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Scientists Spot Fossil Evidence of a Cyclical Climate on Mars - More Evidence for Life

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posted on Aug, 13 2023 @ 09:05 AM
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A team of scientists from Paul Sabatier University in France led by geochemist William Rapin have published a paper in the Nature journal in which they take a look at hexagonal patterns in sediments pictured by Curiosity rover during its ascent of Mount Sharp in Gale Crater , the patterns indicate past wet and dry seasons over a prolonged period on Mars and given the existence of already discovered organic molecules on Mars their findings suggest conditions that were favourable for the emergence of life on the planet.


A pattern of hexagons at Gale Crater hints at a history of repeated cycle of wet and dry conditions, allowing minerals to dry out between wet spells to create the specific formations that have since fossilized into rock.

"We observe exhumed centimetric polygonal ridges with sulfate enrichments, joined at Y-junctions, that record cracks formed in fresh mud owing to repeated wet-dry cycles of regular intensity," writes a team led by geochemist William Rapin of Paul Sabatier University in France.

"Instead of sporadic hydrological activity induced by impacts or volcanoes, our findings point to a sustained, cyclic, possibly seasonal, climate on early Mars."

The implications of this go beyond a more Earth-like climate. They add more weight to the pile of evidence that conditions on early Mars were conducive to the emergence of biochemistry – the molecular foundations of life.



Finally, the thickness of the patterned rock suggests that regular wet-dry conditions persisted on Mars for a long time – thousands to perhaps millions of years.
We have, as yet, no evidence of microbial life on Mars, but these cyclic conditions would have been favorable for the organization of organic molecules into complex compounds. We know there are organic molecules on Mars, and that they're likely widespread. Weather cycles are another piece of the habitability puzzle.

"The addition of direct evidence for a series of repeated wet-dry cycles presented here supports the conclusion that conditions in ancient Gale Crater were conducive to prebiotic polymerization processes," the researchers write.
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At this point I think it's becoming increasingly obvious with each new discovery that life did indeed start on Mars and for me as conditions changed at the surface that life followed the water underground where it likely still exists , signalling its existence with the seasonal methane spikes we've detected.



posted on Aug, 13 2023 @ 11:59 AM
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Interesting but a bit obvious, as we have known for a long time, but watching the change in size of the polar caps, that Mars does have cyclic weather patterns, so it would be expected that, when Mars had flowing water on its surface that water would also be subject to those weather patters.



posted on Aug, 13 2023 @ 01:33 PM
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It could also Indicate the rover is actually in a desert on earth that has occasional wet seasons.



posted on Aug, 13 2023 @ 04:18 PM
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a reply to: cooperton

There are too many differences between Earth and Mars geology, atmosphere and weather.



posted on Aug, 13 2023 @ 05:20 PM
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originally posted by: gortex
At this point I think it's becoming increasingly obvious with each new discovery that life did indeed start on Mars and for me as conditions changed at the surface that life followed the water underground where it likely still exists , signalling its existence with the seasonal methane spikes we've detected.
I wouldn't go that far. We can certainly say conditions for life were favorable from what little we know about abiogenesis, but the problem is we know so little about abiogenisis. For all we know, abiogenisis may only occur on one planet out of 100 where conditions are favorable, or it could occur on 100 planets out of 100, or anywhere in between, we just don't know at this point.

The question of how difficult it is for life to emerge is interesting – not least because it can shed some light on the likelihood of finding life on other planets.

It would be nice if NASA could send a life detecting experiment or several to Mars to see if it does indeed have microbial life, which it very well may have. They already did that with Viking, but the (somewhat disputed) conclusion was negative on the life test.


originally posted by: cooperton
It could also Indicate the rover is actually in a desert on earth that has occasional wet seasons.
Curiosity took a picture of the Earth and moon in the sky above it, something that would be impossible to do if it was on Earth.



posted on Aug, 13 2023 @ 05:38 PM
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Fascinating. Mars is such an interesting planet, so similar to ours.



At this point I think it's becoming increasingly obvious with each new discovery that life did indeed start on Mars and for me as conditions changed at the surface that life followed the water underground where it likely still exists , signalling its existence with the seasonal methane spikes we've detected.


I personally am at the point where if it does turn out that some form of life exists on Mars underground, it won't actually surprise me. A very "huh, neat" reaction. Would be cool to have confirmation of life on other planets outside of bacterial examples though.

a reply to: cooperton

Which desert would that be? If so someone would've pranked the "Mars" rover team long before now.



posted on Aug, 13 2023 @ 05:53 PM
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Ya better check out the official definition of the word "fossil" .
Makes it sound a "click-bait title" .
Wouldn't the proper term be "geologic " ?

Otherwise , there is plenty of evidence of the existence of a "climate" on Mars .
Long ago , and far away, before Mars lost the "good stuff".



posted on Aug, 13 2023 @ 07:40 PM
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a reply to: Gothmog

"Fossil" is also used for non-living things, like fossilized wind or water ripples or fossil cliffs.

And the word "fossil" is on the original title.


edit on 13/8/2023 by ArMaP because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 13 2023 @ 07:48 PM
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"Fossil" is also used for non-living things,

Wrongly per the official definition .



posted on Aug, 13 2023 @ 11:11 PM
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originally posted by: Ohanka
Fascinating. Mars is such an interesting planet, so similar to ours.
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Other than it's a "rocky planet" it's not very similar.

Mars is about half the diameter of Earth, which means its gravity is about 1/3 that of the Earth.
Its atmosphere is 96% carbon dioxide and it's very thin (about 1% that of Earth), which would kill you within a few breaths.
It's extremely cold, around -65 Centigrade. Your fingers would freeze off in a matter of minutes.
Its crust is mostly iron oxide (unlike Earth)



posted on Aug, 14 2023 @ 03:39 AM
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a reply to: Byrd

It heats up in summer, problem is the temp/pressure on Mars is such that water would generally sublimate directly to gas upon melting. However, the temp does rise high enough during Martian summer for liquid water to form. The Chinese found evidence of liquid water at high lats a couple years back, and those RSL (dark streaks that appear on a seasonal basis) may well point to the existence of liquid water.



posted on Aug, 14 2023 @ 06:32 AM
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originally posted by: Missterious
The Chinese found evidence of liquid water at high lats a couple years back, and those RSL (dark streaks that appear on a seasonal basis) may well point to the existence of liquid water.

Did the Chinese found evidence of liquid water or did they find signs that it's possible for liquid water to exist a high latitudes?

As for the dark streaks, it could be a liquid (some say it's darker sand), water or not.



posted on Aug, 14 2023 @ 11:49 AM
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originally posted by: Ohanka

Which desert would that be? If so someone would've pranked the "Mars" rover team long before now.


They got caught before faking it on Devon Island in Northern Canada: ATS Link

Not sure what desert this would be, lots of candidates out there. If someone noted there's indications of water, that makes me think earth and not so much mars



posted on Aug, 14 2023 @ 11:53 AM
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a reply to: cooperton

From your own link!

"On Devon Island, an island that belongs to Canada, the Mars Rovers were tested before they were sent to Mars. Devon Island is a large uninhabited island that has some of the same characteristics as Mars."


Tested. So not caught "faking it".

Jeezus, fella?!!!!



posted on Aug, 14 2023 @ 11:57 AM
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a reply to: gortex

Problem is the Mars Rover is giving us pictures from back here on Earth and isn't on mars. So... yeah, there will be signs of life.



posted on Aug, 14 2023 @ 03:39 PM
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a reply to: Dutchowl

Do you have any evidence of that?



posted on Aug, 14 2023 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: ArMaP

Doubt it. It will be just the Never A Straight Answer bs.



posted on Aug, 14 2023 @ 04:22 PM
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a reply to: Dutchowl

Source? Apart from the Devon Island bs?



posted on Aug, 14 2023 @ 06:25 PM
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originally posted by: Dutchowl
a reply to: gortex

Problem is the Mars Rover is giving us pictures from back here on Earth and isn't on mars. So... yeah, there will be signs of life.


lol i love a good ruse




All the best



posted on Aug, 14 2023 @ 09:34 PM
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originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: Ohanka
Fascinating. Mars is such an interesting planet, so similar to ours.
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Other than it's a "rocky planet" it's not very similar.

Mars is about half the diameter of Earth, which means its gravity is about 1/3 that of the Earth.
Its atmosphere is 96% carbon dioxide and it's very thin (about 1% that of Earth), which would kill you within a few breaths.
It's extremely cold, around -65 Centigrade. Your fingers would freeze off in a matter of minutes.
Its crust is mostly iron oxide (unlike Earth)


Take the challenge!! What're you, some kind of ape?



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