Rebuttal to "I just got back from a FEMA Detainment Camp, page 2
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reply posted on 11-9-2005 @ 02:50 PM by Netchicken
Ed Kostiuk accidently created another thread, here is his post from it...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

That thread has been locked so this one can continue with the discussion.
This is his post ....

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Page 12....There were buses coming in the front gate at about a rate of 1 every 2 or 3 minutes...We could hear them below us as we walked back up the hill...we could see their white tops through the trees...


No what you heard was the 22 ambulances we posted at the SITE..we NEVER had anyone show up from Texas or Louisiana in buses at Falls Creek. As of this date Sunday Sept 11, 2005 we still do not have anyone at Falls Creek

The small town of Davis population of 2,000 have opened their arms and hearts to anyone who might have been impacted by Katrina. They were very offended when I forwarded them your comments about their "little town". They are "Okies" and very proud of the fact they can lend a hand to any "guest" of Oklahoma


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reply posted on 11-9-2005 @ 03:18 PM by Sri Oracle
Originally posted by edkostiuk
The reason your “pop-tarts” were accepted is they are sealed in an enclosed package and are “tamper proof”. We are trying to protect our Louisiana friends from the criminal element and bad people that might want harm done to them. This is the reason Apples and Oranges were not allowed. I wonder if this lady allowed her children to go around on Thanksgiving and accept open candy from strangers.

Ed Kostiuk
Oklahoma State Dept of Health
Emergency Management


Hrmmm... criminal intent... harm done to them....

From kelloggs interactive website:

Kellogg's Pop-Tarts Cookies 'n Creme

Ingredients:

Wheat Flour, Sugar, Dextrose, Vegetable Oil, Invert Sugar Syrup, Glucose Syrup, Fat Reduced Cocoa Powder, Milk Whey Powder, Milk Sugar, Salt, Modified Starch, Flavouring, Raising Agent (Sodium Hydrogen Carbonate, Diphosphates), Colour (Titanium Dioxide, Caramel (E150d), Carmine), Emulsifier (E417, E481, Soy Lecithin), Stabiliser (Sodium Alginate), Calcium Sulphate, Beef Gelatin, Dried Egg White.

That would be:

REFINED GRAINS, SUGAR, SUGAR, OIL, SUGAR, SUGAR, CAFFEINE, milk whey powder, SUGAR, SALT, CHEMICALLY ALTERED STARCH, ummm... FLAVOR... right, INORGANIC SALTS, and then we get into the E999's

Oklahoma State Dept of Health, may I ask... How are you protecting the HEALTH of these people by taking away APPLES and ORANGES and "allowing" them a chemical concoction, bent on addicting people with refined grains, sugar, and caffeine?


protect our Louisiana friends from the criminal element and bad people that might want harm done to them


You should begin with the agrobusiness giants. They are the enemy.

Certainly NOT mom and pop offering fresh fruit to displaced peoples seeking refuge.

I am just disgusted with the "if no bar code and plastic package then unacceptable" mentality.

Welcome to Zion my Brother... food grows on the Trees here.

Sri Oracle



PS: from wikipedia: SHILL An associate of a person selling a good or service, who pretends no association and assumes the air of an enthusiastic customer. The intention of the shill is, using crowd psychology, to encourage other potential customers, unaware of the set-up, to purchase said good or service.

Usually, shills are employed by confidence artists. Their use is often illegal, though this varies as the precise definition of what comprises "shilling" is debatable.


Ed, be a servant of the American public, not a slave to industry.


reply posted on 11-9-2005 @ 03:38 PM by loam
Originally posted by AgentSmith
Can we try and keep it a little bit more serious and not nitpick?
It makes us look like uneducated morons, it's rare to get a first hand response to these issues and we should embrace it rather than start a tomato throwing contest.


AgentSmith: you are absolutely right.

Enough folks. Ed did not have to come on and reply. Moreover, I think there are way too many assumptions flying on this thread. I've asked the Mods if it was ok to post this, but haven't heard a reply yet. If I'm violating some rule, I apologize in advance for that. BUT, I think people need to see this post of Ed's from another site. I think it gives a better perspective of where he is coming from, and helps defend him a bit- at least in my eyes. (Hope you don't mind Mr. Kostiuk.)

lists.iaem.com...



I don't really feel that the appointment of the VP is another layer. It is simply a matter of good politics and making sure the White House has a face in that region for the voters to see they are activity involved in the recovery activity. Like it or not this is what the average voter wants to see. How many times has the media asked over the past several days "Who's in Charge"? Well here is your answer.

Over the past two years working at the State level I have shielded myself with facts, figures, plans and resources and forgot about the human side. I have actually, until the other night, gotten to the point where catastrophic events such as this are a matter of routine programming…meaning get to the EOC stand up this, do that etc. This in turn placed that barrier around me in which I forgot about the 3 year old boy looking me in the eyes. I had to wonder the other night looking at his little eyes if he was wondering who I was and how I was going to help. I managed to find a teddy bear at the local Wal-Greens and give it to him. All the while he was hiding behind mom peeking out just enough to try to figure out who this man was and why did he come into my world.

I think we sometimes get so wrapped up in our planning to these events that we forget that we must focus on the needs of “real people” and the “human factor”. The political world overshadows the real world and real needs. Look at your kids, your wives (husbands) your family, everything that you own as ask yourself this “If I were to lose it all and have nothing and be told I must temporary move to another state would you really give a damn who or what was in charge?” No you would want to “self preserve” and rebuild your life as quickly as possible.

Everyone including everyone one of us on this list failed. We have spent billions on Terrorism prevention and preparedness but we have robbed Peter to give to Paul. Quit sending funding overseas to other countries and give back to those OEM at the State Level. Don’t create more bureaucracy by funneling funding through State DHS offices but give it to the States directly to give local EM what they need. One area the Feds could improve in “don’t take the majority of tax dollars but leave them at the State Level for providing their own needs and their own protection use”. We have communities here in Oklahoma that have not have EWS systems that were purchased in the 1950's for the old Civil Defense. However, we can send billions overseas to foreign countries to improve their life styles and not take care of our own citizens.

Working the State EOC for the past several days I am appalled at what our State Senators and Federal Representatives have allowed by the deterioration of this facility. They are working with limited funds all the while watching as “terrorism prevention” builds up something that may never be used. It just makes me sick and sick to be an American.

Who failed in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama? WE ALL DID!




[edit on 11-9-2005 by loam]


reply posted on 11-9-2005 @ 03:40 PM by Valhall
Ed,

I was wondering if you could answer the following questions:

1. With the exception of curfews, will the occupants of the camp be allowed to leave and return to the camp once they have been checked out by the medical teams? I'm asking will they have the personal freedom to come and go from the camp? I understand there might need to be a pass system and a log-in/log-out system, but I'm asking if they will be able to come and go freely - within reason.

2. Will OEMA/OHP be supplying transportation for them? And if so, what kind of limitations will this have? Will it only be at certain times of days and only to specific locations?

3. Will the occupants of the camp be allowed to have visitors? If so, what type of restrictions will be in place?

4. Will the members of the churches owning the cabins be able to go in and cook meals for their guests? If not, why did you say that the camp was chosen for "having the ability by faith-based groups to allow these folks the ability to put their lives back to normal, as much as possible, without having the press and lot’s of concerned citizens hound them for interviews and “how was it”. "?

5. Will the churches that own the cabins be allowed to send buses and vans so that any occupants of the camp will be allowed to attend church services if they so choose?

6. Will the children be integrated into the local public school systems? (Davis, Sulphur, etc.)

7. Why were we told that FEMA would only be serving two meals per day when you are saying they will be provided three meals per day? Which is it - 2 or 3?

8. Why was it necessary to have the military in the camp when there was already an immense OHP presence? I live in a town of about 2000 people and we have two cop cars and no more than 6 city cops. Why such a huge "security presence for 3000 people?

REMOVED 9 - I figured this one out on my own.

Thanks.




[edit on 9-11-2005 by Valhall]


reply posted on 11-9-2005 @ 03:53 PM by AgentSmith
I've decided to post the post I deleted earlier anyway, and added a bit:

I imagine that clothes and toys are not sorted on site and the staff used are not based there.
There would be a logistical problem in having to ship all the goods out to be sorted and then shipping them back, which would probably be more expensive than even getting cheaper ones.
What people have to remember, rightly or wrongly, is that there is tons of red tape to be cut through.

The idea behind the location makes perfect sense, there is nothing worse than having the media hounding you in your hour of need. They don't need that, I sure as hell wouldn't want it and most people wouldn's either.
Having a bunch of well meaning people in your face is highly irritating as well, anyone that doesn't understand either of these comments either has a different personality to a lot of people or has been fortunate enough not to ever be in a dire situation.

With regards to the food, you can only imagine the spin that the media would put on things if these people are fed 'crap' food instead of the nutricious food that we are so often being told we should eat.

I can see the headlines now 'Food not good enough for everyone else good enough for New Orleans Refugees'.

The sealed tamper proof foods being accepted make perfect sense too.

The quarantining of people also makes a lot of sense, there are any number of contagious diseases that some of them may be carrying. Some may have relatively long incubation periods with few or no symptoms early on.

All these things have to be thought of and dealt with, the public would be the first to complain if someone from a camp managed to infect locals because 'No quarantine plan was in place - Government messes up again'.

At the end of the day the elected people are in place to think of and deal with these emergencies, tax payers pay for their training and their expertise are what count. That's why there is training, not everyone has the knowledge of how to deal with these situations and the experience and forsight to overcome them.
A simple solution on the outside has many complications on the inside, if it is not dealt with in a proper manner than the repercussions can be very bad.
Unfortunatly Political correctness plays a big part of it, and also trying to avoid the chances of any negative spin being put on things by the media, who are probably the biggest culprits.

The media are also the worst culprits for false and misleading information, people complain the story is always changing, but where's it coming from... the media..

The best thing anyone can do if they really want to do something is to get into politics themselves and to be more careful about who they vote for in the future. Like it or lump it that's what it boils down to.

I guess everyone is just trying to do their job the best way they can in the circumstances and with the restrictions they have to work under.
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