russia back to U.S.S.R.

who here thinks that russia might try to go back to being the U.S.S.R. and for thouse who do what proses would they take/when would this happen?

There are groups in Russia that want a return to the olds ways of the Soviet Union. But these seem to be a minority in the country. Its from what I understand not so much trying to return all those ex-member states to the USSR. That I doubt could happen they are all independant countries now with no plans to return to Russian rule.

Russia's not exactly in the best shape politically, economically, and socially. Some people do want a return to a strong goverment and I cant say I blame them.

Originally posted by ShadowXIX
Russia's not exactly in the best shape politically, economically, and socially. Some people do want a return to a strong goverment and I cant say I blame them.

Actually it's the exact opposite.

Russia is growing faster than most, if not all other developed countries in GDP, it is very rich, and everything is "functioning". It started to fall into place after Putin got elected and started to actually do something, as opposed to Yelsin who just drank all the time.

As for the question, yes I definately think that Russia wants USSR back, but not just them.

USSR was great, they beat everything in the olympics, they had the most powerful millitary.......and this would all be the case again if USSR reformed.

The predictions aside, Russia and Belarus are already forming a state such as the former USSR, with some other ex members who may be keen on joining, so in actual fact it's already begun.

The big thing is Ukraine, it's one of the important states needed.

All hell is breaking lose with the government in Ukraine right now, so you never know what's goina happen.....

i think some people in russia want to reform bcos of the general stability of the world at the present moment china and north korea to the east the gulf states below them probably dosnt make them feel secure

Originally posted by Manincloak


Actually it's the exact opposite.

Russia is growing faster than most, if not all other developed countries in GDP, it is very rich, and everything is "functioning".

"very rich??? Russia? They are having some growth yeah but theres only one way to go when you hit rock bottom.

They still have a business climate that discourages both domestic and foreign investors in many cases.

This is because of many reasons one of which is widespread corruption. The Red Mafia is stronger then they have ever been getting into nearly every aspect of business and goverment. That doesn't exactly foster investor confidence.

Say what you will about the Soviets but atleast they could keep the mafia in check.

Oil, natural gas, metals,timber etc.. are the real reason for Russian growth which make up some 80%of its exports. That can leave you vulnerable to swings in world prices. There manufacturing base still needs alot of modernization it there going to achieve broad-based economic growth.

Add a weak banking system and a bunch of other factors and like I said they aint in the Best of shape. Sure everything is "functioning" but much improvement is needed.

If they good just get a grip on the corruption they would be doing so much better as it would very much increase the foreign investment they would get.

Did you know the Neo-Nazi party of Russia scores higher in the polls then the communist party in russia? Scary prospect imo.

Aren't they already? Seems to me Mr Putin's done a fantastic job of straight removal of popular competition against his holding of the Russian Presidency during an election? -- don't you think?

Dallas

The U.S.S.R. came about in a period when there were two major Nation’s, both with nuclear weapons and the polar opposite of one another when it came to their Government. They both had different ideas of how a Nation should be controlled as well as the people within it.

The Capitalist Block formed NATO.
The Communist Block formed the U.S.S.R.

[Not every Capitalist/Communist Nation, but enough.]

Now in reality you have a much more balanced World. America might be the only “Super” power but China, Brazil, India, European Union and Russia are all powerful enough to be able to stand up to the United States if they wished but even better they all have different views on how things should be controlled. Now people know an “Arms Race” doesn’t benefit them so there is no need for the U.S.S.R.

If you mean them going back to Communism, who knows?

A lot of that will depend on China, who I think are a lot nearer to getting a collection of Nation’s around them joining with them like what the U.S.S.R. used to be compared to Russia.

The U.S.S.R. came about in a period when there were two major Nation’s, both with nuclear weapons

Russia became communist around World War I, or do you mean as in the whole of Eastern Europe after World War II when they gained east Europe to defeat Germany?

Originally posted by ShadowXIX

"very rich??? Russia? They are having some growth yeah but theres only one way to go when you hit rock bottom.

Up!

Anywho, the debts have jut about been paid off, the government has.....incredibly large gold reserves, and more money is being spent on everything.

Yes, Russia is wealthy

Originally posted by sardion2000
Did you know the Neo-Nazi party of Russia scores higher in the polls then the communist party in russia? Scary prospect imo.

No it doesn't. Infact I've never even heard of such party.

[edit on 15-9-2005 by Manincloak]

up^ about the gold

if im not mistakin russia has the most gold then any other country right now

Originally posted by mashup

The U.S.S.R. came about in a period when there were two major Nation’s, both with nuclear weapons

Russia became communist around World War I, or do you mean as in the whole of Eastern Europe after World War II when they gained east Europe to defeat Germany?

The U.S.S.R. wasn't a major power till after World War Two and a lot of member states allied with them post WW2, prior to that they were in fact still going through a Civil War in periods.

Originally posted by trust_no_one
up^ about the gold

if im not mistakin russia has the most gold then any other country right now

That's right they do. They have piles and piles of gold.

And have you seen inside the Kremlin? The whole friggin thing is made of gold Saying Russia is poor is ridiculous. They have tonnes of money, so much infact they signed the Kyoto Protocol, unlike America

[edit on 20-9-2005 by Manincloak]

The U.S.S.R was a major power that threatened the western world due to being communist. They weren't allowed into the League of Nations which severly weakend it, along with America and Germany not being allowed to join.

Anyway, communism is a bit silly, they sometimes relly on capitalism (Marx's second stage of becoming communist). They should improve it.

Article on Russian Gold

That gives a brief over-view of the history of Russian Gold, might be helpful to a few of you.

Also, MashUp, I am not 100% sure where you studied politics/sociology, however there is a reason as to why Marxism/Communism actually relies on Capitalism in the Second Stage. This is because of the view Marx held on the 'word' Capitalism. He actually thought that any Nation which exploits one group of people/has one social under-class [at least 1] actually is a Capitalist Nation due to his views that Capitalism is worker explotation.

Well I'm currently doing the U.S.S.R in my GCSE history class. Apologies to any mistakes I make.

Originally posted by mashup
Well I'm currently doing the U.S.S.R in my GCSE history class. Apologies to any mistakes I make.

Nah, it's no problem.

I never got the chance to do it at GCSE, but a few of my friends did I hope you enjoy it.

I studied it in my politics and sociology class, and I hit on it this year a bit in A2 History although I know a fair bit about Marxism/Communism/Whateverism, due to being part Russian.

Best of luck with School.

Originally posted by Odium
The U.S.S.R. came about in a period when there were two major Nation’s, both with nuclear weapons and the polar opposite of one another when it came to their Government. They both had different ideas of how a Nation should be controlled as well as the people within it.

The Capitalist Block formed NATO.
The Communist Block formed the U.S.S.R.

I though those Communist countries formed the Warsaw Pact.


Stand up to the U.S -

Brazil = Never
India = in 25 or 30 years (if it even wants too)
EU = Never (political differences)
China = Won't because of major trade
Russia = Same as China

mod edit. shorten quote. please quote only what is needed to make your point.

[edit on 21-9-2005 by DontTreadOnMe]

I too believe Russia is attempting to return to its former self.Just in a more undercover and quite way.I know this because of Russia`s stance to towards many of the the major events that have occured this year and this past couple of years.

With the Iranian nuclear"situation",Russia stands firm on the side of Iran .So is China.This is very unusual for a country that is supposed to be one of the U.S`s/EU`s allies.Russia also doesnt comment much on N.koreas problem.Sure you see many of russias politicians along with the E.U`s AND THE US`s politicians having talks with N.korea and trying ot make deals but thats only a smokescreen.In reality Russia does stand against many of what the U.S believes in.

Like another member just commented earlierabout Ukraine.It is indeed an important state to gain back inorder to successfully bring back the U.S.S.R but it is not an absolute vital part.Russia also needs Kazakistan and the baltic states(Lithuania,Latvia and Estonia) back.These countries are stratigically important in manyways interms of location,land,and influence.I believe russia will have enough influence to gain these states back because many of them having nothing going for them being soverieng.Sure the baltic states are gaining a chance to joing the EU but this wont make them much of and influence than when they were apart of the U.S.S.R(remember that by the late 19th and the start of the 20th century much of the U.S.S.R`s political control were by politicians that came from the Baltic states.)

Russia will never get Ukraine back,its already been pulled to the west.

I believe that slowly Russia will become the soviet union again or something similar to that.And by the time it returns to its formerself again,the world will start to realise then and there of its form.I dont think the union will use communism again though..

And about russian development.It is indeed still a very rich country and it still has an almost seemly endless amounts of resources.Its due to the nations corruptness with its governments and its unbalanced income rate between the rich and poor(much like South Africas)that has caused its GNP rate to be so low.

GDP for russia:$2,800 U.S
GDP for U.S: $24,000 U.S
GDP for China: $500(and increasing rapidly)

By the way,im unsure if many of you have heard this but Russia,China and South Africa have agreed to sign a pack to back Irans nuclear use.BBC information.



[edit on 2-10-2005 by blackSt33L]

Well, NWguy83, the major differnece between NATO and the Warsaw Pact group was the fact N.A.T.O. did not have member states 'forced' into it, through control of their Government.

The members of the Warsaw Pact pretty much became states of the U.S.S.R. and absorbed into it.

blackSt33l, Russia didn't just stand on the side of Iran I do believe they also told them to let the inspectors stay their and display what they are really doing. [Not making weapons.]

Russia won't go back to the U.S.S.R. the same people are in control now as were before so there is no need. The U.S.S.R. was a system of control and they have kept the control and now just have 'elections'. Which can be clear by who gets into power. Look at Putin...look at his ability as a leader. Russia has the ability to be one of the richest, strongest Nation's on this Earth.

Is it? No.

Will it be? One day.

Will it go back to Communism? No, Socialism maybe but not Communism.