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Originally posted by Evolution Cruncher
How many scientists are there? Thousands? 45 isnt really alot...
Or do you mean percent?
That makes more sense. However even though 45% of scientists are Christian you tend to find that around 98% of them support evolution.
yeah I forgot the % sign.
and they probably claim to support evolution only to keep their job. there have been many cases where people got fired for believing in ID or creation and not evolution. many teachers have been fired and many scientists have been dismissed just because of what they believe in.
EC
Originally posted by Evolution Cruncher
there are many other examples of people being thought as quack or fraud just becuase they think of something that doesnt quite agree with the scientific community. teachers have been fired just for passing out scientific journals that contradict darwins theory.
Einstein said that nothing could exceed the speed of light. he was wrong.
but at the same time, the more he studied the universe the more he believed in a higher power.
Originally posted by Evolution Cruncher
here are some examples of people being for making claims that did not agree with the scientific community.
Columbus- said that the earth was round. everyone said he was crazy and that he was going to fall off of the edge of the earth.
Bruno- was burned at the stake for claiming that the earth was not the center of the universe.
Galileo- was imprisoned for teaching that the earth moved around the sun.
The Wright Brothers- ridiculed for claiming they had a machine that could fly.
Galen- announced the atomic theories but was bitterly opposed.
Vesalius- was denounced as an impostor abd heretic because of his discoveries in the field of human anatomy.
William Harvey- was disgraced as a physician for believing that blood was pumped by the heart through the arteries.
William Roentgen- the discoverer of X-Rays, at first was called a quack and then condemed out of fear that the X-Ray would invade the privacy of the bedroom.
Willliam Jenner- when he first developed the vaccine for smallpox, also was called a quack.
Ignaz Semmelweis- was fired first from Vienna Hospital and then many other hospitals just because he required his staff to wash their hands in between patients.
there are many other examples of people being thought as quack or fraud just becuase they think of something that doesnt quite agree with the scientific community.
Einstein said that nothing could exceed the speed of light. he was wrong.
but at the same time, the more he studied the universe the more he believed in a higher power.
teachers have been fired just for passing out scientific journals that contradict darwins theory.
never have i heard such nonsense from another fellow ats member. i wouldn't mind knowing where you copied all that, most likely from some useless source on the internet.
No. He was agnostic.
Who told Columbus that the world was flat?
There is a possibility that life originated on another planet and came here on meteorites or comets. It has been proven that bacteria could survive an impact such as this.
b) evolution is a process, not an event
c) care to explain how we got from adam and eve to 6 billion people in just 10,000 years ?
at my school we barely got anything that showed darwin's theory was right.
Now answer the question about who all these sacked teachers are and where they go.
you've also got it the wrong way round. it was the christian church that stifled new scientific ways of thinking, just like they did with darwin, and just like they do today.
Originally posted by Evolution Cruncher
yeah probably because its not right. its a fantacy. he even wrote in his book that he sometimes feels that he had devoted himself to a fantasy. read it.
uh no. christians have always known that the earth is round. it even says so in the bible. the bible even says that the sun causes the wind. the bible is indeed scientific.
Originally posted by Evolution Cruncher
yeah I forgot the % sign.
and they probably claim to support evolution only to keep their job.
there have been many cases where people got fired for believing in ID or creation and not evolution.
many teachers have been fired and many scientists have been dismissed just because of what they believe in.
but at the same time, the more he studied the universe the more he believed in a higher power.
and yes he was thought to be crazy because of that belief he had
I learned that in 3rd grade. heck, they even put that in disney movies.
Micro evolution is a fact, all others are religious/theory/never proven.
he even wrote in his book that he sometimes feels that he had devoted himself to a fantasy. read it.
uh no. christians have always known that the earth is round. it even says so in the bible.
Originally posted by Evolution Cruncher
Who told Columbus that the world was flat?
im not sure that someone told him that the earth was flat but many people taught it as a fact at that time and yes he was thought to be crazy because of that belief he had. I learned that in 3rd grade. heck, they even put that in disney movies.
EC
Bull#. Teachers may have been let go for breaking the law and instructing students in their religion during class times, but they haven't been fired simply for beleiving in creationism.
Originally posted by Evolution Cruncher
its not against the law to teach creation, it is against the law to require it, but its not against the law to teach it at all.. if you want me to look that up too. i will, just give me some time. I have a real job and dont have much time to discuss things on this forum much anymore.
EC
Originally posted by riley
I do think it is illegal to teach religion [creation] in a US public school [without parental consent] so yes I would appreciate it if you could verify it's not.
A state/district/school CAN'T ban the teaching of evolution.
The 1968 Supreme Court decision, Epperson v Arkansas, struck down antievolution laws such as that under which John T. Scopes was tried in 1925 in Tennessee. Noting that antievolution laws were passed because they offended certain religious views, the court wrote,
... the First Amendment does not permit the state to require that teaching and learning must be tailored to the principles or prohibitions of any religious sect or dogma... ...the state has no legitimate interest in protecting any or all religions from views distasteful to them.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
Originally posted by riley
I do think it is illegal to teach religion [creation] in a US public school [without parental consent] so yes I would appreciate it if you could verify it's not.
and so it should be illegal. why should a child of muslim, hindu, buddist background be 'forced' to learn about christianity at school and vice versa.
however, the 'illegal' manner of teaching christianity without a parent's consent, means that they are teaching that god made the universe, god made us, jesus performed miracles, which i think you should not have to learn about that at school. it's neither the time nor place.
you may say 'so why isn't science illegal to teach in schools'? well the difference is, is that science doesn't focus just on evolution, there are so many other parts of science. now if you are from a religious background and have strong beliefs about doing science at school i'm certain you do not have to do it...there are other options. however, by not doing science i believe you will be dumber for doing so. science has a lot to offer, all religious people need to do is to ignore their prejudice views that are getting in the way.
Originally posted by kenshiro2012
Riley,
EC is correct that there is no law to ban the teaching of creationism in public schools.
... the First Amendment does not permit the state to require that teaching and learning must be tailored to the principles or prohibitions of any religious sect or dogma... ...the state has no legitimate interest in protecting any or all religions from views distasteful to them.
I do not agree that ID or creation in of themselves should be taught in class but that they should at least be discussed (introduced) as an alternate theory (hate to use that word ) and point the students to the library / parents / religious leader to learn more.