TC & Amuk
You guys crack me up.
Welcome to ATS Ed.
Ed Kostiuk, 50, drove from Oklahoma City to aid the search. He's a safety officer and medical assistant for Oklahoma and served as a Marine for 30
He also helped when terrorists attacked the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, and when an earthquake ripped apart a portion of the Bay Bridge in
San Francisco in 1989.
Is this you?
(Above from: www.floridatoday.com...
You were also a bioterrorism management official, no? Still are perhaps?
So that begs the question, why haven't the disease research facilities in NO been in the news? Do the biohazard research facilities in NO pose a
danger to the people in the city? Have the post-flood refugees been contaminated with something you're not telling us about?
When FEMA runs their scenarios for NO, do they take into account the presence of the bioterror research facilities? Do y'all factor that into the
Seems to me that you should be more worried about floodwaters contaminated with plague and anthrax, rather than razorblades concealed in apples (such
an urban myth) donated by Okies for the benefit of refugees.
Page 1 stated: I packed up two car loads of us and headed over to Falls Creek. In the Emergency Management Community we have asked the population over
and over not to "self deploy" and the following reason are given for such request.
Ugh. So people are being instructed not to take responsibility for their fellow citizens, despite the fact that the refugees have complained
vociferously about a lack of basic necessities.
I think FEMA telling people to stop being charitable is a big mistake, the sort practically guaranteed to boomerang around and bite your organization
in the ass.
Telling people not to self-deploy is a very, very big mistake. Americans NEED to take more responsibility for their lives and their decisions. If
people want to help, let them. It's not just helping the refugees yaknow, it's helping the helpers immensely.
This is just the sort of proclamation that makes people resentful of the government.
Prior to Jesse Jackson making his comments our Governor and the State Officer of Emergency Management asked all Oklahomans to please refrain from
using words such as refugees and displaced people. We were asked to use the wording "Oklahoma Guest". This went out on the media here in Oklahoma
and in print.
The author of this report continues to use the term refugee throughout the paper.
Well, I'm a writer, and I think I'll use the term that fits best. Similarly, I defend Val's use of whatever term she desires. Jesse Jackson and
OK FEMA can use whatever term they like best, but when you start telling people how to speak, you cross a very real border.
One of the primary reasons for using Falls Creek was the picturesque area and having the ability by faith-based groups to allow these folks the
ability to put their lives back to normal, as much as possible, without having the press and lot’s of concerned citizens hound them for interviews
and “how was it”.
So this was done for their own good? Did they request this sort of location? Have the refugees themselves got anything to say about this state of
affairs? I think they do, and it aint "I wanna be up the woods, removed from civilization and hundreds of miles from the home I left behind."
Nope. Not by a long shot. I would wager green money that the refugees want to be as close to their homes as possible, not stuck up in a cabin in the
mountains. While this life would suit me quite nicely, it makes most people crazy.
We knew from the start that we needed additional security at the site so Oklahoma Highway Patrol officers were assigned in double shifts to protect
those “guest” from the media and other “well concerned citizens”.
Wow. You totally just went there. You brought in the Okie highway patrol to protect the New Orleans refugees from well meaning Okie citizens? Is
logic dead, did I miss the funeral?
Is this what FEMA does now? Y'all have turned your attention away from mitigating disasters and towards protecting citizens from the kindness of
How freakin' bizarre...
She states her daughter “turned and snapped a picture of his vehicle (Page 5)—very conspicuously”. There was no reason for some James Bond type
of picture taking OHP officers are very friendly and will allow their photo’s and that of their cruisers to be taken.
James Bond would have taken the picture INconspicuously. I think you got your concepts confused. There was no subterfuge involved here.
The reason (page 7) for not allowing clothes was the fact we need to ensure they are clean and in good order. We have over the years at disasters
received soiled and dirty diapers, ripped clothes and other related items by well meaning citizens. We now have retired ladies who help us select
clothes that can be used by these folks. I have photos’ of thousands of clothes at Fall Creek that were standing by ready to be delivered to these
This makes total sense to me, as far as screening the clothes before giving them to the regufees. This fact should have no bearing on your ability to
take the donations offered.
It's downright rude to refuse a gift yaknow.
(Page 8) The occupants of the camp cannot leave the camp for any reason. That is true once they were placed on the busses we had no way to determine
their medical status. They have been exposed to several elements and prior to allowing them off camp we wanted to have them checked out by the Doctors
and Nurses we had lined up at Falls Creek (Page 15 the people in the blue jump suits). We also had 22 ambulances standing by for medical emergencies.
We had a similar camp in Northern Oklahoma and had 4 medical emergencies the night these good folks arrived and they needed immediate transport to a
local hospital. Many of these US Citizens arrived with pre-existing medical conditions.
So they're in voluntary medical quarantine? If they stick around they get food, shelter, medical attention, clothing, and a little bit of cash, if
they leave they can't return?
Why is that, liability issues or something more sinister? I'm really curious about that bit.
The reason your “pop-tarts” were accepted is they are sealed in an enclosed package and are “tamper proof”. We are trying to protect our
Louisiana friends from the criminal element and bad people that might want harm done to them.
What are we, 6 years old? Jesus christ. Is Al-Qaeda targetting the refugees with cyanide-dipped candy corn?
"Why did the bad man fly the plane into the building?"
"He hated freedom Billy. He hated freedom."
Do you honestly buy this explanation, or are you just paid to parrot it?
This is the reason Apples and Oranges were not allowed. I wonder if this lady allowed her children to go around on Thanksgiving and accept open candy
I certainly freakin' hope so. Prove to me that haloween fruit has ever killed anyone, and I'll shut up and go away. Thing is, it hasn't, ever (to
my knowledge). The whole cautionary tale is bogus, completely unfounded, paranoid to the nth degree, a big fat stinking urban myth.
But "BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID..OF EVERYTHING!" Right?
The toys she refers to must first be checked. We have had “Christian groups” donate toys such as swords, toy guns and other devices that usually
mean harm donated to our causes over the years so we check them closely before allowing any kids to play with them.
I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Is FEMA going to take over parenting responsibilities as well? This should be interesting...
The meals were going to be provided by the American Red Cross and the Salvation Army. We at the Health Department were requiring that they eat hot
food with plenty of vegetables not the “junk food” that this lady stated she was brining. Snacks were to be laid out during the day and night for
their use, but meals which included the basic food groups were required 3 times a day.
So now FEMA is speaking for the refugees under its control when it comes to minor things like diet choices?
I think, no, I KNOW, the refugees are going to have a problem with that fact.
Mod Edit: Removed phone number
I have a question. What on earth gave you the bright idea to post your telephone number? You realize just how many people might be calling you as a
result, don't you?
Oh, man. I'm a fortune teller, a visionary. I see..I see..your future! You're changing something..changing..changing..CHANGING YOUR NUMBER!
That'll just be $29.95 please.
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