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reply posted on 17-5-2005 @ 12:33 AM by Syrian Sister
If you notice, the word is not clearly defined.
It used to be a word that describes mormons, yup, really. Look it up

Recently it’s the latest catch phrase in the western media, to describe a muslim who isn’t “moderate” by western standards. But let’s look at the definitions more closely shall we.

If fundamentalism means to follow the fundamentals of a religion, then one of the fundamentals of islam would be, that “if you kill one innocent person, it is as if you slaughtered the whole of humanity, and if you save one innocent person, it is as if you saved the whole of humanity”.

Why is it that the west percivies what kind of a muslim I am, by the clothes that I wear, and not by what I have in my heart? Because I wear western clothes, and I don’t cover my hair, what does that make me a “moderate muslim”? And what if I told you I belive everything the koran says with fervour? With fervour!

I tell you, there is no such thing, as extremist muslims, or moderate muslims. There is only Islam, and not Islam. Something that is in the koran, and something which is not.

There are bad people every where in this world, there are bad people who call them selves muslim, and bad people who call themselves Christians and bad people who call themselves Jews. There actions don’t represent what is in their religion. There are Christians who used to say, many hundreds of years ago, during the crusades, that “we must attack them and convert the heathens”. They barged into the middle east, slaughtering men women and children of all faiths, the slaughtered muslims, they slaughtered jews, and they slaughtered Christians too, because all these communities where in the middle east at the time. But there was this man called Salah Al Dien, a Kurdish man from Syria  , who stopped them, and pushed them back. And when they left was there a revenge attack on the Christian communities in these middle eastern countries? No! Salah Al Dein said to the people, not a single church must be touched, and not a single Christian person will be hurt, they are victims of the crusaders just like us, the crusader where not Christians, they where just evil men. The Crusades where not about Christians against muslims, it was invaders, against defenders.

No war is about religion, or culture, or race, or ideologogy. All wars are about two things, power and resources.

But all these people who are bad, they only call themselves muslim, they only call themselves Christian they only call themselves jewish. But not matter what they claim to be, what are they in the eyes of god?


oh and sorry, this post is slightly off topic.

[edit on 17-5-2005 by Syrian Sister]


reply posted on 17-5-2005 @ 05:59 AM by JudahMaccabbi
Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente
Here is another question for you "JM" are Moslems the only Religious group that have
"Fundamentalist Extremist" factions? Are there not also "Fundamentalist Extremist" Jewish & Christian factions is Existence? As well as various "Political Extremists"? You see what I am getting at here don't you - the Media is Slanting the News - they are PORPUSLY trying to equate "Extremist Moslem" = Terrorist Enemy of USA in the Public Mind. While this Position may be True to a certain extent - it certainly is One sided isn't it? I run into Jewish & Christian Fundamentalist Extremists
*ALL THE TIME*! I wonder who OWNS the Mainstream Media is the USA?

[edit on 16-5-2005 by Seraphim_Serpente]


No there are fundamentalist Jews and Christians. I think the difference is that:
A- No country in the world can be defined as a fundamentalist Christian or Jewish country that provides support for these groups (I know we will get into the issue various extremists claiming that Israel is a fundamentalist country).
B- Fundamentalist Christians and Jews do NOT commit widespread suicide attacks.
C- Fundamentalist Christians and Jews are generally scarce while in the Muslim world it is quite prominent.
D- Fundamentalist Christian attacks and Fundamentalist Jewish attacks are very rare.
E- Muslim states are very backwards and therefore their culture is suited to this backwardness while both Christian and Jewish stated are mostly developed and progressive.

The NEWS is out for scoops wherever it can find it. There is no CONTROL of the news in the states there is only what is more interesting to report and what makes more scoops.


reply posted on 18-5-2005 @ 08:00 AM by EastCoastKid
Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Alot of the men who where claimed to be hijackers, are said to be still alive!
Truth is stranger than fiction .
www.whatreallyhappened.com...


And even knowing this, the FBI, to date, has not even bothered amending their list on its website.

It's like I keep saying.. this whole thing is the biggest fiction and fraud ever pushed on the USA.


reply posted on 19-5-2005 @ 08:22 AM by EastCoastKid
The CIA and media have worked hand-in-hand. The powers that be have pulled the curtain back far enough to allow that knowledge to become public - to an extent. There are reasons, some legit, some not-so much. Check these articles out and then you be the judge.


Title: A Report on CIA Infiltration and Manipulation of the Mass Media
Publisher/Date: September 1999

Should CIA agents be allowed to pose as journalists to further the aims of their clandestine activities?

Members of a Council on Foreign Relations task force on the future of U.S. intelligence in the post-Cold War world say yes, and a CIA official recently came forward to admit that the Agency already occasionally does so despite regulations barring the practice. But is this a breaking story or just the latest chapter in a spy story that traces its roots back to the 1950's? While they may act like strangers in public, the press and the CIA have a sordid past that spans more than four decades.

The CIA-Press Connection in the 1950s and 60s
The CIA-press connection traces its roots back to the early days of the Cold War, when Allen Dulles (who became CIA director in 1953) began courting the nation's most prestigious journalistic institutions for Agency operations. The mood of the day precluded the need for secretive infiltration, as Carl Bernstein points out in his 1977 expose on the topic. "American publishers, like so many other corporate and institutional leaders at the time, were willing to commit the resources of their companies to the struggle against global Communism," he writes. "Accordingly, the line separating the American press corps was often indistinguishable."

That's not to say that reporters acted as spies in the James Bond sense. Media outlets offered services that fell into the broad categories of providing "cover" for CIA operatives (i.e. jobs and credentials) or sharing information gathered by reporters on staff.
www.geocities.com...




Journalism and the CIA: The Mighty Wurlitzer
by Daniel Brandt
From NameBase NewsLine, No. 17, April-June 1997


Alongside those Greek morality plays and Biblical injunctions, we are also reminded by history itself that the use of unethical means to achieve a worthy end can be self-destructive. Power, by definition, is isolated from the correcting signals of external criticism. Or perhaps the feeling of fighting evil fits so comfortably, that it's difficult to shed even after objective circumstances change.


The history of U.S. intelligence since World War II follows both patterns. The Office of Strategic Services, the CIA's predecessor, had jurisdiction over wartime covert operations and propaganda in the fight against fascism. OSS chief William Donovan recruited heavily among social and academic elites. When the CIA was launched in 1947 at the beginning of the Cold War, these pioneers felt that they had both the right and the duty to secretly manipulate the masses for the greater good.
www.namebase.org...

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