Russian sanctions slow to bite as US officials admit frustrations over pace of pain in Moscow

a reply to: MidnightWatcher

Um, it's voluntary?

Voluntary to be a vassal state to the US?
in which the same EU countries now had avoided standing up agaisnt the US invasions in the middle east.

originally posted by: camain
a reply to: vNex92

Taiwan is a part of China, however it is not apart of the CCCP, or the government of the Peoples Republic of China, which is communist. To put it simply, if you read history, The Nationalists were fighting a civil war with the communists when the Japanese invaded, they both teamed up for a time to fight the japanese, however as the Japanese influence faded due to american beating on Japan, the Nationalists and Communists turned on each other. While the Nationalists were the ones hitting the Japanese hard, the Communists were gathering strength. During the civil war, the Nationalist were winning, beating the communists down to 10k. As the Nationalists turned and attacked the Japanese, it gave the Communists breathing room, and they reformed in the countryside, gathering force from the peasant population. The Communists then beat on the Nationalists, and the USA could not reinforce them, while the Russians reinforced the Communists. The Nationalists were forced to retreat, and moved eventually to Taiwan. The Communists Established a government and so did the Taiwanese. Up to the 1971, Taiwan was the recognized government of China. In 1971, the CCCP was recognized, as they outnumbered the population of Taiwan drastically, talking 10k to 1. As you can see, Taiwan has never been a part of the CCCP, they formed their own identity and government and as such, while they are Chinese originally, they have not been for almost 70 years. They are their own nation state, and if the CCCP gave up, Then Taiwan would join China tomorrow, however given the fact that they both have unique forms of government and identity, its not realistic for them to blend back together. China has to give up Communist rule, and that will not happen. As time contintues, eventually Taiwan will declare independance.

As far as Crimea, While the Russians no doubt did do stupid stuff there, almost 75% of crimea identified as russian, Russian was the language spoken there, and Russia had bases there. Yes, I can see Crimea believing it should be part of Russia, HOWEVER, Russia agreed to recognize Ukraines borders in order for Ukraine to give up its nuclear arsenal, which at the time was the 3rd largest in the world. I am willing to bet Ukraine will never do that deal again. Should Ukraine have Crimea, maybe, maybe not. Time will tell.

As far as the sanctions, The only way for the sanctions to work is to get China and India to stop buying raw resources from Russia. It is not beneficial for either to do that right now. The only way to make that happen is to either entice them, or threaten them. I vote neither, just stop trading with them, that solves the issue. Why should we allow nations that benefit from the deaths in Ukraine, and prolong the war in Ukraine to benefit while forcing our allies in Europe to suffer. You want to hurt Russia, two solutions:

For India, simply state that reducing internet bandwidth to 56k dial-up speeds for ever single IP coming into the USA. This will eliminate Video Conferencing, as well as Remote internet connections. Tell them that every month they continue to trade with Russia, we will half the connection. Eventually, in 2 months time, VOIP calls will be impossible, and every outsource blue collar person working in India will be out of a job, as they can't perform the labor.

This can have an added effect of increasing outsourcing to Poland and Eastern Europe, Increasing jobs, and connecting our connections to eastern Europe. The longer this goes on for, the harder it will be on India and the more it will damage their economy in many major cities, as the Blue Collar workforce goes into decay. To date there is almost 4 Million outsourced IT/Business jobs in India, it doesn't sound like much, but their is a lot of money that circulates as a result, as an example, 1 dollar is circulated 10X on average in America, it would be the same there.

For China, notify the car industry, that all cars must not only be made in america, but every single part must be 50% sourced from someplace other than China. That means that China will lose that industry. Tell the car industry they have 120 days to prepare, at which time, congress will implement it. The only way to stop it, is for China to stop trade with Russia, at which point the USA will reduce this back to normal levels provided China does not attempt to circumvent the Russian Sanctions, in which case, if its found to have circumvented, or ignores the USA, after 120, all manufacturers will need to find the parts 50%, and another 120 cycle will start requiring 50% sourced outside of the China and 50% sourced within the USA itself. This will force the manufacturers to move any and all remaining back to the USA. After another 120 days, this goes up to 50% sources in the USA, and 25% sourced from Europe, and after another 120 days 50% sourced from the USA, and 50% sourced from Europe.

With this clearly outlined, manufacturers will prempt the 50% not american sourced, by moving to Europe, more than likely Poland and Eastern Europe, this will drive their economies up, and further solidify our allies. The longer China waits, the harder the impact, hence they will cut off trade. If not, after a year, 240 start doing it to other industries too.

In the mean time, with that being the stick, over them both a carrot. If it is quickly and efficiently implemented, formerly assist India with Natural Gas and Oil development, Solar, and Wind. With China, tell them Trade will stay the same, that is carrot enough.

For the American Economy, open up oil and gas exploration territories specific to being developed only through partnership with USA firms, which India can buy into, Further, give India the incentive that if they do it immediately, and stay true to it, We will establish car trade treaties where the parts can be made there. This will incentive india to move quickly. Once India moves, China will follow, as the economic damage will be significant and we are proping up India to be a regional power comparable to China. China wants to be top dog, they wont like that.

That my two cents at how to make a dent quickly, that said, it could also cause ww3 too, so might want to ignore my advice.

Camain

Taiwan is the original Chinese government in exile

Prior to communist filth infiltrating China and killing 100 million Chinese to install communism by force

China lost its entire culture to wackjob communist ideals

Its not china anyway

It called West Taiwan



They all like to bang on about imperialism and genocide while doing imperialism and genocide don't they

It was about REVENGE not peace

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

He demanded that russia tear down a wall, not collapse.

That's why they pushed a regime change had in Boris Yeltsin to break down Russia and ruin the ecmcony.. Why you believe millions of Russians to protest Yeltsin?

His polices were being advised by western officials.

Reagan had nothing to do with the yeltsin clown, he liked Gorby.

He did frequently muse about 'what was russia thinking?' regarding yeltsin though, but this was well after he left office.

yeltsin happened in 91, Reagan left office in Jan 89.

You guys did that one to yourselves.

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

Um, it's voluntary?

Voluntary to be a vassal state to the US?
in which the same EU countries now had avoided standing up agaisnt the US invasions in the middle east.

What makes you think the EU is a 'vassal state to the US?

If we wanted 'vassal states' it would have been a lot easier without the EU.

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: TritonTaranis

OR The Communist Cultural Revolution?

You forget the color revolutions that were sponsored by the US which the US support nationalist movements which killed thousands more in South America.

Is russia in South America?

Weren't we discussing russia?

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: TritonTaranis

Some on here are blasting Rus for using a private army but are silent or supportive when the US does the same in other conflicts.




Its ok when we do it!

Just for the record, I complained loudly when the US did this, as did countless millions of other American Patriots.



Are any russians protesting russia's front line use of wagner mercenaries?

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: Ilikesecrets

People forgot that the U.S.S.R. broke up and so did their money, they came back and they are used to this, it's no big deal for them. And all Russia want's is Ukraine back. What's so terrible about this?

Jeezus....are you f'ing serious????

LMFAO its INSANE isn't it?

These are the people who berate the West as colonialists and imperialist powers, because raping and pillage people adjacent to you isn't colonialism or imperialism... ITS MINE LOL

Get WWIII started ASAP IMO

a reply to: vNex92

I was giving a margin of error, as realistically, just because you identify as Russian, doesn't mean you want to be Russian. Think about it this way, with all the Russians visiting the EU, is their a part of Russia that wants to be in the EU, sure, no harm in giving a margin, there is still a lot of them and the point was realistically a lot of them did want to be part of Russia.

Camain

a reply to: TritonTaranis
It is insane, no question.

I'm not wanting WW3 though..I wonder if it's becoming inevitable..all depends on Putin.

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: Ilikesecrets

The USSR broke up only because of the regime change polices started off with the reagan admin.

The USSR failed because of Chernobyl bankrupting the country.

US government gives itself too much credit for having a large influence on RUSSIA and on the CLIMATE.

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

So thinks are all hunky dory in russia?

I am sure the sanctions have nothing to do with the high electricity bills.
How is this possible?

Do you not understand that EUROPE wanted the sanctions?

That EUROPE wants to push sanctions even farther than the US does?

Because russia invaded another EUROPEAN country.





The US could completely drop out of the sanctions program and it still wouldn't help russia at all.

FALSE


European people DID NOT want this.

Germany's foreign minister has decided that she will support the war in Ukraine-regardless of what Germans voters want

That's NOT DEMOCRACY
THAT is NOT serving the VOTERS

THAT IS SERVING GLOBALISTS

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

So thinks are all hunky dory in russia?

I am sure the sanctions have nothing to do with the high electricity bills.
How is this possible?

Do you not understand that EUROPE wanted the sanctions?

That EUROPE wants to push sanctions even farther than the US does?

Because russia invaded another EUROPEAN country.





The US could completely drop out of the sanctions program and it still wouldn't help russia at all.

FALSE


European people DID NOT want this.

Germany's foreign minister has decided that she will support the war in Ukraine-regardless of what Germans voters want

That's NOT DEMOCRACY
THAT is NOT serving the VOTERS

THAT IS SERVING GLOBALISTS

Is the German leader 'the US'?

Is Germany 'Europe'?

Did German voters elect that leader?



But yes, the 'European people' are now paying the price for electing previous leaders that got them hooked on buying their energy from a country that doesn't like them very much.




Perhaps you misunderstood the original claim?

a reply to: vNex92

Yeah im calling BS.. Given Russia is buying weapons (ammo etc) from N. Korea and China its not that rosy in Russia.

Simple truth of this war. Biden should have gone all "drill baby drill" and reversed the course of US energy policy the second Russian forces crossed the Ukraine border. Or never changed the US energy policy in the first place.

Because of this stupid and immoral energy policies of the Democrat party and Joe Biden this war has dragged on because JOE BIDEN is a traitor financing both sides of this war. Had the TRAITOR JOE BIDEN allowed the US to go back to energy independence and knocked a barrel of oil back to the 2020 prices or lower Putin would have been too broke to continue the war. Not to mention that at the current high prices for oil he is also financing all the middle east terrorists and other groups that the low oil prices were keeping broke.

The real war criminal here is Biden and his handlers.

a reply to: ntech

I agree regarding the democrat party's disastrous energy policy providing russia with the funding necessary to invade Ukraine, and said so even before the invasion actually started, but 'war criminal'?

a reply to: ntech

take a look through another lens and the EuU was getting the bulk of its gas from the North sea but the green stuff killed that off pushing the like Aberdeen in to thinking they can be experts at decommissioning rigs because the eu could get cheap gas from Putin, so to make these green commitments they gave Putin total control of Europe as gas/oil/electric prices are linked the green stuff becomes as expensive as Putin wants..

we've had since 2014 to return to north sea gas in Europe but no its double down to a point this winter the vulnerable will die unnecessarily of cold, this is as economically damaging as the lockdowns.. and china is rubbing its hands as it get the cheap gas to power its industry..

the west have done this to themselves in the last decade instead of doing all they can to fix it they are still doing all they can to block any/all means to keep the lights on, the homes and food warm.

simply put the USA can not help the West as it was is gone.. even the gas its sending is causing issues as its contaminated,

Concerns over “contaminated” gas delivered from UK to Europe

extract

A group of companies has raised concerns over increased amounts of “contaminated” gas transferred through subsea pipelines from the UK to European countries.

Britain exports liquefied natural gas received from other countries, including the US and Qatar via interconnectors from Bacton in Norfolk to Belgium and the Netherlands.

a reply to: vNex92

Although Russia is feeling the pain on the battlefield which I think is more important.

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

So thinks are all hunky dory in russia?

I am sure the sanctions have nothing to do with the high electricity bills.
How is this possible?

Do you not understand that EUROPE wanted the sanctions?

That EUROPE wants to push sanctions even farther than the US does?

Because russia invaded another EUROPEAN country.





The US could completely drop out of the sanctions program and it still wouldn't help russia at all.

FALSE


European people DID NOT want this.

Germany's foreign minister has decided that she will support the war in Ukraine-regardless of what Germans voters want

That's NOT DEMOCRACY
THAT is NOT serving the VOTERS

THAT IS SERVING GLOBALISTS

Hurrrrrrrrrrrrrr

So 500m Europeans protested against the war did they?

So when western nations stick together on defense issues = Globalists?

What would you call russia china iran and a bunch of 3rd worlds? Anti Globalists? LMAO

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