Originally posted by Jakko
The OT explicitly denies the Muslim assertion that the pre-Islamic Ishmaelites knew and worshiped the true God
So? The koran says they did. Looks like an impass.
The false god whom they worshiped as the true God was quite possibly Baal.
Doubtful. Baal was worshipped in the northern parts of the levant, not the arabian peninsula.
The data also shows that Hubal was the high god worshiped at Mecca, which supports the view that he was the Allah of pre-Islamic times.
Thats some sloppy thinking on that guys part. Thats like saying Zeus is the jesus of pre-jesus times.
We started out with a quotation from the Psalms identifying the Ishmaelites as enemies of God
Wow, and they just so happened to be a competing tribe of the peopel who wrote Psalms. Whoda thought that psalms'd say bad things about them.
The Biblical and historical evidence shows that the Moabites worshiped Baal.
Such as what?
that Allah and Hubal are actually identical
Thats nonsensical. They're two different gods. Its like saying that the sumerians had a big god named Anu, and that the abrahamites left sumer,
therefore Jehovad and Anu are the same.
sufficient to conclude that Muhammad's Allah is actually Hubal, i.e. the Baal of the Moabites and thus not the God of the Bible
Ok, so now we've gone from tenuous, bizzare and unsupported assertions with faulty logic tying it toghther, to somethign thats just outright
Muslims don't worship baal or hubal. The very suggestion is nonsense. They clearly state that they worship a single, only, monotheistic, supreme
creator god, called the lord, al-la
. This is like noticing the similarities between Sol Invictus
and Jesus, and saying that the
apostles worshiped Sol Invictus
. They worshipped what they said they worshiped.
Wether or not these christians are right may never be proven, but it sure is clear that the God of the bible is not the God of the Koran.
How do you figure? Because paganistic arabs worshiped a bunch of gods and then became monotheists? BY this reasoning, the christians in germany are
worshipping Odin, but the christians in italy are worshipping Jupiter.