ATS: The next step to global ID, page 1

posted on May, 27 2005 @ 11:26 AM

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The US government's recent unanimous vote for the national ID (Real ID Act) didn't even raise an eyebrow with the general public. Now "they" want the US and Briton to have the same/compatible RFID chips in their national ID cards. Presently, the US has a pilot program with the Netherlands regarding "trusted IDs". All of this, of course, is under the guise of less hassle with customs...that's what we want isn't it?

news.independent.co.uk
The United States wants Britain's proposed identity cards to have the same microchip and technology as the ones used on American documents.

The aim of getting the same microchip is to ensure compatability in screening terrorist suspects. But it will also mean that information contained in the British cards can be accessed across the Atlantic.

Mr Chertoff also proposed that British citizens wishing to visit the US should consider entering a "Trusted Traveller" scheme. Under this, they would forward their details to the US embassy to be vetted. If successful, they would receive a document allowing "fast- tracking" through the US immigration system.

A pilot scheme will start within a few months between the US and the Netherlands, allowing Dutch visitors to use a Trusted Traveller card to enter the US without being subjected to further questioning or screening.

Britain is one of 27 countries whose citizens do not need visas to enter the US if they intend to stay less than 90 days. The American government has said it wants 27 to issue new passports by 26 October this year containing a computer chip and a digital photograph.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

They're taggin' the cattle...
I know there are people that scoff at the idea of a "conspiracy" of tracking everyone, but it's happening regardless. This is the first I have heard of the discussion of global compatibility, which was the clear next step. These "regulations" are being brought about at a faster rate than I had expected. A simple "google" of RFID will turn up books of information for both sides of the arguement.
Once the compatibility issue is "ironed out", it is a simple matter of telling everyone that we are switching over to "iMoney"...don't "blink" or you'll miss it.

P.S. "google" for blink and find where the next step is being piloted...

Springer

posted on May, 27 2005 @ 11:32 AM

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The thought of being able to track anyone anytime via GPS REALLY fogs my mind.

Leaving the Biblical, "marque of the beast" out of it completely, it's STILL an awful proposition IMHO.

This eliminates "We The People" from ever being able to "form our own militia against a tyrannical government" (paraphrase from the U.S. Constitution) completely.

It makes so many liberties non-existent in one fell swoop it's hard to fathom. That's just the U.S citizen who can live reasonably safe within his own home.

Imagine someone who is currently under a despotic regime.

The days of "resistance movements" are numbered.

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gravriderX

posted on May, 27 2005 @ 11:52 AM

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I will not be obtaining one of these. Expect massive amounts of right to privacy cases...

mythatsabigprobe

posted on May, 27 2005 @ 12:07 PM

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P.S. "google" for blink and find where the next step is being piloted...

Ok, I got 12.7 million results for "blink"...

If you meant "iMoney" I got 91,000 results. Could you narrow it down just a tad?

Ishes

posted on May, 27 2005 @ 01:05 PM

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I am confident the UK parliment will vote against the ID Card scheme. At £100 a pop thats alot of taxpayers money. £100 each if im mistaken. For some people thats 2/3 days work for a piece of plastic. God this is stupid.

weirdo

posted on May, 27 2005 @ 01:17 PM

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New budget figures estimate total cost to implement scheme up from £3 billion to £6 billion with some experts believing cost to further rise to £9 billion.Some major computor/bio metrics experts believing that the system in the uk wouldn`t work never mind the states.There is no test system implemented and no knowledge of potential problems.With the French voting against the Euro constitution plus the objections in Uk against ID find it hard to see a globalisation of ID us ever becoming a reality.

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krt1967

posted on May, 27 2005 @ 01:42 PM

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Whoa. This is sad. We are like cattle. Are they gonna put the fat ones on the auction block first , or will it be the fit and trim? Everyone skinny down...hurry. And take viagra so we wont have to see whats bout to happen to us as the hearders shoo us into the stalls.

FreeThinking1

posted on May, 27 2005 @ 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by weirdo
New budget figures estimate total cost to implement scheme up from £3 billion to £6 billion with some experts believing cost to further rise to £9 billion.Some major computor/bio metrics experts believing that the system in the uk wouldn`t work never mind the states.There is no test system implemented and no knowledge of potential problems.With the French voting against the Euro constitution plus the objections in Uk against ID find it hard to see a globalisation of ID us ever becoming a reality.

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Those are excellent points. I do believe, however, that they would merely slow the progress of such things and not halt them altogether. Governments seeking to control terrorism would seek to do this. Terrorists are people, so to control them is to control people. This would include the non-terrorists. It's a rather stupid notion if you ask me. If our governments would get to the root of the problem and find the answer to the question "Why do people BECOME terrorists?" we would all be better off. Try to remedy the problem by eliminating the "need" to be a terrorist. Instead, let's just tag everyone so we know who you are and where you are at all times because HEY, we all have the potential to be a terrorist! I lame excuse for global normalization of the masses. I just don't feel the answer to global terrorism is global control (or in this case a uniform way of tagging everyone - a very useful step toward global control).

BadMojo

posted on May, 27 2005 @ 03:19 PM

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Here's the specific google entry I meant...
news.yahoo.com.../ap/20050525/ap_on_hi_te/blink_cards
Sorry 'bout that...

Phugedaboudet

posted on May, 27 2005 @ 04:12 PM

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what's with this *ridiculous* love affair with RFID? Why the hell would anyone in their right mind set up an all encompassing, critical system and use a technology that allows the data to be read at a distance without anyone even knowing?
RFID has been captured, cloned, and hacked dozens of times. Setting up some sort of Global ID can be argued to make some sort of sense. But setting it up so anyone with a decent receiver can capture and clone data without the user's knowledge? Is Big Government deliberately trying to create a global ID Theft system?

If you absolutely have to create some sort of global, all intrusive system, make it so it works from physical contact of the card only. No short range or non-contact readers. No means to read the card without express physical action on the part of the card holder. Nothing that can be scanned by close proximity, whether by visible laser or invisible radio waves. Nor some lame implantable system that can be read by bumping into people or by getting your hand too close to a reader. Or some bar code that is exposed and readable to anyone.

TahoeSkiBum

posted on May, 27 2005 @ 04:15 PM

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Rfid technology is nothing new,it is just now becoming affordable for companys to use.This technology is already in use with mobile passes or gas cards,also in toll collection systems,and many others,it is also on the way to possibly replacing bar codes as product ID.

One of the more interesting is the smart key,some auto companys have them available(lexus I know and maybe a few others),You can open and start your car without taking the key out of your pocket.Sounds safe hunh!!

The scary part is that they are considering using these the way they use them on pets,embedded under the skin in a small capsule to give medical info,personal info,and who knows what else.There are afew test dummies already with them .

Better not get arrested,you will be the first to get to wear these personall ID tags, before long all newborns will have them,for there on saftey of course!!!you know you can, never be to careful!!!

weirdo

posted on May, 27 2005 @ 04:55 PM

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The notion that ID/tagging etc etc is become as time go`s by less and less of a saleable item to the general populous.Bin Laden would not apply neither would any terrorist that is willing to fight.The people realise this.the govt will gain ground if they sell it as a way of controlling crime on the streets.

dh

posted on May, 27 2005 @ 05:06 PM

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As Blunkett first proposed the UK ID scheme in October 2001, the ID card will hold your debit and credit information and transactions. It will gradually take over from your other cards The cashless society
The RFID will no doubt be able to be substantially read from your nearest cellphone tower. The GPS are actually handling the majority of the cell phone messages
The id card will be stolen, forged, lost, forgotten to take out, broken in huge numbers at the point where the control grid crackdown demands its production at every turn and checkpoint
The subdermal chip is just waiting there in the background, just waiting its turn to go
And then those cellphone towers will not only be surveilling your every move, but sending you messages, dictating what your every move should be according to your elected status

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BadMojo

posted on May, 31 2005 @ 08:36 PM

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As much as I would love to mine this site for numerous news articles here, I can't just keep something like this to myself.
www.secureidnews.com...
This site has MUCH information on MANY forms of potential "global IDs"...
Do we get triple word score for killing our own threads?

ghostsoldier

posted on May, 31 2005 @ 09:41 PM

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Next it will be: inserting micro-chips into newborn babies brains so that they may be tracked every second of their lives...

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So has this been passed? - like is this going to be implemented? as in from now?

If so, why didn't people protest this? - This is really scary when you think about the bigger picture... How many more freedoms does your government have to take away before you realise they are a pack of scum and need to be ousted?

the_oleneo

posted on May, 31 2005 @ 10:16 PM

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See my avatar at the left. Now he wanted your global ID for identification and verification, citizen!

BadMojo

posted on Jun, 1 2005 @ 10:23 AM

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In the retail environment, for example, RFID tags can be put into a paper label or even sewn into fabric. This means products are constantly tracked giving a real-time picture of stock levels both on shop floor and in the storeroom.

"It means that a tracking system can be linked to ordering systems of several distributors to allow store staff to make rapid decisions based on current inventory levels, to avoid selling out or stockpiling."

Major industry players like IBM, Procter & Gamble and Asda-owner Wal-Mart strongly support RFID.

I pulled the previous paragraphs from... www.raidersnewsupdate.com...

Look for yourself. Look inside your DVDs bought from Wal-Mart. Check out the packages for the electric razors. They have the "paper label"...it is a white paper square that is about 2"x2". The back of that sticker has the circuit. It's here...it's just not FULLY implemented.

subz

posted on Jun, 1 2005 @ 10:44 AM

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The feminists burnt their bra's due to oppressive overtones. I suggest we do the same and simply burn or cut up these i.d cards in public to show our distrust of them.

Dont let governments fool you, if you dont like what they are doing then you are allowed to disagree and respond how you wish. If enough people do it what will they do? Declare martial law? Arrest everyone? Start wiping us out?

Atleast we'd know where we stand and can get on with the process of reclaiming our dignity and freedoms from the corporations and their defacto CEO's who call themselves our politicians.

BadMojo

posted on Jun, 1 2005 @ 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by subz
If enough people do it what will they do? Declare martial law? Arrest everyone? Start wiping us out?

Yep, that pretty much sums it up, subz.

Here's an exercise in reality checking. How many members are on ATS? Now, how people are there in the world? We're quite the drop in the ocean, wouldn't you say? John Q. Public loves buying and selling...without these future cards you will not be able to do so...legally.

ghostsoldier

posted on Jun, 2 2005 @ 12:11 AM

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Originally posted by subz
Dont let governments fool you, if you dont like what they are doing then you are allowed to disagree and respond how you wish. If enough people do it what will they do? Declare martial law? Arrest everyone? Start wiping us out?

Atleast we'd know where we stand and can get on with the process of reclaiming our dignity and freedoms from the corporations and their defacto CEO's who call themselves our politicians.

The sooner a revolution happens in a first-world country, the better off the world would be... In America, UK, Australia, most of Europe - the people have become so content with being consumers that they hardly ever question what their government is doing to them, and the people of the world... A huge class conciousness needs to take place - and realise that the aristocrats in Washington only have one thing on their mind and that is - $