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posted by Matyas
Actually it is refreshing to see Mauddib and grover going at it again. It lends the board, erm, how to say this...a certain hominess, wouldn't you say?
2012: Severe drought and cold push Scandinavian populations southward, push back from EU.
2015: Conflict within the EU over food and water supply leads to skirmishes and strained diplomatic relations.
2018: Russia joins EU, providing energy resources.
2020: Migration from northern countries such as Holland and Germany toward Spain and Italy.
2010: Border skirmishes and conflict in Bangladesh, India, and China, as mass migration occurs toward Burma.
2012: Regional instability leads Japan to develop force projection capability.
2015: Strategic agreement between Japan and Russia for Siberia and Sakhalin energy resources.
2018: China intervenes in Kazakhstan to protect pipelines regularly disrupted by rebels and criminals.
2010: Disagreements with Canada and Mexico over water increase tension.
2012: Flood of refugees to southeast U.S. and Mexico from Caribbean islands.
2015: European migration to United States (mostly wealthy).
2016: Conflict with European countries over fishing rights.
2018: Securing North America, U.S. forms integrated security alliance with Canada and Mexico.
2020: Department of Defense manages borders and refugees from Caribbean and Europe.
2020: Increasing: skirmishes over water and immigration.
2022: Skirmish between France and Germany over commercial access to Rhine.
2025: EU nears collapse.
2027: Increasing migration to Mediterranean countries such as Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, and Israel.
2030: Nearly 10% of European population moves to a different country.
2020: Persistent conflict in South East Asia; Burma, Laos, Vietnam, India, China.
2025: Internal conditions in China deteriorate dramatically leading to civil war and border wars.
2030: Tension growing between China and Japan over Russian energy.
2020: Oil prices increase as security of supply is threatened by conflicts in Persian Gulf and Caspian.
2025: Internal struggle in Saudi Arabia brings Chinese and U.S. naval forces to Gulf ,in direct confrontation.
Originally posted by Muaddib
If you can't stand the heat then don't make false claims. I just hate it when people like him do this crap all the time, and he is not alone, but when they are called on their claims they immediately try to become the victim and cry foul.
Cry all you want grover, i won't be listening to your crap anymore. I wonder why some people can't leave the fricken politics out of this and discuss the real issues....
Originally posted by khunmoon
I took a look at this link, and this is what it outlines as a possible scenario ...becuase of the climate change ...that's atready here.
Originally posted by Muaddib
A lot of people say that mankind have accelerated the process, and for a while I thought that was a possibility, but if you look back to the 1800s and 1900s, and even centuries before that mankind was pumping more carbon dioxide and other free radicals than we are doing now.
Originally posted by Muaddib
Anyways, the Gulf stream has been known to have slow down and stopped in the past, it will happen again, and it is happening as we speak.
There is certainly an off chance that human activity doesn't effect the climate at all, but the odds are that we do.
Originally posted by grover
The Gulf Stream while actually quite stable has cooled and slowed in the past.
Every time it has happened though, it has happened in conjucture with a rapid increase in cold fresh water (fresh water being heavier, it sinks and cools the deep currents that make up the gulf stream) being poured into the north Atlantic by melting glaicers and the result has been a climatic disaster.
Originally posted by soficrow
Really, do you have anything current? ...Actual measurements I mean.
Innovative Research Proves Gulf Stream Slowed During Last Ice Age
By Kurt Sternlof
Scientists have long speculated that the Gulf Stream slows during glacial periods. An important component of the global oceanic "conveyor," the Gulf Stream carries tropical warmth up the eastern seaboard of the United States to the North Atlantic and Europe. Without its warming influence, a summer swim off the coast of Long Island would resemble a dip from an iceberg, and the perennial winter rains of London would likely all be snow.
This conveyor also moderates global climate. So while the notion of a diminished ice-age Gulf Stream makes sense, it has never been independently demonstrated—until now.
Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory geochemist Jean Lynch-Stieglitz has found evidence that the Gulf Stream—which originates in the Gulf of Mexico and wraps around Florida to head northward—ran at about two-thirds of its present speed during the height of the last ice age. This in turn suggests that the entire oceanic conveyor also slowed, and so moved less heat into the icy upper latitudes.
In order to make this discovery, which was published in the Dec. 9 issue of Nature, Lynch-Stieglitz and her colleagues combined two established techniques of modern oceanography, one geochemical the other physical, in reconstructing the Gulf Stream as it flowed through the Straits of Florida more than 10,000 years ago.
In trying to work out the complex relationship between patterns of ocean circulation and climate, it is extremely important to understand what happens during glacial periods—whether the conveyor slows, shuts down or even changes configuration. While other research has shown that the formation of deep water in the North Atlantic all but stopped during the last ice age, the question remained of whether the entire conveyor stopped or simply became shallower.
"Jean's work suggests that conveyor circulation virtually stopped during the last glacial maximum," Broecker said.