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reply posted on 26-7-2003 @ 04:13 PM by MaskedAvatar
Originally posted by AgentBlueBook
No Military Personnel, in Iraq OR Kuwait, have any other access to email providers OTHER than that which has been set up by the UNITED STATES MILITARY.
This means, YAHOO, AOL, HOTMAIL, or any other INTERNET EMAIL PROVIDER is forbidden use by any DOD personnel.
GoldenSun, thank you for providing the identity of your so called 101st DIV ARMY OFFICER Friend. With the helpful information you have provided, I will personally pay a visit to OSI (Office of Special Investigations) and give them the information so that your friend is court martialed on suspicion of spreading misinformation that could prove harmful to our nation's most current mission. Furthermore, IF what you say is true, then your friend is in A LOT of hot water. At the very least, he will be questioned. Why don't you tell him what you've been doing for him on the internet and how it's your fault that he may be facing time at FORT LEVINWORTH.
You have a chance to come clean before I go talk to OSI tomorrow.

Thanks and have a nice day.

Compliments of your new special Air Force friend

ABB




From a truth seeker:

EXCELLENT!

When ABB visits upon the now-known individual and sets up courtmartial proceedings, we will know that Golden Sun was telling the truth.

But how will we really know that ABB has gone and done what he said he would go and do? What if he just says he has, or if he comes back and says. "No such serviceman exists".

Is there any reason to believe him as a "newbie"?

Here is the crux of the problem everyone faces.

The Bush administration is (so far) totally unaccountable for its criminality, lies, deceit, misinformation and cover-ups throughout this whole proceeding. That will change.

Anything that 'comes out of Iraq' at this juncture on ATS has equal credibility with anything spun by the Bush administration timed to take the media's eye of the 9/11 enquiry findings, etc. ATS is a microcosm of reaction to the most criminal administration in US history.

I reserve my judgment totally on the statements of Golden Sun and ABB.

Whoever has lied about what they have reported in these circumstances though, should be removed from ATS and not allowed back under any guise, be they revolutionary, air force commander or anyone else.


reply posted on 26-7-2003 @ 05:03 PM by Toltec
MULTIPLE METHODS were used to make sure Odai and Qusai Hussein were indeed among those killed in Tuesday’s six-hour firefight in the northern city of Mosul, Army Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez told reporters in Baghdad on Wednesday.

The bodies were flown by helicopter to Baghdad International Airport and identified independently by four senior Iraqi detainees familiar with Saddam’s sons, Sanchez said.

He also said their teeth were compared with dental records for Qusai and Odai — resulting in a 100 percent match with Qusai’s records, and a 90 percent match with Odai’s. “This was limited only because injuries to the teeth made a perfect match impossible,” Sanchez said.

Old scars on Odai’s body also were consistent with X-ray records of his injuries in a 1996 assassination attempt, he said.

Two other bodies were recovered after the battle, including a person who may have been a bodyguard and perhaps Qusai’s 14-year-old son, Mustapha, the sources told NBC.

Samples were taken from the bodies for DNA testing after they were flown from Mosul, the Associated Press quoted unidentified officials as saying. DNA from the victims could be matched with samples from other members of Saddam’s family. Military spokesmen have hinted that U.S. officials possess a reference sample of Saddam’s DNA.

“We will continue with the autopsies on the bodies to get final conclusive evidence,” Sanchez told reporters. He said a decision on the final disposition of the four bodies was “yet to be made.”


THE TESTING PROCESS
If the process of DNA sample collection and testing followed the typical scenario, the samples would be collected quickly but carefully, said Victor Weedn, who helped develop the Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory in 1990 and is now director of biotechnology and health initiatives at Carnegie Mellon University.

It’s possible to do quick genetic testing on the scene, using portable equipment adapted for forensic purposes, he said. But he also speculated that samples would be flown to Rockville, Md., for more extensive testing at his former laboratory.

He stressed that he had no inside knowledge about the handling of samples from Saddam’s sons, but said “it would seem to me that you would most want to do the testing in a pristine environment, with people who are used to doing it with the instruments on hand.”

There have been several false alarms on the demise of Saddam and/or his sons, so by now the military likely has been well-trained in how to handle samples for DNA testing.

“The tissues have to be adequately documented and preserved,” Weedn said. “It’s difficult to do in a war scenario, but because of the early questions on the ID of Saddam, I imagine that the military has increased their awareness of these as issues. We are told that there are forensic guys in country to help with these issues.”

He emphasized that “the military has very significant capabilities to perform this DNA testing.”

“If you’re really set up for it and you start today, conventional DNA testing could really be done in a day,” Weedn said. “Mitochondrial [DNA testing] would take several weeks.”

Mitochondrial DNA, extracted from outside the nucleus of the cell, can be used to trace maternal ancestry.

Once the results are in hand, forensic investigators would compare them with a sample of the family’s DNA. The closer the relationship, the more reliable any match would be.

“If you had Odai and Qusai, you’d want them as references for Saddam and others,” Weedn said. “You will find that with all this testing on bodies and remains from future recoveries, there’ll be kindred relations that you’ll want to put together, and these will be additional puzzle pieces ... To the extent that it is a firm ID now, these samples would be useful for identifying other kindred, such as the father.”



[Edited on 26-7-2003 by Toltec]


reply posted on 26-7-2003 @ 05:25 PM by AgentBlueBook
Golden Sun,

1.) It is wrong for your friend to disclose information to anyone when one is under oath to defend one's country.

2.) It may even be a greater wrong for one's country to distort the truth and mix them with lies.

3.) It was wrong for you to take the information your friend entrusted you with and to post it publicly in a forum where that information may possibly backfire on your friend, provided the basis you revealed his name and unit.

Be that as it may, verbal threats more often than not infuriate people and can sometimes lead to actions that may be regretted later.
However, being the reasonable man that I am, I have not gone to OSI yet and if you agree on a truce between me and you, on the provisions that you do not disclose information to the public that has been privately entrusted to you in the future (and if you do happen to disclose information you shouldn't, DON'T GIVE AWAY YOUR SOURCE), then I will be willing to forego this incident and not incriminate you or your friend.

Maybe I owe you an apology for being rash, but seriously, other than military email, some internet message boards haven't been filtered out. Unless your friend's job deals with computer networking and trouble shooting, it is hard for one to believe he has ready access to yahoo email when it has been strictly forbidden by CENTAF.

Furthermore, I don't think it matters how Usay and Qusay died. The fact that they're dead is enough. Lets put our differences aside and instead go kill Saddam, provided he's not allready dead as well.

That's my take

ABB
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