Excess mortality first week 2023

"As a result of this 'success' the vaccine has been withdrawn in the UK and in most other countries that have ever used them the roll out has stopped".



Completely incorrect.... Astrozenica was stopped for young men, but all other vaccines are still in use in the UK and being given as boosters...

Once again your information is completely wrong..

PA

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Your "reality" is different to myself and some other posters, too.

We are all entitled to our own opinions on here and denying them is in itself engaging in "denialism".

Please have some respect for other posters opinions.

I have asked you before, but you have not been able to do so, please, if you are going to continue to call folk like me "vaccine apologists" then kindly link to any post of mine where I have done that.

Disagreeing with specific posts does not count.

Deny Ignorance.

If you want to deny ignorance then you need to realise what is causing the excess deaths all over the world. And it's all these measures many of you have supported over the last 2-3 years. You may have been against lockdowns which is one of the parameters but it's not the only parameter.

You have indeed engaged in vaccine apologetics just as some other members. But that's your choice.

As I said those who have invested emotionally in these products or in the lockdowns and masks previously are seeing their beliefs dismantled.

What you mean is....

" You need to agree with everything I say on this topic"...

which is clearly ludicrous..

You interpret the data in one way, others interpret it differently... clearly...

When are you gong to realise this simple fact?

PA

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Asmodeus3

"There is no agenda."

LOL 😂😂😂😂😂😂

According to you all of us here have an agenda as we are peddling the narrative.

If there is an agenda then you need to prove it rather than making unsubstantiated claims.

Oh the irony...

PA

originally posted by: PerfectAnomoly

"As a result of this 'success' the vaccine has been withdrawn in the UK and in most other countries that have ever used them the roll out has stopped".

Completely incorrect.... Astrozenica was stopped for young men, but all other vaccines are still in use in the UK and being given as boosters...

Once again your information is completely wrong..

PA

Let me repeat

As a result of this 'success' the vaccine has been withdrawn in the UK and in most other countries that have ever used them the roll out has stopped.

Very correct.

It's nowhere to be found in the UK or in most other countries that has been rolled out. It has been withdrawn.

It is your information which isn't correct.

I find it amusing that some members are giving you stars for your misinformation...

originally posted by: PerfectAnomoly

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Your "reality" is different to myself and some other posters, too.

We are all entitled to our own opinions on here and denying them is in itself engaging in "denialism".

Please have some respect for other posters opinions.

I have asked you before, but you have not been able to do so, please, if you are going to continue to call folk like me "vaccine apologists" then kindly link to any post of mine where I have done that.

Disagreeing with specific posts does not count.

Deny Ignorance.

If you want to deny ignorance then you need to realise what is causing the excess deaths all over the world. And it's all these measures many of you have supported over the last 2-3 years. You may have been against lockdowns which is one of the parameters but it's not the only parameter.

You have indeed engaged in vaccine apologetics just as some other members. But that's your choice.

As I said those who have invested emotionally in these products or in the lockdowns and masks previously are seeing their beliefs dismantled.

What you mean is....

" You need to agree with everything I say on this topic"...

which is clearly ludicrous..

You interpret the data in one way, others interpret it differently... clearly...

When are you gong to realise this simple fact?

PA

Strawman arguments for once more and conclusions based on them. Nothing much achieved.

originally posted by: PerfectAnomoly

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: nonspecific

The same medical professionals, politicians and corporations who pushed vaccines are the ones who advised governments on implementing lockdowns.

Either way it’s their mess and they are to blame for the situation.

Lockdowns don’t work, masks don’t work, quarantines don’t work, mRNA vaccines don’t work. Just as I’ve been saying all along while the cheerleaders sat on their high horse riding us straight into this mess.

People who’ve been consistently wrong during the pandemic should just STFU now.

I would suggest all the evidence suggests that:-

1) Lockdowns worked to slow the spread. this is common sense.
2) Masks worked up to a point. They stopped the spread of large particles.
3) Quarantine clearly worked, this is just basic common sense, it stopped the spread.
4) Vaccines did what they said they would do, stopped serious illness/hospitalisation in the majority.

I don't know where you're getting your weird data from...

All sensible people, with common sense and the capactiy of critical thinking agree with this statement...

PA

It is your data which is weird and not what the other manners has said.

1)Lockdowns were catastrophic
2)Masks do very little or nothing
3)Quarantine is for the sick and not the young and healthy or anyone else who is healthy
4) Vaccines were pushed without testing and as a result they are responsible for countless injuries and deaths. The AZ and J&J vaccines have been withdrawn from most countries that have ever used them. The mRNA products are to follow

As the other member said.

People who’ve been consistently wrong during the pandemic should just STFU now.

I will add that it's best not to engage in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality and you shouldn't defend the pharmaceutical companies. You are supporting the official narrative and there is no support in these threads for such narratives.

a reply to: PerfectAnomoly

By worked I mean created a net benefit when it comes to mortality.

The damage to our healthcare system due to the pandemic response has caused net harm imo, these measures will cause more death than the virus ever could.

originally posted by: PerfectAnomoly

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Your "reality" is different to myself and some other posters, too.

We are all entitled to our own opinions on here and denying them is in itself engaging in "denialism".

Please have some respect for other posters opinions.

I have asked you before, but you have not been able to do so, please, if you are going to continue to call folk like me "vaccine apologists" then kindly link to any post of mine where I have done that.

Disagreeing with specific posts does not count.

Deny Ignorance.

If you want to deny ignorance then you need to realise what is causing the excess deaths all over the world. And it's all these measures many of you have supported over the last 2-3 years. You may have been against lockdowns which is one of the parameters but it's not the only parameter.

You have indeed engaged in vaccine apologetics just as some other members. But that's your choice.

As I said those who have invested emotionally in these products or in the lockdowns and masks previously are seeing their beliefs dismantled.

What you mean is....

" You need to agree with everything I say on this topic"...

which is clearly ludicrous..

You interpret the data in one way, others interpret it differently... clearly...

When are you gong to realise this simple fact?

PA

The data is the data. You can't just interpret it based on your ideology.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

More irony!

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

More irony!

Take a look at the excess amount of deaths all over the world, not just the UK which is your country of origin, and stop engaging in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality and also stop defending the pharmaceuticals and supporting the official narratives. They have collapsed long time ago.

You need to move at the speed of science just as Pfizer all these years!

originally posted by: PerfectAnomoly

"As a result of this 'success' the vaccine has been withdrawn in the UK and in most other countries that have ever used them the roll out has stopped".


Completely incorrect.... Astrozenica was stopped for young men, but all other vaccines are still in use in the UK and being given as boosters...

Once again your information is completely wrong..

PA

The amount of misinformation in your reply is just staggering and there are three members who have given you stars obviously engaging themselves in vaccine apologetics, denialism of reality, and defending of the pharmaceuticals. And propagating misinformation and it seems.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

More irony!

You seem really concerned about the excess mortality. Stop pretending to care.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

I just don't care for doom porn or the "ideology" behind it, or the gleeful, disrespectful or misinformed reporting of tragic deaths. Mentioning no names.

I care very much about the current state of our NHS.

Do you?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

I just don't care for doom porn or the "ideology" behind it, or the gleeful, disrespectful or misinformed reporting of tragic deaths. Mentioning no names.

I care very much about the current state of our NHS.

Do you?

Have you voted Tory of late? Honest question.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

No. I have said on here, many times, that I am firmly now in the "None of The Above" camp.

Honest answer.

originally posted by: PerfectAnomoly

Completely incorrect.... Astrozenica was stopped for young men, but all other vaccines are still in use in the UK and being given as boosters...

Once again your information is completely wrong..

PA

www.reuters.com...

Denmark on Wednesday became the first country to stop using AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine altogether, following news of its possible link to very rare blood clot cases, health authorities said.

www.bhf.org.uk...#:~:text=While%20the%20Oxfo rd/AstraZeneca%20vaccine,are%20mild%20and%20short%2Dterm.

The latest on the AstraZeneca vaccine, from why it is no longer available in the UK, to statistics on the risk of blood clots.

www.businessinsider.com...

Sweden joins Germany, France, and 15 other countries in suspending AstraZeneca's vaccine over possible side effects

Since then most countries that have used the vaccine are not using it anymore and the roll out has been completely stopped. Including the UK which is the country that developed the vaccine. It has been quitely but methodically driven out of the market due to the blood clots and deaths it caused.

I know these are not good news for those who have invested in these vaccines either ideologically or emotionally but this is a reality you need to get used to.

So for once more, stop engaging in vaccine apologetics, denialism of reality, and stop defending the pharmaceuticals. Your argument above has been repeatedly refuted.

a reply to: Grenade

whuich is why the nhs is collapsing and the Fabián's are in discussions with labour to replace it with an affordable national care service that focuses on care rather the healthcare..

the irony of that after it earning the nickname the national covid service will not be lost on many but will go over the heads of others..

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: PerfectAnomoly

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Your "reality" is different to myself and some other posters, too.

We are all entitled to our own opinions on here and denying them is in itself engaging in "denialism".

Please have some respect for other posters opinions.

I have asked you before, but you have not been able to do so, please, if you are going to continue to call folk like me "vaccine apologists" then kindly link to any post of mine where I have done that.

Disagreeing with specific posts does not count.

Deny Ignorance.

If you want to deny ignorance then you need to realise what is causing the excess deaths all over the world. And it's all these measures many of you have supported over the last 2-3 years. You may have been against lockdowns which is one of the parameters but it's not the only parameter.

You have indeed engaged in vaccine apologetics just as some other members. But that's your choice.

As I said those who have invested emotionally in these products or in the lockdowns and masks previously are seeing their beliefs dismantled.

What you mean is....

" You need to agree with everything I say on this topic"...

which is clearly ludicrous..

You interpret the data in one way, others interpret it differently... clearly...

When are you gong to realise this simple fact?

PA

Oh, oh, oh the Irony!!!

PA


The data is the data. You can't just interpret it based on your ideology.

Interesting stuff here, but some folk who hate certain sources gonna hate, cos it's not bitchute or gatewaypundit etc:

BBC News - Covid: Half a million people missed out on heart drugs
www.bbc.co.uk...