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Originally posted by Ambient Sound
Do you think they would have used it on us if they had had it and been able to drop it?
Originally posted by Tassadar
Alright FM, one of knowledge,
Those were atomic bombs used in Japan. The first nuclear weapon wasn't invented until 1957, and rigorous testing began in the 1960's. A nuclear weapon has never been used on any country in agression or defense, ever, in history.
Originally posted by Damned
They're both considered nukes. I've already been on your side of the argument before, and lost. They're nukes alright. I had to admit I was wrong, and I don't do that often.
Originally posted by Damned
BTW, that's an interesting avatar.
Originally posted by thefraj
We need to clarify something here.
Hiroshima was nuked along with several other cities. Nagasaki for one. Dying in an atomic holocaust is totally different to dying in an "honest" war. I've been to the Hiroshima Peace Museum and seen first hand the effects, accounts etc. and my life has never been the same.
I can never forgive my own country, or the West for their hand in this terrible and totally UNFORGIVABLE affair. I know it probably [statistically] saved lives in the long run, but I certainly would rather die and be invaded by an enemy I can see, and kill: fairly. Than to be wiped out in such amazing rainbow-shades of complete unfairness.
Originally posted by Jakomo
Hiroshima and Nagasaki are stains on the history of the world, and was UNNECESSARY. The war was over, Japan was capitulating.
The bomb was predominantly used to show the USSR that once WWII was officially over, they couldn't screw around.
And this message came at the cost of hundreds of thousands of innocents.
Your US history books are full of lies on this, and if you agree that it was necessary, you are either misinformed, or a piece of vile scum with no respect for human life.
Give it up ignoramus.
idea of intelligence is not being factual, it's being anti-American at every opportunity.
Far more German civilians were killed in WWII than Japanese (2 million vs 350,000), but people like you only seem to raise a stink when it comes to the bomb, and maybe to race.
In an article that finally appeared August 19, 1945, on the front pages of the Chicago Tribune and the Washington Times-Herald, Trohan revealed that on January 20, 1945, two days prior to his departure for the Yalta meeting with Stalin and Churchill, President Roosevelt received a 40-page memorandum from General Douglas MacArthur outlining five separate surrender overtures from high-level Japanese officials. (The complete text of Trohan's article is in the Winter 1985-86 Journal, pp. 508-512.)
This memo showed that the Japanese were offering surrender terms virtually identical to the ones ultimately accepted by the Americans at the formal surrender ceremony on September 2 -- that is, complete surrender of everything but the person of the Emperor. Specifically, the terms of these peace overtures included:
Complete surrender of all Japanese forces and arms, at home, on island possessions, and in occupied countries.
Occupation of Japan and its possessions by Allied troops under American direction.
Japanese relinquishment of all territory seized during the war, as well as Manchuria, Korea and Taiwan.
Regulation of Japanese industry to halt production of any weapons and other tools of war.
Release of all prisoners of war and internees.
Surrender of designated war criminals.
Is this memorandum authentic? It was supposedly leaked to Trohan by Admiral William D. Leahy, presidential Chief of Staff. (See: M. Rothbard in A. Goddard, ed., Harry Elmer Barnes: Learned Crusader , pp. 327f.) Historian Harry Elmer Barnes has related (in "Hiroshima: Assault on a Beaten Foe," National Review, May 10, 1958):
The authenticity of the Trohan article was never challenged by the White House or the State Department, and for very good reason. After General MacArthur returned from Korea in 1951, his neighbor in the Waldorf Towers, former President Herbert Hoover, took the Trohan article to General MacArthur and the latter confirmed its accuracy in every detail and without qualification.
Originally posted by 27jd
I havent seen one of your posts with anything even remotely positive about America.