Have I Disturbed Some One? (Revisited)

Since I dont get up until at least 8:00 I thought it had to be some kind of entity that would wake up before 6:00am

I went back and read the details around when you posted the pics and you very cleary state that it was you setting it off. Its just my work monitor is so dark I could only make out shadows in the original pic no features until messing with the photo.


Well I feel embarressed to say the least, I loved reading your thread!

PS: I would like sometime to chat w/ Springer about his Tenatitus sp? I think I may be developing a case of it myself

I apologise for not reading all the way through yet (I'm really busy and this is the second thread I 'felt' I had to contribue to today for some reason, sort of just to get it out there before I'd finished). I hate to think that regardless of whether someone comes on here to tell a true story, or a fabrication, that doubt that if it were true, and something I could say could make the difference between harm and help. I would much rather feel a fool for belief (and to laugh and forgive them), than I would someone was in pain and I could have helped with just one note. So, I believe enough to want to help you, but I must remain skeptical with my questions if I ask any, I hope you understand and appreciate my feedback.

I've read most of page one, and I do agree that mirrors, wardrobes and for some strange reason acutely right angled corners seem to attract spirits. I have a BIG interest (of many years reading documents in various languages purely because I find it so interesting) in faries and paranormal, and I keep finding correlations between mirrors/built in wardrobes with doors and right angles. Its like they concentrate an energy that humans don't seem to get along with.

I believe certainly in the existance of a spirit world and bad energies (like a reverse layline). I'm a Christian but I've been a lot worse in the past, and while the bible says ghosts are strictly speaking daemons (because the human dead are to all intents and purposes 'dead to the world') I think some aren't. They are either of a higher dimensional frequency (I know, heretical thoughts for a Christian) like elementals, which I suppose could be called daemons if you think anything not human or animal and that interacts with us = daemon, but I don't necessarily think they're evil, just we cannot comprehend their lifestyle and motives. Some are reflections of past/previous experiences where emotion was involved (dying, birth, TRUE love, etc), and some are from external dimensions, but again are neither strictly speaking good or bad, but if I were to choose, I'd say ignore them since they aren't stricly 'for' the side of God or not even aware of him in the same way we are.

I say that so you know where I'm coming from, and that while believing in God, I wasn't always a believer and have a scientific, but ALSO occultic background, and that whilst I've seen things that might make you sick or a believer, it is your choice not mine to make and I'm not trying to convert you, just comfort you in knowing others have seen something similar but that we are still here and are, as far as I'm aware, still sane.

I dislike mirrors and built in cupboards as I say, never keep any in my bedroom unless they're covere when I sleep if at all. So I'd ask are there any that were there when you moved in? Even opening it for a couple of days (take the doors off cupboards, change the mirror or move it) might help release whatever it is. Its like they get trapped, or its like a type of window, hence the reason people see faces in TVs or mirrors when they concentrate on them such as with ITC (transcommunication with the 'dead', filming a static TV for example).

Regardless, I think many of these things are related, daemons, spirits, faries, etc and while they are not ALL inherently bad, we mean NOTHING to them. We are like a persistent fly around food, they will kill us and think nothing of it because they don't know we are 'intelligent' and we have a family (how often do we think of a fly's mate when we kill it because it bothers us?)

We might amuse them, but they sure as hell are more likely to abuse us for fun than to think of us as a friend, or maybe they'd like to keep us in a cage and show their friends. Where they come from, be it from here on Earth somewhere, or from somewhere else, seem to dislike iron and salt. I'd perhaps buy some little baggies from a store and put some completely iron nails and some salt in them and hang them in all the rooms, permanently. As far as I can tell it doesn't matter if you add potpurri or anything, so long as the salt is pure and the iron is true iron. It makes them unable to 'get in' as it were to this 'realm'. I had a lot of persistent visits from 'apparitions' after my conversion, and while a bible helped, it was the iron and salt that finally stopped them.

Children also do seem to see more of these things, and I also believe in the creational aspects of the human mind. It is a VERY powerful tool, and like a chainsaw, it can harm us if we don't use it properly, and very few people do since no one ever shows us how, we have to decide for ourselves what it can do and how it ultimately works. If we constantly think about the evil aspects or about hate or worry, it generally comes to pass, like we did it ourselves through wishing (I think there is a thread on here already about the law of attraction) it to be so feverently, the universe gives up and gives us what we want. It's easier to wish for disaster than to wish for happiness, because we seem to naturally believe its easier, so even if we think we believe and we want it, deep down, we 'know' it won't work and therefore we can never truly wish for happy things like money, love, etc.

Children have very few preconceived ideas and are not inherently conditioned like an adult, in their mind its a lot easier to consider ANYTHING. I think things like poltergeists are part real (a type of 'elemental') and part imagined (a child wants a friend, attention, anger/hate because of growing up and changing etc) and they use each other - the emotion as a 'body' or food with which they can enter this world.

Saying that, some things are never explained in a way I find satisfactory. Consider things like the Bell Witch, which still exists to this day, but I considered was attracted to (at the time) a 'child' of John Bells, hence the reason it manifested so why is it not gone? Because some people (me included) still believe. I think Bigfoot, most of them at least are not physical, they are psychic in nature and multinational belief made them.

So, while I'm saying that MOSTLY things like this aren't harmful, it does pay to take precautions and make sure (as I'm sure you do), talk to your children, and to yourself, and reassure everyone it won't harm you, because as I say, belief is power. The iron/salt won't hurt and you've nothing to loose except money to humour me and it might make you feel better too.

I have something that happened this morning that has one weird aspect to it. About 4:45 a.m. Bear woke me up barking downstairs (he sleeps on a doggy bed in our bedroom). Assuming that he was barking at some animal outside I didn't immediately get up but he kept barking and then Dinky (who was asleep on the bed) started barking too and I decided to get up. Bear doesn't bark at night when he's in our bedroom (which is upstairs), so the thought crossed my mind that maybe he had gone downstairs to get a drink and then saw a dog or something through the front windows of the living room and started barking.

So I get up and start out of the bedroom and there is Bear's collar laying in the bedroom floor about 3 to 4 feet inside the room from the bedroom door....still clasped shut. ??? Just to be clear, Bear and Dinky are house dogs that are put out on tethers when we put them out. That's just a point I want to make about whether Bear's collar has been loose enough to just fall off of him.

I went downstairs and tried to slip the collar back on his head while it was still closed and couldn't, and had to unclasp it and put it on him.

A dog barking in the wee hours of the morning isn't odd...a collar jumping off a dog's neck while it's still clasped is weird.


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heh, sounds like either Springer's sleepwalking or Dinky's gotten aweful smart.

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
heh, sounds like either Springer's sleepwalking or Dinky's gotten aweful smart.

LOL! Well, to give you an example of how Bear doesn't get agitated easily at night. Some time this morning I heard a car, motorcycle and another vehicle roaring down our street. Now we live on a quiet little side street in a quiet little town. So this wakes me up a bit and look outside to see police lights go by. Well, I assumed they were chasing some drunk or something and laid there a minute and fell back asleep. When I got up at 5:00 this morning there are 2 fire trucks and police car at a house a little under a block away from us, they have a generated set up for a spot light and they all have their lights going and Bear never barked once. In fact, he got up and came down stairs when I did and went back up and went to bed...lol.

So...that's just an example that he's not real skiddish at night.

BTW - the house they are at is a guy who deals drugs, maybe they are busting a meth lab!...go get 'em guys.

Hi Valhall, Firsly i would like to thankyou for this thread,it's actually what drew me into joining up in the fist place,took me a while tho.
I just flagged for the first time, thats a good thing right?
It's pretty freaky that this thing not only seems to have the physical ability to move stuff ect, but that it can interfer with living creatures, your pore dog must have freaked. As i alredy said thanksand for keeping us all up to date with your spook. nuts.

Originally posted by nuts!
Hi Valhall, Firsly i would like to thankyou for this thread,it's actually what drew me into joining up in the fist place,took me a while tho.

WELCOME! Glad to have you here, and thank you for your interest.

BTW - we had major excitement here today. Our garage caught fire and the local fire department had to come and put it out! It was scarier than anything in this thread for sure!



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wierd stuff with the dog and the collar val.

that's not good!!! Know the cause of the fire? And was the dog anywhere near the garage the night you found him downstairs?

Originally posted by worldwatcher
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wierd stuff with the dog and the collar val.

that's not good!!! Know the cause of the fire? And was the dog anywhere near the garage the night you found him downstairs?

Yes - we're pretty sure we know the cause of the fire (my nephew flipped a cigarette on the ground and thought he had stomped it out - but he hadn't and the humongoid winds we have today coupled with dead oak leaves created a veritable barn-burner situation).

No - (though I can't be certain of that answer because I was still in bed...but he was in the front room when I came downstairs). It sounded as if Bear was in the front room (the living room) when he was barking.

What's weird about the collar thing is just the day before I had put Bear and Dinky out for a bit on their tethers and when I went to get them they had crossed tethers and were in a stand-off (pulling against each other). You would think the collar would have come off his head then if it was that loose. But I would have had to have really squished his ears down to just pull the collar back on without unclasping it.

Odd.

let's just say it was spirit that was involved in that incident with Bear... Bear couldn't have been scared of the entity because you would have heard something when the collar was "taken" off. Also Dinky wasn't disturbed.. Seems Bear willingly left the room on his own accord and then maybe got into a heated discussion with the "visitor", which caused Dinky to wake up and jump in.

There's also the possibility that it isn't paranormal and perhaps something else. Dogs can sense other things too, and with all these ufo sightings (and I had one on night of the 28th) you just never know....

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Oh! Thank you thank you for posting that because there was something I had meant to add to this thread and just kept forgetting. I dreamed some time that same night - it wasn't a vivid dream I want to call it a "dream thought" - I dreamed I stopped hearing Bear's tags tinkle. They tinkle when he walks. And I dreamed they stopped tinkling and it was just this "dream thought" "Bear's not tinkling anymore." So, apparently, I heard (in my sleep) when the collar came off, because that would have been when the tinkling stopped.

Hello Valhal,

Been loving this thread and had to join up to tell you so. It's the only thing keeping me going in my crappy job.

The weird thing is those salad servers; my Grandma had those exact ones when I was a child and now they have been to my mother. I will have to ask if there is any knowledge about them in the family. I'll keep you posted.

So weird that exact versions of the salad servers I've known my life turn up in unexplained circumstances at your creepy house!

Have there been any more occurances of strange goings-on since the last post?

All the best.

Lucy D

I have recorded evp's on a couple of occasions mimicking my voice. I know it isn't me, as when I have recorded them I have been quiet.

I only know some spirits do this, and they tend to be negative spirits. My husband has come through on more than one occasion, asking if I called out for him.

There is more in Heaven and Earth than in our understanding. If it gets too bad, try and find a genuine paranormal group that can then carry out tests and such to help you understand the phenomenon.

But eventually, it was a matter of principal. A family of huckleberry fins with 4 kids started looking at the place and at that point both my husband and I decided we'd pay whatever it took, just to make sure somebody didn't move in it and run it to the ground. Because it DOES need a lot of work.

Have an interesting life.

I think some pets aren't afraid of spirits to be fair, because I've had many encounters with what I suppose are Shadow People and my cat who's naturally mental ignores them completely, she can see them and won't walk through them (and sometimes I can see she's staring at them) but she rarely arches her back and skitzs out over them. They can get fairly close before she even moves away and I'm almost 100% convinced I've seen one once either coming OUT or going IN to her bodily like a weird mist,

I'm of the opinion that most classic hauntings are memories or dimensional cross-overs, but those 'ghosts' that can use their voices, pick up stuff etc (i.e. the classic poltergeist) is rather more daemonic in nature because the dead are well, dead, in the grave and cannot commune with us here.

Its definitely a weird one whatever it is and is certainly keeping me interested.

Nothing to report on them salad servers I'm afraid. No one seems to know a thing about them.

Wow, what a thread! Spent hours reading through it and I'm completely enthralled. I can't wait to hear how everything turns out.

EDIT: I just had a listen to the audio clip of the voice/chair scrape sound. To me it sounds like a human female voice rather than something like a chair scrape. I also filtered out the background hum, hiss etc. from the recording in Audition and I've made an mp3 of it. I added short "blips" before each activation as without the background noise it's a little harder to tell where each one starts.

Audio clip here

Another EDIT: Forgot to mention that the "snap" after the ghost sound sounds very familiar to me - sounds like my grandmother's wicker laundry basket snapping shut - is there anything like that near where the recorder was? It sounds like something fairly close to the recorder as it's very clear, and the ambient reverb marks it out as something in the room rather than a recorder fault.

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[edit on 21-2-2008 by marinedalek]

Originally posted by marinedalek

Another EDIT: Forgot to mention that the "snap" after the ghost sound sounds very familiar to me - sounds like my grandmother's wicker laundry basket snapping shut - is there anything like that near where the recorder was? It sounds like something fairly close to the recorder as it's very clear, and the ambient reverb marks it out as something in the room rather than a recorder fault.

Thank you very much for working on the recordings. In answer to your question - no, there was no furniture or anything near the tape recorder. At that time the entire upstairs was wall-to-wall carpet and the tape recorder was sitting in the small hall way in between the staircase and the wall to the computer room. We have no wicker furniture, not even hampers, but I used to have a big papazan chair when I was in college and I agree it sounds like wicker "snapping" back when you unload it.

Just had another thought with regards the voice-like sound. Assuming it is a voice, it could be the end of the phrase "let me in!" (-me in!) with the start cut off because the recording started late. Then the "crack" sound could be a rap at a door?

Hi Val,

I've been following this thread avidly for ages... Are there any updates? I'm getting withdrawel symptoms!