Jfdarby......I have answered that .the 1,000 years reign(not my own interpretations)these questions all came up early in the centuries and the fathers
agreed to that the 1,000 years reign is the age we are living in NOW.
I'll post it here again.
quote///In Holy Scripture someones sinful condition is also compared to a kind of death. It is with this meaning that the Saviour says to one of His
disciples who had asked leave to first go and bury his father, Follow me, and let the dead bury their dead (Mat. 8:22).
Likewise does He speak with this in mind when saying, He that believeth in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live; and whosoever liveth and
believeth in me shall never die (Jn. 11:25).
The Apostle also had this meaning in mind when he wrote, reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus
Christ our Lord (Rom. 6:11, 8:10).
Moreover, with this meaning as well is it written to the angel (επίσκοπο) of the Church in Sardis: I know thy works, and that thou hast a name
that thou livest, but thou art dead (Rev. 3:1).
This does not,
constitute the first death, as the baptismal resurrection constitutes the first resurrection, considering that this death is a condition that leads
to but is not already the fact of death. When we spoke of resurrection and death above we had in mind not merely a condition or state but a specific
action or event - of resurrection and of death respectively
quote from Dbrandt/// The deception will be great and we would be deceived if we were here, but believers are not.
So believers will bow down to the antichrist. Is that what you are saying? And if they will, how far will that bowing down go, as far as taking the
mark of the beast?
I'll throw my guess in on the 2 witnesses. Elijah and the apostle John.
The deception will even come to deceive even the ELECT and if it was not for God we would all be deceived......so He makes time go quick and the
suffering will be over sooner then we think!
quote/the Saviour Himself has told us,
together with the "false prophets" of that time,
shall show great signs and wonders,
insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect (Matt. 24:24).
And the "elect" are certainly not those multitudes of people who are coming to accept the gross and most unscriptural delusion that "the world is
on the threshold of a great spiritual awakening,
" but rather the "little flock" to which alone our Saviour has promised: It is your Father's good pleasure to give you the Kingdom (Luke
Even the true "elect" will be sorely tempted by the "great signs and wonders" of antichrist; but most "Christians" will accept him without any
for his "New Christianity" is precisely what they seek.
The Second Coming of Christ will be unmistakable: it will be sudden, from heaven (Acts 1:11), and it will mark the end of this world........and after
that Judgement .
the "thousand years" of Grace in the Church of Christ (is now )(Apoc. 20:3)
spiritual deception so persuasive as to "deceive, if it were possible, even the very elect" (Matt. 24:24).
promised that the gates of hell will not prevail against His Church (Matt. 16:18),
and that for the sake of the elect He will cut short the days of the last great tribulation (Matt. 24:22).
And in truth, "If God be for us, who can be against us?" (Rom. 8:31).
Even in the midst of the cruelest temptations,
we are commanded to be of good cheer; I have overcome the world (John 16:33).
Let us live, even as true Christians of all times have lived, in expectation of the end of all things and the coming of our dear Saviour; for "He
that giveth testimony of these things saith: Surely I come quickly. Amen. Come, Lord Jesus" (Apoc. 22:20).
Dbrandt/some fathers do say that Moses will also appear and some say St John the theologian as well......for their bodies were not
found......according to teachings of tradition....Moses and Elijah especially held by the Jews as well.
Yes dbrandt, some will go to the extremes of getting the mark of the beast.
because of FOOD(that's why Christ told his Apostles to fast and pray...''for man does not live on bread alone''first praise God and then fill our
fleshy needs.(again this is from the Old Testament starting in Genesis .....this will be the greatest test on all Christians and the world....actual
prophecy foretold that this will happen.
I do read revelation but I also heed the words of the fathers and their explanation of being of ''one mind' with each other ...
quote/here it is said that an Angel descended from heaven and bound satan for a thousand years and that the souls of those beheaded for their witness
of Jesus Christ and the word of God came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
"This is the first resurrection,"
says the book of Revelation (Rev. 20:5).
"When the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations" (Rev. 20:7-8).
Soon there follows the judgment of the devil and of those who were deceived by him.
The dead will be raised up and judged according to their deeds: "... And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire
… This is the second death" (Rev. 20:14-15).
Upon those who have been resurrected in the first resurrection, however, the second death will have no power.
It is important to understand that the 20th chapter of the book of Revelation does not introduce any new teaching about the end of the world and the
Second Coming of Christ.
Its purpose is to summarize the battle between the devil and the Church which permeates the whole history of mankind.
The devil is defeated twice: first spiritually, by the redemptive death of the Savior, and at the end of the world, completely and finally, when he
will be thrown into the lake of fire. Christian martyrs began to celebrate their victory over satan immediately following their death for Christ.
jake//It is not possible for the elect to be deceived.
The Holy Spirit cannot be fooled
It is possible jake,.....for Christ tells us that although we will beleive in Christ we will also ''suffer'' .....
as the Lord predicted: "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake; and then
many will be offended,
will betray one another,
and will hate one another." So that even "brother will betray brother to death,
and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death.
And you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake … But he who endures to the end shall be saved" (Mt. 24:9-10; Mrk. 13:12-13; Lk. 21:16)
If He is telling us that we are to ''endure'' all the suffering to the end, then He means that we too will be here to see all the prosecutions
like it happened in the early persecutions of Christians....they too had to die in order to come to the resurrection....like a seed dies and when it
is planted it becomes all new and alive again.
the Savior warned His disciples:
"Take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness,
and cares of this life,
and that Day come on you unexpectedly.
For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth" (Lk. 21:34-36).
If I can add one more thing...
"if those days should not be shortened for the sake of the elect,
no flesh would be saved" (Matt. 24.22).
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