Strange black figure... advice?

Originally posted by Umbrax
Shadows are most defiantly not hallucinations.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
34 people on this thread alone have written about their own experience. And these are credible people like mods and long time members of ATS.
Sure maybe one or two people can be discredited by saying they were hallucinating but not this many.

It is estimated that one out of every four people is mentally ill or will suffer mental illness of some kind at some point in their life. You are saying that of the 1,700 or so people posting too this site (dedicated to conspiracies and bizarre phenomena) daily only a very small percentage of them have seen this. That adds no credibility, neither does their status as moderators add any weight at all to their claims. Moderator status is no guarantee they skipped their medication this morning.
There is no college degree in internet forum moderation, there is no expertise involved.
It won't hold up in courts of law or halls of science or medical journals.

Basically what you are saying is if a bunch of people post implausible material, and mods corroborate this material, you will just believe it. Or that others should just believe it based on that?

I can't even count the number of times I've witnessed people who have "seen things", or said they have seen things, or said they were channeling some spirit simply because they want to be a part of something, they want to be paid attention to.

Only personal experience is "true", everyone else's word and sanity is suspect.

Originally posted by Legalizer

It is estimated that one out of every four people is mentally ill or will suffer mental illness of some kind at some point in their life. You are saying that of the 1,700 or so people posting too this site (dedicated to conspiracies and bizarre phenomena) daily only a very small percentage of them have seen this. That adds no credibility, neither does their status as moderators add any weight at all to their claims. Moderator status is no guarantee they skipped their medication this morning.
There is no college degree in internet forum moderation, there is no expertise involved.
It won't hold up in courts of law or halls of science or medical journals.

Basically what you are saying is if a bunch of people post implausible material, and mods corroborate this material, you will just believe it. Or that others should just believe it based on that?

I can't even count the number of times I've witnessed people who have "seen things", or said they have seen things, or said they were channeling some spirit simply because they want to be a part of something, they want to be paid attention to.

Only personal experience is "true", everyone else's word and sanity is suspect.

I take it that you have not seen this phenomenom. Since only personal experience is true then I must tell you that from my personal experience, they do exist. But then how can you tell if this is really my personal experience or just my word? Does this post make me suspect?

Originally posted by Legalizer
Basically what you are saying is if a bunch of people post implausible material, and mods corroborate this material, you will just believe it. Or that others should just believe it based on that?

No. basically what I'm saying is when so many people have seen the same or similar thing you can't dismiss all of it as hallucinations .

Only personal experience is "true", everyone else's word and sanity is suspect.

My personal experience is that I've seen a shadow figure and when people I know to be trustworthy say they have seen one, I believe them.
If 4 of your family members said they seen a shadow figure you would tell them they are mentally ill?

Originally posted by Legalizer
Only personal experience is "true", everyone else's word and sanity is suspect.

Although, I did not experience this myself, I personally know a couple of cousins of mine who have seen these shadows too...

...there existence is more likely real...

[edit on 4-7-2005 by mwen]

It is estimated that one out of every four people is mentally ill or will suffer mental illness of some kind at some point in their life. You are saying that of the 1,700 or so people posting too this site (dedicated to conspiracies and bizarre phenomena) daily only a very small percentage of them have seen this. That adds no credibility, neither does their status as moderators add any weight at all to their claims. Moderator status is no guarantee they skipped their medication this morning.
There is no college degree in internet forum moderation, there is no expertise involved.
It won't hold up in courts of law or halls of science or medical journals.

So going by rough statistics you are refutings everyone's claims as mental illness? Look at the number of claims on this board alone. Mass accounts of seeing shadow people rule out that statistic.

Basically what you are saying is if a bunch of people post implausible material, and mods corroborate this material, you will just believe it. Or that others should just believe it based on that?

Why not? Of these people are trustworthy members that have made outstanding contributions to the forum. It makes no sense why they would sacrifice any of their reputation as a respected member just so they could have their place in the spotlight.

I can't even count the number of times I've witnessed people who have "seen things", or said they have seen things, or said they were channeling some spirit simply because they want to be a part of something, they want to be paid attention to.

Were you there? Did you see what they saw? Obviously you are in this apparent state of envy

Originally posted by Umbrax

Originally posted by Ophiuchus
What I saw was short (like me

) about 1.6 meters, but really, really hunched over..

Perhaps if you see yourself in the shadow it may be a warning about your own future.

Woah, easy there
I was just making a joke about how I'm small myself - I definately did NOT see myself there

It's hard to explain really, it was in a room of shadows, which is why I thought maybe it was a trick of the light - but what I saw was SOLID. So realistic, that I grabbed a knife before walking into the room because I thought it was an intruder.

Honestly though, I've felt the presences in their house many times (no particular entities though) but this one just seemed to be so defined if you get what I mean? It seemed to be secretive, devious etc;. I'm not sure if this is something I should have seen - it's not my house..

And it didn't seem like "it" noticed me at all. Why I'm so startled by what I saw was that I saw it for a full 3 seconds or so - not a blink from the corner of my eye, I saw this thing straigh ahead, moving in a horiztontal direction in another room..

As for the sleep paralysis, heh no not me, I make sure I get my sleep

Very interesting. Did it happen to disappear by walking into a wall?

The shadow I have experienced before scared the HELL out of me. One night, I woke up at about 4:30 in the morning. I looked around my room and noticed a black mass by my headboard. On instinct I tucked my legs away from the thing and then all of a sudden like a massive shroud it flew into the air directly into the ceiling. I ran to my lightswitch and flicked it on. That night I slept with a knife, lights on, and TV turned up full blast.

A friend of myn was in her lounge and a large black mass appeared behind her where she was sitting on the couch......her first response was 'fear' and she did the sign of the Cross and it disappeared.....

I myself (going back in my seance times) was in a similar situation....

Usually people that have been involved in any occult type situation see this/or hear strange things like voices...
And by the occult I don't only mean the BLACK arts type OCCULT with the satanic rituals, but all types that would be classified as the Occult/paranormal/divination/ufo's/astrology/new age/spells/and the likes etc.....

And if you talk to people about this stuff, they think that your crazy or going through some rough time in you life and that is why it is happening,or they will tell you the Devil does not exist and therefore you need psychiatric help......So,this being the reason why so many people just go about their buisness and dont say anything because they fear that they would be classed as 'mad'and wont 'fit in' with the rest of the so called 'normal' people.


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helen

everytime i see a post about "Shadow People" i wonder if they're the same as Judges. in that case i know enough about them.

judges are neutral. about 7-10ft tall always wear grey cloaks/robes. they do nothing except observe

as for other dark black negative energies. from personal experiences they are very negative souls who aren't easy to get rid of. calling in a priest to excorcise won't do a thing. you need a specialist then. call me no but seriously i can't say what it is untill i seen it myself

i've dealt with a case myself recently which was about a woman that was abused by her ex. and in 1 room particularly she felt as if her throat was being...well like she was being suffocated by it...strangled. took me a long/hard time to get rid of that. was very negative energy of a very evil soul. thing was it wasn't a demon just a soul of a very negative man. but it felt as if it was as strong as a demon :S it was a very dark and tall energy when it showed itself.

[edit on 5-7-2005 by Enyalius]

That is apparent. People fear things they cannot comprehend and then judge the unknown as nonsense.

I did nothing to drive the black mass away, just withdraw from it rather quickly. When it flew into the air it sounded as if a strong wind was blowing through my room.

Originally posted by Ophiuchus
As for the sleep paralysis, heh no not me, I make sure I get my sleep

Can occur no matter how much sleep you get, its simply waking up, while still being in REM sleep, conscious, but immobilized by brain chemicals and hallucinating.

The constant feeling of "presence" you get in this place is going to wear you down, and
make you ill, physically and mentally. Running around the house with a knife is
a sure sign that you were physically threatened by your own perceptions.
If this happens often enough, you will be become clinically insane.
Get away from things that put you anywhere near this state of mind.

As for the rest of the crowd, well, look at their statements. Basically I could have come
here and lied and they would believe it because it backs up their personal belief.
How many other people they trust could have lied to them and they still believe?
I see paranoid schizophrenia rearing its ugly head in some of these statements.

A word to the wise.
Be wary of advice you get on the internet, there is no way to know who needs to be locked
away in a padded cell and who is legit. Several people have died, or been kidnapped and raped because they "trusted" some person on the net.

That might be an extreme example, but it is a good perspective to keep, especially with people who take hallucinations so seriously that they can not even accept the very real fact they they may be losing their minds.

Play safe!

Originally posted by Legalizer

Originally posted by Ophiuchus
As for the sleep paralysis, heh no not me, I make sure I get my sleep

Running around the house with a knife is
a sure sign that you were physically threatened by your own perceptions.

Ease up

When I saw my friend a few seconds later I said "Is your sister home already?" and she was like "Er, no why" and I'm like "Then who was in the lounge room"? And being the wimp that she is (heh) she's like "What. The. ...."..

I (semi) realised it was not a person, it was a precaution for my friend I guess, because she's freaked out by her house already. (She photographed a ghost the other day, but that's another story - I'll post the pic sometime)

I just told the knife "part" of the story to illustrate the point that it looked SOLID, like a person, not some airy fairy black shadow that could have moved maybe if I turned a bit to the left and squinted on a night of a full moon.. *insert some ambigious description* etc;



As for the whole mental illness thing, each to their own I guess.




[edit on 5-7-2005 by DontTreadOnMe]

I wouldn't fear a shadow person at all. Instead, I'd try to communicate with it over time, and perhaps verbalize to it some parameters on where and when it can hang out in or outside my house.

Until I am shown some signs to fear it, I would be eager to connect with it.

Sean

hmm...well depends. some entities give of really bad energie. which will warn you in advance. but when that warning is not there then just it's best to try and communicate in a friendly manner

If this is a 'dark energy entity' who wanted to bring you harm, then it could of done so already. Even if it's trying to drive you in a terror via psychological harassment, well then its powers are truly weak for it could do much more. Point is... it isn't evil; try to communicate with it on a regular basis, hear it out, set some parameters, or kindly tell it to leave. The fear of the unknown certainly can provide all sorts of justifications to avoid it. But what an opportunity here. Don't miss out.

Sean

Ophiuchus, here's my opinion:

The entity you saw but sensed nothing from I think was not a negative spirit in anyway. More likely a spirit guide or something.
When seeing something unusual (non-physical) and new (like a spirit guide unexpectedly and for the first time) some peoples subconscious minds overlay it with a negative image (although the entity itself doesn't necessarily have to be negative) to ward you away from it. It's a naturally protective fear barrier.

If you see it again you should just walk up to it and tell it you are not scared. If this is a negative spirit it will most likely bugger off with bruised ego If it's not negative, the black cloud will fade away from its visage and reveal its true face to you now that you have overcome your subconscious fear of this particular unknown.

This also happens to many other positive entities that someone’s subconscious reacts fearfully to. Many negative entities actually use this form of there own free will because of it's fearful appearance. The black cloud form is natural to entities who are basically just a mass of negative energy running on nothing more than instinct.

As for the second one I personally believe it to be not a spirit per se, but a personification of the all the negativity (you say someone is being abused?) that is occurring in that house? In certain locations a persons negative emotions literaly take on a life of their own. It's all energy, and you yourself can sense this. This personification is just a different form for that energy, the human form in which all the negative emotions were released. Look at the body posture of the entity, could that not be someone cowering in fear and trying to hide from an abuser?

I didn't make any of that up I have been studying this kind of thing for ages and have known all of what I have said above to have actually happened before (so you can at least put a little trust in it).

Originally posted by Faceless
In certain locations a persons negative emotions literaly take on a life of their own. It's all energy, and you yourself can sense this. This personification is just a different form for that energy, the human form in which all the negative emotions were released. Look at the body posture of the entity, could that not be someone cowering in fear and trying to hide from an abuser?
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Firstly thanks for your reply

But I agree with you on that bit (the bit I've quoted). From the general ideas I've been recieving (on this site, and people I know who know what they're talking about) it does seem that it was a "personification" of the negativity within the house.

What troubles me though, is it's emotional blackmail sort of abuse, and violence against furniture, random objects - but everyone in the house is in some sort of denial about it. I'm not sure if this "emotional" abuse is more powerful than physical abuse or something..

To top it off, the person inflicting the problems has this superioty complex over me or something (I threaten certains beliefs they have of themself I think) so I always come accross as being cynical or something,
and ultimately always feel like an intruder when I enter the house - who's shedding light on something that doesn't want tp be found.

I don't mean to come accross as self-righteous or holier-than-though - but has anyone had this feeling before? Walking into a dark place and feeling like you're the only light/positivity??

Originally posted by Ophiuchus
I don't mean to come accross as self-righteous or holier-than-though - but has anyone had this feeling before? Walking into a dark place and feeling like you're the only light/positivity??

Many times.

Originally posted by Faceless

Originally posted by Ophiuchus
I don't mean to come accross as self-righteous or holier-than-though - but has anyone had this feeling before? Walking into a dark place and feeling like you're the only light/positivity??

Many times.

Do you ever feel as though you 'threaten' the place, and ultimately feel threatened yourself?

Try to find out what it wants. It could be that your feeling bad because it craves contact and is very confused. If it starts displaying negative actions though, get away from it and state the you won't associate with it. Shadows from my experience can be good or evil. If it has a negative vibe it is also possible that its just confused. Only when it acts out its negative actions then are you sure. They hold you in their power with fear. Many people I've heard say that if you do not fear them they get worse. But I believe its because they want you to fear them. Negative energy would feed off this.

-Aza