who Sitchin is. Noory's credibility is irrelevant; some guests are kooks about kooky things, but Biblical scholarship is another matter. Typical of naysayers to attack any source, even if not identified.


Given the fact that Noory panders to the sensationalist (ratings) aspect, it's really not out of the question to ask who the guest was and what their credentials are. He has some people whose credibility is really questionable.

So it's really not unreasonable to ask if this person had any right to the claim of scholarship.



#3: I never said Latin Vulgate is the most ancient version! misrepresenting me backfires. NIV & CB is a joke, as the most accurate versions. Maybe to whatever sect uses those versions it is. But See if the name Lucifer is censored from Isaiah 14:12; see if the ORIGINAL word herb is replaced by the nonsensical word vegetables in NIV in Romans 14:2-4. Note all the different wordings of 2 Thessalonians 2:8, and tell me which is truest. I only accept Latin Vulgate as most accurate still.


Actually, I use a Strong's Concordance with them all, but that's just me. And the change of "herb" to "vegetable" is correct. In KJV the English of the time referred to vegetables as "pot herbs", and you can see the confirmation in the Latin dictionaries:
catholic.archives.nd.edu...

"Holus" is vegetable (the Vulgate for the Romans verse is: "alius enim credit manducare omnia qui autem infirmus est holus manducat.")

Medicinal plants are called "herbs" or "herbula":
catholic.archives.nd.edu...


You think you can fairly discard the historic Bible as evidence of Moloch rituals & Baal murder rituals?


There is no supporting evidence of it. In fact, all the other evidence points to the Bible being not correct in this regard.


You pretend Moloch has nothing to do with the Bohemian Grove rituals, but why does Alex Jones say it is Moloch rituals then?

Would Jones know a ritual of Moloch from a ritual of Hathor or a Dionysian ritual?


Either he's making it up or you are, and he's got the history of the Grove there also to back him up, at www.infowars.com . I believe Alex over a mason defender anyday. I believe the Bible over a mason defender any day also. Historic facts CAN be hid, as the Church proved by keeping the Apocrypha secret for centuries, ETCETERA!

Actually they didn't. The Protestants were the ones who excised it. The Catholics published it.


#4: I've never even heard of Flaubert before you, & I base nothing on him. You forgot to explain why Fez hats are worn so widely, to commemorate what, if not the depopulation of Fez before the repopulation, as told by historian www.ralphepperson.com ?


I must have been particularly incomprehensible when I wrote the response -- sorry. If you'll go back over what I said, my two points were:

* Your SOURCE INFORMANT for the Moloch worship descriptions got the info from Flaubert (or got it from someone who got it from Flaubert.)
* Fez was not built until *after* the date you mentioned.
* The Shriners were formed in the 20th century. I gave a link to the source where the founder says why he picked an Arabian theme.


Church of Satan, the mafia, KKK were all freemason founded. Are you proud of being on their side to deny and dispute anything against them? You have no credibility with me.

The KKK connection was disputed by a number of people who knew Pike, including his wife... so that's niether proven nor disproven. The Mafia can't be Masonic -- they were a Sicilian secret society founded in 900AD to fight the Muslims:
users.aol.com...

And the Satanists sure aren't Masons... and vice-versa.



posted on Sep, 19 2005 @ 08:20 PM
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Why should anyone believe you that there was only one copy of Dialogue, IN EGYPT, when Christ was popular in Israel?

#2: My Latin Vulgate Bible uses the word "herb", as does KJV. The verse is about disputing over using herbs in a religious context, in Romans 14:2-4. A dispute over using vegetables as a religious practice makes NO sense in your tampered with Concordance. Explain please!

#3: Google "Druid rituals" and learn that the Moloch tradition of Baalism was preserved by Druids. There's your evidence. The May Day BELtaine tradition is related to Baal by name. Bohemian Grove is Scottish Rite Druidic/Moloch rituals.

I have the reference dictionary for the Bible called "Aid to Bible Understanding", researched by JWs, who reportedly have ties to freemasonry. The murder rituals of Baal/Moloch are described there also, in details not in the Bible.

#4: Prove that Protestants had the Apocrypha until the Catholics published it. Your word I can't quote in articles as worth anything.

#5: www.ralphepperson.com...

His facts were supplied by 33rds, besides the fact he's a historian. Who founded what is at Google also; "Mazzini" "Aliester Crowley + freemason", Anton LaVey + freemason" (founder of the Church of Satan & author of bogus "Satanic Bible"), "Pike +KKK"
www.google.com...

Pike was top US mason, and was openly Luciferian in the famous "Morals and Doctrines" masonic book.

Madame Blavatski or Blavatsky claimed to be freemason, and published Luciferian writings. Crowley founded Ordo Templi Orientis.

Denials don't equal facts, masons are the evilest criminals I ever met in my career.



posted on Sep, 20 2005 @ 04:14 AM
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Originally posted by James J Dierbeck
I shouldn't need to be able to process microfilm to read the Junius II. It should be in bookstores...It purposely difficult to read these & other writings. If I could read them, I could find the justification for the extinct religions, or at least the reason. I can't afford to mess with microfilm.


Who precisely is it that you say should print this, so you can buy it?

All the best,

Roger Pearse



posted on Sep, 20 2005 @ 04:24 AM
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Originally posted by James J Dierbeck
If it's so easy to access, why not just post a link to it instead? I'm too lazy to check IF Junius II is NOW accessable, but it wasn't in 1992, when I passed word to O'Connor about it. Not via the library here.


I'm not sure I understand. Are you demanding that other people scan, translate and post the text online for you?



You mean to tell me the Vatican never read or had the Gospel of Thomas before the Nag Hammadi find? I don't buy that.
The Vatican archives have been empty all these centuries? Give me a break.


Uneducated people often suppose that the Vatican library dates, like the see, from antiquity. But in fact it is a foundation of the Renaissance, and was mainly set up by Leo X.

All the best,

Roger Pearse



posted on Sep, 20 2005 @ 04:28 AM
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Originally posted by James J Dierbeck
I invite all readers to see that you lied about the site;
www.truthquestonline.info... saying there is no historic info there about Knights Templars, Freemasons, Jesuits, Rosicrucians, etc. the site is full of history with sources cited.


I had difficulty myself in finding material from that link -- presumably this material is somewhere underneath it?

All the best,

Roger Pearse



posted on Sep, 20 2005 @ 05:16 AM
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www.truthquestonline.info... should get you to the right page for Rosslyn Chapel, Knights Templar history, beginnings of freemasonry, Illuminati, Skull & Bones rituals, and the Jesuit oath to murder for the Church.



posted on Sep, 20 2005 @ 05:28 AM
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You said the Vatican archives cannot have had the secret scriptures, being too new, but the catacombs are old, and Saint Peters claims to have the corpse of Peter under the altar. But they couldn't include the books of Peter in the Bible? They couldn't have kept any scriptures? I still don't buy it!



posted on Sep, 20 2005 @ 06:12 AM
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I am enthuised and appreciate your foundation of awareness Mr. D!


Francois Berenger Sauniere, from Rennes-le-Chateau, he quite possibly could have found something that either it is knowledge someone wanted kept hidden, a forgery for future purposes, or perhaps esoteric knowledge having to do with the Cathars'. He found 'something' in an altar stone, spent lavish amounts of money for his day and pay. Are you aware of Saunierre's story?Rennes le Chateau

Two things seem certain about this story- that Sauniere obviously found something for which some person or group of people were willing to pay him large sums of money and that he continued looking for something else his entire life. It seems equally clear that his superiors in the church acquiesced in whatever Sauniere was being well paid by ranking officials for both his efforts and his silence. According to one account, another clergyman named Antoine Gelis was close to Sauniere and also came into a considerable amount of money. Whatever Gelis knew about the situation died with him in November 1897, when the elderly priest was found beaten to death in his home. Details of his murder disappeared from church records and had to be reconstructed from police and court reports.
-Jim Marrs, rule by SECRECY- pg.318

Thanks for speaking up and staying up!
It's just a matter of time as when first truth is ridiculed. Then it is violently opposed. Finally, it is accepted as self-evident.


[edit on 9-20-05 by pacman]



posted on Sep, 20 2005 @ 07:01 AM
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Originally posted by James J Dierbeck
www.truthquestonline.info... should get you to the right page for Rosslyn Chapel, Knights Templar history, beginnings of freemasonry, Illuminati, Skull & Bones rituals, and the Jesuit oath to murder for the Church.


Thanks -- I'll take a look.

All the best,

Roger Pearse



posted on Sep, 20 2005 @ 07:03 AM
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Originally posted by James J Dierbeck
You said the Vatican archives cannot have had the secret scriptures, being too new, but the catacombs are old, and Saint Peters claims to have the corpse of Peter under the altar. But they couldn't include the books of Peter in the Bible? They couldn't have kept any scriptures? I still don't buy it!


Isn't the onus on Messrs Baigent &c who assert that they did to show that this is so? Anything is possible, in some sense.

All the best,

Roger Pearse



posted on Sep, 20 2005 @ 12:05 PM
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To harrasser Nygdan

The idea that someone can harrass someone on this site is absurd. You came here to talk about this stuff, and now simply because I disagree with some of what you say, I am harrassing you? Feel free to use the ignore button, or, if you really feel harrassed, don't keep talking to me. Duh.

Freedom of speech/press/info/& religion are irrelevant when hiding the motive for the extermination of Bogomils and Cathars and others not in their definition of mainstream

Again, the RCC is not required to maintain and publish books that it considers heretical. They do anyway, but they're not under some obligation to do so.

I do, if you don't mind

And yet you don't bother to do whats required to read them, such as get the copies that are available.

Google up Adam Weishaupt for the verification you deny exists without checking.

Please explain who a google on Wesihaupt is supposed to 'verify' anything. Apparently you accept anything in print as true, whether its a 'gospel' from the middle ages claiming to be authored by Christ or stories about illuminati plans to take over the world.

I was a dealer, smuggler, and grower professionally from 1980-1993. I DO know the mafia underlings also. want more names?

Why would I want names? What does name dropping have to do with any of this? I find it extraordinarily ironic and even hypocritical that you can blast the church and the masons for supposed mafia connections, but then in the same breath are reveling in your own immoral, illegal, and murderous connections. And, agian, you stated that you were 'almost a made man', but it turns out that that was just huffing and puffing.

\www.wyattmuseum.com... is attacked & he has another site to respond to the attacks as lies of disinfo. Key evidence on various Biblical finds all discarded via character assassnation unfairly by enemies of the Bible.

Since the late wyatt is a fraud, his site is attacked with good reason.

You think NSA wouldn't be ready at a site called abovetopsecret? They're here alright, & freemasons.

Thats right, there are freemasons here, there are also anti-freemasons, and all sorts of people that come here. As for it being infiltrated and controlled by secret agents, why are you posting here? If the site is run by 'them', and you are 'revealing' stuff like you claim, then you actually aren't revealing anything since they permit you to.

www.williamcooper.com...
exposes masonic control of DIA/CIA/NSA/ONI,

In case you've forgotten agian, this thread is about the Inquisition and the hidding away of secret gospels. Please stick to the topic. And, agian, what, specifically, from this site, supports that topic??

My agenda is to fight the evil corruption

Then what are you doing on this site? This is a disscussion site, not a egoistic agenda site. Its a place where people talk about unusual subjects, not stand on soapboxes.


Google "Druid rituals" and learn that the Moloch tradition of Baalism was preserved by Druids.

This is just plain stupid. Present the evidence that the druids performed moloch rituals and worshipped Baal. Saying 'google it' is nothing more than a way of you saying 'i have no clue if it is true or not but i like it'.

Your [byrd's]word I can't quote in articles as worth anything.

Entirely laughable.
[quiote]Prove that Protestants had the Apocrypha until the Catholics published it
Do you even know what the apocrypha are???

His facts were supplied by 33rds,

Anecdotale evidence from un-confirmable or secret sources are meaningless.

besides the fact he's a historian

How?

and was openly Luciferian in the famous "Morals and Doctrines" masonic book

There is a long running and informative thread on this subject here, please review it and then comment on it, not turn a blind eye to it and spout the same old hash.

Madame Blavatski or Blavatsky claimed to be freemason,

When did she do this?? Wouldn't it be more important as to whether or not she actually could be or was a freemason? She claimed a lot of things, that hardly means that they are true.

Crowley founded Ordo Templi Orientis.

Crowley was an irregular mason I beleive, not a regular Freemason. And what does this matter anyway??


pacman
Two things seem certain about this story- that Sauniere obviously found something for which some person or group of people were willing to pay him large sums of money

Apparently there is a more mundane explanation for Sauniere's wealth, he sold 'special' masses to wealthy patrons, thousands of them, apparently far too many to have actually been performing them privately. He became rich because of a scam.



posted on Sep, 20 2005 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by James J Dierbeck
Why should anyone believe you that there was only one copy of Dialogue, IN EGYPT, when Christ was popular in Israel?

Well, if you'll recall your history of the various sects, the Gnostics were chased out of Christianity by the Christians themselves. They ended up in Egypt. These texts *are* gnostic (as you've said) and not something taught directly by Jesus' disciples.


#2: My Latin Vulgate Bible uses the word "herb", as does KJV. The verse is about disputing over using herbs in a religious context, in Romans 14:2-4. A dispute over using vegetables as a religious practice makes NO sense in your tampered with Concordance. Explain please!

It wasn't my tampered concordance.

If you'll go back, you will see that I looked at the ORIGINAL VULGATE. In Latin. In fact, I cited the verse in Latin, copied and pasted from the Vulgate.

Then I used a Latin Dictionary. I used an old one that we have around the house and crosschecked it with some online Latin dictionaries.

The original very clearly says "vegetables."



I take it that you don't read Latin, then?



#3: Google "Druid rituals" and learn that the Moloch tradition of Baalism was preserved by Druids. There's your evidence. The May Day BELtaine tradition is related to Baal by name. Bohemian Grove is Scottish Rite Druidic/Moloch rituals.


Except that this rather directly contradicts what Julius Caesar wrote about them (original source of the information about the Druids.) Other Romans who wrote about the Druids (who lived at the time of the Druids and encountered Druids) include Pomponius Mela, Cicero (Cicero writes about a Druid he knows), Pliny, Tacitus, and Nennius.

And yes, if you like, you can read the originals in the original Latin. They do talk about Druidic worship. None of it involves Moloch or the Flaubert-sensationalized "Moloch worship."

I'd love to hear your explaination about why your favorite source contradicts the historians who lived in Britain in 30BC-400 AD and actually talked to Druids.


I have the reference dictionary for the Bible called "Aid to Bible Understanding", researched by JWs, who reportedly have ties to freemasonry. The murder rituals of Baal/Moloch are described there also, in details not in the Bible.

And you never questioned that, of course.


#4: Prove that Protestants had the Apocrypha until the Catholics published it. Your word I can't quote in articles as worth anything.


Again, I think you misunderstood.

Remember, the Protestants arose from the Catholic Church. Until Martin Luther founded the Protestant sect, everyone used the Catholic Bible which has all the apocrypha in it. The old letters that were extracanonical were certainly available and there have been hundreds of books and letters written about them.

Martin Luther was one who decided that the New Testament needed to be written, the apocrypha dropped, and actually he didn't want Revelation in the Bible, either.


[qupte]#5: www.ralphepperson.com...
His facts were supplied by 33rds, besides the fact he's a historian.
He's a "self-styled historian." Yes I know... you don't make a distinction. I do. It has to do with how well they research.

Self-styled historians don't have the resources that the academics do and generally research only one point of view. And, y'know, no other 33rd has ever come forward to offer any confirmation.


Who founded what is at Google also; "Mazzini" "Aliester Crowley + freemason", Anton LaVey + freemason" (founder of the Church of Satan & author of bogus "Satanic Bible"), "Pike +KKK"
www.google.com...

Pike was top US mason, and was openly Luciferian in the famous "Morals and Doctrines" masonic book.

Madame Blavatski or Blavatsky claimed to be freemason, and published Luciferian writings. Crowley founded Ordo Templi Orientis.


Women aren't... and weren't allowed to be Masons (yes, I know the rumors). And Crowley wasn't a Mason. Nor was LaVey. And Pike never advocated worship of Satan.

And none of them worshipped Moloch and (to return to topic) none of them had anything to do with the suppression of the Gnostics. If anything, the romantic revivalist movement of the 1880-1920 era would have gladly leaped on the material and spread it far and wide.



posted on Sep, 20 2005 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan

"The idea that someone can harrass someone on this site is absurd. You came here to talk about this stuff, and now simply because I disagree with some of what you say, I am harrassing you? Feel free to use the ignore button, or, if you really feel harrassed, don't keep talking to me. Duh."

Look up the definition of the insult you REPEATEDLY gave me, as German/Irish American, and Christians, which Heliand readers were. I protested to the slur to you the "moderator" only to be insulted ethnically and religiously AGAIN. Look at your rules of etiquette on the home page, VIOLATOR! HYPOCRITE!
Harrassment on religious and ethnic grounds as "inferior" and "savage" & "uncivilized" is what the word means. Prove it doesn't describe you, rudely insulting as debate strategy.

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"And yet you don't bother to do whats required to read them, such as get the copies that are available."

My library of extra Biblical works is extensive. Please link me to the lost books of the Bogomils I previously listed.


"Please explain who a google on Wesihaupt is supposed to 'verify' anything. Apparently you accept anything in print as true, whether its a 'gospel' from the middle ages claiming to be authored by Christ or stories about illuminati plans to take over the world."

You reject any reference material presented anyhow. If it's Google it's unreliable automatically, by your statement previously. You don't post many links to back up your claims, like the proof that Protestants had the Apocrypha, or proof of sonar exploration.

QUOTE; " I find it extraordinarily ironic and even hypocritical that you can blast the church and the masons for supposed mafia connections, but then in the same breath are reveling in your own immoral, illegal, and murderous connections."

You denied that I know anything about the Mazzini mafia & freemasons. Knowing is why I blast freemasons and mafia. I never killed anyone in the biz, and refused to kill for the mafia masons. You accuse me of being PRESENTLY immoral? Herb was my department, except when selling gov coc aine in 1980-1981. Genesis 1:29-30, Ezekiel 34:29, & Romans 14:2-4 KJV or Latin Vulgate. I gave names and backgrounds on the top mafia in the NW, & you assert still I'm ignorant. Readers can see you're a self proclaimed expert on any subject who refuses to acknowledge truth in his face, or any source but himself, with agenda of discrediting for ATS or NSA or masons.

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"Since the late wyatt is a fraud, his site is attacked with good reason."

The Wyatt site is attacked as anti Bible agenda. I suggest readers Google up his rebuttals to the false claims.


"Thats right, there are freemasons here, there are also anti-freemasons, and all sorts of people that come here. As for it being infiltrated and controlled by secret agents, why are you posting here? If the site is run by 'them', and you are 'revealing' stuff like you claim, then you actually aren't revealing anything since they permit you to."

Many sites have me locked out of posting, that I've never posted at before. Here, they're ready with your same old handbook of strategies; reject any source, character assassinate to exclude ALL evidence related to that person, using slurs & mischaracterizations of statements. I can tell who's been trained by now in Cointelpro tactics. But I'm here because readers aren't under your mind control or influence, as you'd like to think. The silent majority can see your tactics & agenda.



"And, agian, what, specifically, from this site, supports that topic??"

Truthquestonline research page has historic info with reference to sources regarding; Rosslyn Chapel/Knights Templar founding freemasonry & Crusades/Illuminati/ Skull & Bones filmed ritual/ & the very relevant JESUIT OATH TO MURDER FOR THE CHURCH. All those topics have been disputed here.


"This is just plain stupid. Present the evidence that the
druids performed moloch rituals and worshipped Baal."

I DID, at www.infowars.com... Bohemian Grove history and film of the Moloch rituals. Druid ritualism wasn't fabricated by Alex Jones & I, neither it's preservation of Baal/Moloch traditions. Google has many sources to validate the history of Baalism/Moloch/Druidic ritualism. I also provided the freemason connected JW "Aid to Bible Understanding" extraBiblical research into Baal/Moloch that describes the murder rituals in detail. You ignore ALL evidence as non-existent or inadmissable, as part of your full time job here, apparently.


Your [byrd's]word I can't quote in articles as worth anything.

"Entirely laughable."

You laugh then, but your opinion can't be used to post other articles based on. You avoided supplying the proof I asked for WITH that statement:

[quiote]Prove that Protestants had the Apocrypha until the Catholics published it
"Do you even know what the apocrypha are???"

I have the Christian Apocrypha here, and jewish psuedopigrapha, and Gnostic scriptures, and Dead Sea scrolls and Nag Hammadi, Kabbalah, "Lost Books of the Bible", Pistis Sophia, Oahspe, & Mormon books and prophecies from all cultures, & Quran & more. Many books are still unavailable, especially Bogomil and Cathar books, or non extant: not available in book form to add to my library, like Heliand (in English), Junius II. I want a complete library so I can say the Bogomils and Cathars were exterminated over this book (missing).


His facts were supplied by 33rds,

"Anecdotale evidence from un-confirmable or secret sources"

You reject all sources about freemasons not run by freemasons. Epperson facts are verifiable via Google, which you automatically reject also, in your rabid disputation.

"Morals and Doctrines" masonic
book
blind eye to it and spout the same old hash."

His own Luciferian words are there, I've read it.


"Crowley was an irregular mason I beleive, not a regular Freemason. And what does this matter anyway??"

You claimed there's NO freemason Satanists. Anton LaVey, Aliester Crowley, Albert Pike, Madame Blavatsky. The "normal" seem to be more Baalist than Satanic at Bohemian Grove.



posted on Sep, 20 2005 @ 07:04 PM
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QUOTE; "These texts *are* gnostic (as you've said) and not something taught directly by Jesus' disciples."

You ignore the so called "dualist heresy" in the Bible; 1 Timothy 1:20 & 1 Corinthians 5:5, and Job 1:6, & Jude 1:9 & Rev 12:12, & 2 Corinthians 11:14. The Inquisitioners are the heretics.


"will see that I looked at the ORIGINAL VULGATE. In Latin. In fact, I cited the verse in Latin, copied and pasted from the Vulgate."

MY LATIN VULGATE says "herbs" not "vegetables", as does my KJV.

QUOTE; "I'd love to hear your explaination about why your favorite source contradicts the historians who lived in Britain in 30BC-400 AD and actually talked to Druids."

I've never read Flaubert, nor heard of him until this thread, so he's not my source, as I've already explained before. WHY are Moloch rituals
in use at Bohemian Grove?

[/quote;
"And you never questioned that, of course."

And you reject every source that doesn't fit in your little box of acceptable beliefs.

QUOTE; "Until Martin Luther founded the Protestant sect, everyone used the Catholic Bible which has all the apocrypha in it."

This aint your field of expertize, that's clear by that statement! ALL the Apocrypha? WRONG!

[qupte] "And, y'know, no other 33rd has ever come forward to offer any confirmation."

Captain William Morgan violated his enforced oath in publishing about below 33rd rituals, and was abducted & never seen again. With intel agencies masonic, as whistleblower Cooper exposed, the oaths can be enforced, with gov covering up evidence in the name of national security, and was killed by gov. Father Malachi Martin exposed the masonic Jesuit order initiation ritual murders, then was killed. artbell.com

QUOTE;"Women aren't... and weren't allowed to be Masons (yes, I know the rumors)."

Well, explain the "Daughters of Job" and "Order of the Eastern Star" & see masonic gifts & accessories about the "honorable wife" status of women masons.

QUOTE; "And Crowley wasn't a Mason. Nor was LaVey. And Pike never advocated worship of Satan."

Pike advocated LUCIFER worship by his own published words. British masons tried to distance themselves from Crowleys' bad rep by refusing to acknowledge his French Grand master rank, but he was very knowledgeable about masonic rituals, & a stickler for exactness of them. The founder of the Church of Satan and author of the Satanic Bible Anton LaVey WAS SO a mason, and I've not even seen any sites disputing that, so post one. Crowley was friend of the founder of the mafia Mazzini.

QUOTE; "And none of them worshipped Moloch and (to return to topic) none of them had anything to do with the suppression of the Gnostics."
Still saying Alex Jones invented the traditional Moloch rituals at Bohemian Grove? The rituals of Crowley AND LaVey are exactly Baalist, renamed as Satanism. There's NO ancient rituals to Satan. I NEVER said they had anything to do with suppression of Gnostics, that's a lying misrepresentation to make me appear to be in error.



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