Georgia Teacher Fired for Reading Gender Identity Book to Fifth Graders

originally posted by: SprocketUK
How about we all just say no to censorship?

How about the teacher follow the rules and not use her position of over children to indoctrinate them with left wing propaganda? That'd be nice.

a reply to: FlyersFan

We wouldnt be in this position without idiot politicians deciding they know best what and when to teach kids.
And this teacher is very much part of the problem, but I wonder how many learning hours are lost in an average year because one nutjob or another objects to a leson plan?

originally posted by: SprocketUK
I knew this would happen back when it was the progressive left

that was banning books or insisting they be changed etc.
I knew then that without the traditional left energy against censorship that we woiuld end up in a situation where any political or religious group would seek to get every other book banned.

Seriously people, this has to stop else all we will be left with is the bible and the qoran.

I was reading a thing the other day about Jaqueline Wilson, the author.
In the Guardian they selectively quoted her to make it look like she was ok with re writing old books to get rid of offence, in the Times they edited her to make it look like she was against this form of censorship.

How about we all just say no to censorship?

What’s being banned?

At far as school. There should be definite standards of professionalism. Would you be ok with a teacher using their school email and account for sexting. Are there rules concerning teachers using school computers to look at porn. For an elementary school, I have no problems applying the same rules to the school library used to govern sexting, sexually explicit material, and porn that is applied to government computers and professionalism.

Be less restrictive for a high school library. Sure.

Maybe be like my college library. Just carry the braille addition of Playboy.

a reply to: WhatItIs


From what I read though she was binned for reading to class from a book and those in charge didnt like the book.

Hardly the same as carryiing on a psuedo sexual relationship on the work it system is it?

A few years ago it was the left objecting to things like Mein Kampf etc being available to buy (by adults, with their own money), now its going this way.

I stand by my point that censorship is just plain wrong

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: WhatItIs


From what I read though she was binned for reading to class from a book and those in charge didnt like the book.

Hardly the same as carryiing on a psuedo sexual relationship on the work it system is it?

A few years ago it was the left objecting to things like Mein Kampf etc being available to buy (by adults, with their own money), now its going this way.

I stand by my point that censorship is just plain wrong

so where do you draw the line ni the 80s and 90s PIE made series inroads into the left on the back of the gay rights movement under the premise of sexually liberating children from their repressive parents/society, their ultimate aim was to have the age of consent reduced then removed with the hope of normalising pedophilia..

they had all the liberal institutions and even the gay rights movement eating out of their hands and thats why many gays are once bitten twice shy on this topic in terms of who has hijacked the movement and its actual ultimate aims..

while censorship is bad the material also needs to be age appropriate and we know when/how children start to explore their sexuality, define their identity and try things for the first time, its not 10 or 11 its more 15 for hetrosexuals to 17 for homosexuals..

its more important in a world they'll live to 150 as they stat work later means childhood should last longer not be reduced to a sexual liberation for the sake of adults.

a reply to: nickyw

Well, I would say that anyone normal could see the problem with any organisation bearing the word paedophile right from the off.
The fact that so many in labour didnt and also turned out to be the same ones who thought that banning books because of ideology was right speaks volumes to me.

I'd argue about your time frames though, I remember hitting 12 and girls were mostly all me and my mates could think about.
They were even more important than football

I have no idea why it would be differeent for homosexuals, apart from the urge to hide their sexuality cos of worrying about ostracism.

Ostracism, btw is why I think there was such a push to get kids reading things like Jules et Jim or my two dads.
It was an attempt to stop it being so noteworthy and thus something that most of us laughed at that made the people we were laughing at feel so bad.

a reply to: SprocketUK

the key point is how society let them hijack a rights movements and even helped them redefine the word pedophile in friendly terms to be seen as different from child molestors..

we can argue the same manipulation of lanquage is happening by putting the transexuals in the same pot as transvestites and assorted fetishes.. the transexuals had witness like protections from their previous life that we see some use to mask sexual convictions to continue access to their victims..

so being clear on lanquage and having clewar laws is paramount as is being age appropriate..

getting back on that topic I was talking averages and you are being subjective that you started to having sexual relations and intercourse at 12, are you really saying you'd introduce sex to children because of your own maturity some girls start their periods at 10 should we really be prepping them for intercourse, as thats the kind of thinking pie had, if kids understand sex and can consent to sex with each other then they can consent to sex with adults..

to be fair i come at this as a survivor so have very strong opinions on the topic.. but even if we go back in time to the dark ages while girls started their menses later than now on average a woman had her first child in her early 20s in good times mid to late 20s in the bad times. our maturity to want to have sex/children hasn't altered that much over the last 1500 plus years, the good or bad times also shape our desire, willingness and attitudes to sex.

its not censorship to hold the state to teach things that are age appropriate. even at 15 we only got the briefest ideas of human repoduction even though most had only just started some girls had had their menses for years and at that pont where quite busty, that was just as bad, to much knowledge vs total ignorance..

as for homosexuality, even destigmatising the average age has not changed and I put that down more to the process of finding ourselves, what we want and our differences than ostracism, but then from my view of being a homosexual/lesbian at school it was no biggy in the 70s but this was 70s Brighton..

I was clubbing and drinking at 15 which is more to do with access to proper clubs willing to accept the cash of kids, as an extension of that we went to the pub by the school at lunchtimes while the teachers where in the saloon bar, one leads to another.

there are fine lines between what kids should do they can do and what they do do at differing ages, i would certainly not approve of schools teaching kids to do lines of coc aine, how to engage in sexual asphyxiation, if you start at 10 then where do you end up by 16 if teachers are to keep the topics fresh and relevant to kids..

a reply to: nickyw

Firstly, you have my sympathies for whatever it was you had to survive.

Secondly, I would argue that it wasnt society that was taken in by PIE it was, like I said before, a section of the left that was, the general public would have had nothing at all to do with those types.

I didnt say I had sex at 12, just that I was interested in girls, the same as my mates all were, a bit more teaching about sex and relationships would have been useful though...I still remember how shocked we all were at 14 or so watching our biology teacher putting a condom on a banana ( and that was only because it was at the height of the aids epidemic)
A little more info would have been fine and it would have been nice to get taught where the clitoris was before a fed up girlfriend had to actually show me.

I honestly couldnt tell you the difference between a transvestite and a transsexual. Save perhaps that all transsexuals have a desire to be the opposite sex, whereas transvestites like to wear the opposite sex's clothes as a fetish?

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: WhatItIs

Hardly the same as carryiing on a psuedo sexual relationship on the work it system is it?

How do you explain to elementary kids the delusion there are more “sexes” than biological males and females with discussing sex?

Don't want this forced on my kids. Not a right or wrong thing. That's why you leave it to the parents to read this junk to their kids or not. Break rules or laws = consequences. Kudos to holding people accountable to breaking rules/laws.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: nickyw



I didnt say I had sex at 12, just that I was interested in girls, the same as my mates all were, a bit more teaching about sex and relationships would have been useful though...

Why. Because the sexualization of everything? How about society work to let kids be kids and not make everything about sex. Yes, society should be open and when kids do have question they shouldn’t be afraid to ask. But that doesn’t mean yelling about something to put thoughts in their heads. I wonder how many kids that claim they are transgender do it because the are transgender. Or if they found out claiming to be transgender gets them more attention and privileges than normal kids in many a school district. Sorry to say, transgender seems to be more about being in a political class that’s gives you more power than one would have otherwise, and evens trumps mom and dads authority.

a reply to: WhatItIs

Well you could say that some are more comfortable in the clothes and traditional gender roles of the opposite gender? No need to explain the sex side of it then really, unless that becomes an issue of people wanting to know what goes where on whom.

originally posted by: WhatItIs

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: nickyw



I didnt say I had sex at 12, just that I was interested in girls, the same as my mates all were, a bit more teaching about sex and relationships would have been useful though...

Why. Because the sexualization of everything? How about society work to let kids be kids and not make everything about sex. Yes, society should be open and when kids do have question they shouldn’t be afraid to ask. But that doesn’t mean yelling about something to put thoughts in their heads. I wonder how many kids that claim they are transgender do it because the are transgender. Or if they found out claiming to be transgender gets them more attention and privileges than normal kids in many a school district. Sorry to say, transgender seems to be more about being in a political class that’s gives you more power than one would have otherwise, and evens trumps mom and dads authority.

Well these days, unfortunatelyu most kids are learning about sex and relationships through porn on their phones.
That really isnt healthy at all, I think there is a proper place in school for them to learn about that stuff in a non harmful way.

I kind of agree with you about the way trabnsgenderism seems to be a fashion now, and that is probably a reaction to how it was before, kept hidden away as something shameful.

I dont think either way is good for people to be honest.

originally posted by: Kaiju666
Don't want this forced on my kids. Not a right or wrong thing. That's why you leave it to the parents to read this junk to their kids or not. Break rules or laws = consequences. Kudos to holding people accountable to breaking rules/laws.

Back when I was at school, parents could have their kids removed from such lessons due to personal beliefs.
I don't know why that isnt a thing anymore?

originally posted by: SprocketUK
Back when I was at school, parents could have their kids removed from such lessons due to personal beliefs.
I don't know why that isnt a thing anymore?

OPT OUT isn't always allowed. And from the looks of it, this book wasn't on the official reading list but was something that the teacher decided to do on her own ... and then play stupid afterwards saying she didn't know it was controversial.

a reply to: FlyersFan


Well the lack of opt out is pretty scandalous imo, I get what you mean about the teacher teaching off the list meaning an opt out might not have been effective..

Really though, this shi...shouldnt be part of any culture war, we all want what is best for our kids.

Keep the nutcases away from education altogether no matter what political colour they wear.

originally posted by: WhatItIs
How about society work to let kids be kids and not make everything about sex.

^^ THIS.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: FlyersFan

We wouldnt be in this position without idiot politicians deciding they know best what and when to teach kids.

The problem is precisely with the idiot politicians trying to dictate what is taught to people's kids in schools.

And this teacher is very much part of the problem, but I wonder how many learning hours are lost in an average year because one nutjob or another objects to a leson plan?

So... just to clarify, you are fine with lesson plans for 5th graders where picture books are used to promote gender dysphoria nonsense?

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: FlyersFan


Well the lack of opt out is pretty scandalous imo,

In fact, this kind of garbage should be opt IN, not opt out.

ETA: and should require parental consent to be opted IN.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Yeah I don't personally think it turns a straight kid gay or whatever.