Have I Disturbed Some One? (Revisited), page 41
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reply posted on 25-1-2008 @ 09:20 AM by ejsaunders
I apologise for not reading all the way through yet (I'm really busy and this is the second thread I 'felt' I had to contribue to today for some reason, sort of just to get it out there before I'd finished). I hate to think that regardless of whether someone comes on here to tell a true story, or a fabrication, that doubt that if it were true, and something I could say could make the difference between harm and help. I would much rather feel a fool for belief (and to laugh and forgive them), than I would someone was in pain and I could have helped with just one note. So, I believe enough to want to help you, but I must remain skeptical with my questions if I ask any, I hope you understand and appreciate my feedback.

I've read most of page one, and I do agree that mirrors, wardrobes and for some strange reason acutely right angled corners seem to attract spirits. I have a BIG interest (of many years reading documents in various languages purely because I find it so interesting) in faries and paranormal, and I keep finding correlations between mirrors/built in wardrobes with doors and right angles. Its like they concentrate an energy that humans don't seem to get along with.

I believe certainly in the existance of a spirit world and bad energies (like a reverse layline). I'm a Christian but I've been a lot worse in the past, and while the bible says ghosts are strictly speaking daemons (because the human dead are to all intents and purposes 'dead to the world') I think some aren't. They are either of a higher dimensional frequency (I know, heretical thoughts for a Christian) like elementals, which I suppose could be called daemons if you think anything not human or animal and that interacts with us = daemon, but I don't necessarily think they're evil, just we cannot comprehend their lifestyle and motives. Some are reflections of past/previous experiences where emotion was involved (dying, birth, TRUE love, etc), and some are from external dimensions, but again are neither strictly speaking good or bad, but if I were to choose, I'd say ignore them since they aren't stricly 'for' the side of God or not even aware of him in the same way we are.

I say that so you know where I'm coming from, and that while believing in God, I wasn't always a believer and have a scientific, but ALSO occultic background, and that whilst I've seen things that might make you sick or a believer, it is your choice not mine to make and I'm not trying to convert you, just comfort you in knowing others have seen something similar but that we are still here and are, as far as I'm aware, still sane.

I dislike mirrors and built in cupboards as I say, never keep any in my bedroom unless they're covere when I sleep if at all. So I'd ask are there any that were there when you moved in? Even opening it for a couple of days (take the doors off cupboards, change the mirror or move it) might help release whatever it is. Its like they get trapped, or its like a type of window, hence the reason people see faces in TVs or mirrors when they concentrate on them such as with ITC (transcommunication with the 'dead', filming a static TV for example).

Regardless, I think many of these things are related, daemons, spirits, faries, etc and while they are not ALL inherently bad, we mean NOTHING to them. We are like a persistent fly around food, they will kill us and think nothing of it because they don't know we are 'intelligent' and we have a family (how often do we think of a fly's mate when we kill it because it bothers us?)

We might amuse them, but they sure as hell are more likely to abuse us for fun than to think of us as a friend, or maybe they'd like to keep us in a cage and show their friends. Where they come from, be it from here on Earth somewhere, or from somewhere else, seem to dislike iron and salt. I'd perhaps buy some little baggies from a store and put some completely iron nails and some salt in them and hang them in all the rooms, permanently. As far as I can tell it doesn't matter if you add potpurri or anything, so long as the salt is pure and the iron is true iron. It makes them unable to 'get in' as it were to this 'realm'. I had a lot of persistent visits from 'apparitions' after my conversion, and while a bible helped, it was the iron and salt that finally stopped them.

Children also do seem to see more of these things, and I also believe in the creational aspects of the human mind. It is a VERY powerful tool, and like a chainsaw, it can harm us if we don't use it properly, and very few people do since no one ever shows us how, we have to decide for ourselves what it can do and how it ultimately works. If we constantly think about the evil aspects or about hate or worry, it generally comes to pass, like we did it ourselves through wishing (I think there is a thread on here already about the law of attraction) it to be so feverently, the universe gives up and gives us what we want. It's easier to wish for disaster than to wish for happiness, because we seem to naturally believe its easier, so even if we think we believe and we want it, deep down, we 'know' it won't work and therefore we can never truly wish for happy things like money, love, etc.

Children have very few preconceived ideas and are not inherently conditioned like an adult, in their mind its a lot easier to consider ANYTHING. I think things like poltergeists are part real (a type of 'elemental') and part imagined (a child wants a friend, attention, anger/hate because of growing up and changing etc) and they use each other - the emotion as a 'body' or food with which they can enter this world.

Saying that, some things are never explained in a way I find satisfactory. Consider things like the Bell Witch, which still exists to this day, but I considered was attracted to (at the time) a 'child' of John Bells, hence the reason it manifested so why is it not gone? Because some people (me included) still believe. I think Bigfoot, most of them at least are not physical, they are psychic in nature and multinational belief made them.

So, while I'm saying that MOSTLY things like this aren't harmful, it does pay to take precautions and make sure (as I'm sure you do), talk to your children, and to yourself, and reassure everyone it won't harm you, because as I say, belief is power. The iron/salt won't hurt and you've nothing to loose except money to humour me and it might make you feel better too.


reply posted on 30-1-2008 @ 06:21 PM by worldwatcher
reply to post by Valhall


wierd stuff with the dog and the collar val.

that's not good!!! Know the cause of the fire? And was the dog anywhere near the garage the night you found him downstairs?



reply posted on 30-1-2008 @ 06:27 PM by Valhall
Originally posted by worldwatcher
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post by Valhall


wierd stuff with the dog and the collar val.

that's not good!!! Know the cause of the fire? And was the dog anywhere near the garage the night you found him downstairs?


Yes - we're pretty sure we know the cause of the fire (my nephew flipped a cigarette on the ground and thought he had stomped it out - but he hadn't and the humongoid winds we have today coupled with dead oak leaves created a veritable barn-burner situation).

No - (though I can't be certain of that answer because I was still in bed...but he was in the front room when I came downstairs). It sounded as if Bear was in the front room (the living room) when he was barking.

What's weird about the collar thing is just the day before I had put Bear and Dinky out for a bit on their tethers and when I went to get them they had crossed tethers and were in a stand-off (pulling against each other). You would think the collar would have come off his head then if it was that loose. But I would have had to have really squished his ears down to just pull the collar back on without unclasping it.

Odd.


reply posted on 30-1-2008 @ 06:51 PM by Valhall
reply to post by worldwatcher



Oh! Thank you thank you for posting that because there was something I had meant to add to this thread and just kept forgetting. I dreamed some time that same night - it wasn't a vivid dream I want to call it a "dream thought" - I dreamed I stopped hearing Bear's tags tinkle. They tinkle when he walks. And I dreamed they stopped tinkling and it was just this "dream thought" "Bear's not tinkling anymore." So, apparently, I heard (in my sleep) when the collar came off, because that would have been when the tinkling stopped.


reply posted on 21-2-2008 @ 05:07 PM by marinedalek
Wow, what a thread! Spent hours reading through it and I'm completely enthralled. I can't wait to hear how everything turns out.

EDIT: I just had a listen to the audio clip of the voice/chair scrape sound. To me it sounds like a human female voice rather than something like a chair scrape. I also filtered out the background hum, hiss etc. from the recording in Audition and I've made an mp3 of it. I added short "blips" before each activation as without the background noise it's a little harder to tell where each one starts.

Audio clip here

Another EDIT: Forgot to mention that the "snap" after the ghost sound sounds very familiar to me - sounds like my grandmother's wicker laundry basket snapping shut - is there anything like that near where the recorder was? It sounds like something fairly close to the recorder as it's very clear, and the ambient reverb marks it out as something in the room rather than a recorder fault.

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