'Christian' adoption agency rejects Catholics

Originally posted by Relentless
It burns me that with all the obstacles there are in this country to adoption in the first place that this would be an issue, especially if any public funds are involved.

THAT's what I was (poorly) aiming at! If public funds are involved,
WHY are they going to groups that are non-inclusive? Why aren't they
going to non-profit groups that don't discriminate? THAT's what the
purpose of this thread was supposed to be! UGH.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by defcon5
WHERE DO YOU GET THIS FROM???
I suggest that you go do a bit of research into things
before you make a statement like this.

Already DID do research.
'The Facts about Luther'
ISBN 0-89555-322-8
Ask for it at your library or book store.
It's highly educational and packed full of
well documented quotes of his 'contemporaries'

many more biblically unfounded and
biblically opposed BS doctrines.

Nope. Nothing in the Catholic faith opposes scripture.
As far as 'biblically unfounded' ... try reading the biblical
quotes already posted. NOT ALL TRUTH is found in the
bible and the bible says so.

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

That means MARY ISNT a mediator... therefor prayingto her is usless, amoung many other passages.

Re Baptisim

Act 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

What hinders a person from being baptized? Believing in their Hearts, somthing a child cant do.


Well of course there is truth outside of the bible. The Truth is my first name is Todd... I dont find that in the bible, but it is truth.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Whats this? Scripture is given so that the man of God may be perfect (in knowledge of christian condut)... Wow... guess then all I need its Gods Word on the Issue and not mans oppinion (tridition) Oh what else does the bible say...

1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

"ye need not that any man teach you" Well would not the triditions of men be a man teaching me?

Originally posted by Relentless
Well, obviously the discussion of the original topic has been derailed by the need to tell Catholics what is wrong with them.

For the future, there is now a thread to help any of you avoid this impulse every time you see the word again.

Knock yourselves out.

www.belowtopsecret.com...

Well actualy the discussion of Catholisim Doctrine is KEY to this discussion. The fact is the adoption agency has a Doctrinial Statment, and they feel that RC Doctrine conflict with theirs, and because of that they dont adopt out to them.

Then FF quoted a source that said "their priest sees no diffrences in doctrine" or to that liking.

So in order to prove that point wrong one needs to see that there are vast diffrences between christian and roman catholic teachings.

But futhermore, what is so wrong with being selective to who you adopt to? Not that I would ever put up a child of mine for adoption, but If i did, I would be very selective of who would raise my child.

Aside from that.. There is a big diffrence between showing someone they are wrong. The "Bashing" them. I mean would there not be a diffrence of me debating with someone who thinks the world is flat by showing them documentation/pictures to prove they are wrong, then saying "you stupid idiot for thinking the world is flat, you good for nothing loser of an idiot" The later would defenatly be a bash, but the first is a correction of an error. I mean parents do it all the time with their children but you dont accuse them of bashing.

Further thou I would ask, Why is this in the conspiracies section? Nothing is being done secreativly here for some biggger plot. Its mearly a debate over a groups choise of actions. Thats hardly a conspiracie. I Vote that this post be moved out of the "Conspiracies in Religion" area to another area more suted for debating groups policy

[edit on 7/16/2005 by phalcon]

[edit on 7/16/2005 by phalcon]

Originally posted by phalcon

Aside from that.. There is a big diffrence between showing someone they are wrong. The "Bashing" them. I mean would there not be a diffrence of me debating with someone who thinks the world is flat by showing them documentation/pictures to prove they are wrong, then saying "you stupid idiot for thinking the world is flat, you good for nothing loser of an idiot" The later would defenatly be a bash, but the first is a correction of an error. I mean parents do it all the time with their children but you dont accuse them of bashing.

There is bashing in this thread, and it's is the attempting to show Catholics they are wrong. No one faith can prove to another that their beliefs are wrong, if only for the fact that you cannot prove that other faiths are right. It's all a matter of your own perception and beliefs, none of it is provable right or wrong.

Everyone just has to get over that!

By the way, there is a big difference between a statement of faith and doctrine.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

THAT's what I was (poorly) aiming at! If public funds are involved,
WHY are they going to groups that are non-inclusive? Why aren't they
going to non-profit groups that don't discriminate? THAT's what the
purpose of this thread was supposed to be! UGH.

For what feels like the fortieth time - BECAUSE THE FUNDS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ADOPTERS - they are funds to assist women who have chosen adoption over abortion.

And for what feels like the fortieth time - WHY ISN'T THIS GOOD ENOUGH?

Val,

Thanks for stating the truth. FF gets pretty vile with me because of my stance on RCC doctrine. Youve seen everything thats been said about me here. Now scroll up and look at my posts.

The second post in this thread did indeed bring that very doctrine into the discussion, and it is indeed central to the issue.

Since the money was given freely, there is no requirment not to accept.
The second argument made was that a priest says RCC doctrine is no different then that protestant doctrine.
Hence, my post.

In my post, I showed that the doctrine on one hand is different then what is done with the other. RCC teachings being propagated are different the the agency beliefs.
Case closed.

Catholic is catholic, protestant is protestant. They are not the same.
Mary is not a virgin, mary did not get taken up, she died a normal human death, mary is not queen of heaven, mary cannot protect us or intercede for us or do anything for us. Only Jesus Christ.
The agency does not want to condemn the children to that doctrine.



Thanks


1Pe 3:13 And who is he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good?
1Pe 3:14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;
1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
1Pe 3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

PS

FF, with you being the example of Roman Catholic, ...you only reinforce the adoption agency's position. Read your words and ask yourself
"Would mary have said that?"

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I say take away the funding from this organization and give to one more worthy of the cause. The people are not "Christian" if they truly play the games mentioned in the article.

Another typical group who thinks there way is the better one, and then proceeds to show what a$$es they are. I'm trying not to be judgemental, but call it as I see it.

They are funded for the most part by the church.

You cant take it away.
So your saying that no religion is allowed to be exclusive? Who are you?
You feel that they should have to give up their religious freedom in order to help kids?

The interfaith aka ecumenical aka unity movement is not Jesus's movement.
Jesus was very exclusive and still is.

Where would you draw the line madman?

RCC?
Muslim?
Mormon?
JW's?
Satanist?
Humanist?

Do they have to serve children to all those?
I want to hear your answer for each