Three Strikes for Empire

Well is its not us against the Islamic world then where were the mass demonstrations against the fanatics? Al l I saw were parades honoring them.

Oh boy, more sheep who believe that Al-Qaeda is out to get us...

Can anyone PLEASE tell me why a group OUR GOVT funded would attack us? I can; to get the necessary event needed for the abominable Patriot Acts! Then again, I guess wiretaps and po pos sneaking in your house while you aren't home is good.

James has a good point with the radical muslim/jew thing. Those damn radical jews were gonna take over Germany, Hitler had to put em down! Now, the radical muslims are gonna take us over, so we gotta exterminate them...

Souljah, the gun/liquor store response was insightful. Can anyone explain to me why you don't find this in Beverly Hills? Really? Is it the "let them kill each other so we don't have to thing?" Hmmm...

History really does repeat itself. If we do go into a 1984 scenario then I can tell you I will fight for my freedom. I'm sure there will be thousands who would rather re-make the country in its original image then to follow bush. If there is a second Cival War, I can tell you, I'll be fighting on the side of the Americans. Of course I would much rather have a coo and eliminate the heads of our government then to be fighting my misguided brothers.

The big question though, is what can we do to stop it?

Thinking about Souljah's original post . . .

I think america is very definitely following a policy of economic imperialism. Honestly, it seems that in the post-modern age, holding other people's geography is simply a means to controlling resources.

While it is certainly not the agrarian democracy advocated by the founders, I must also say that we no longer live in an agrarian world. The founders could AFFORD to be neutral, since it took sailing ships 6 weeks to get to America, and most of the soldiers sent here would be half-starved by the time they were fighting against the American insurgency.

What countries actually live out democracy and non-militarism? Don't name Switzerland, they are HEAVILY militarized, almost like Israel. And they have definitely mastered the art of economic imperialism. They have kept their independence since 1800 by bribery and coercion; not by veil of neutrality they hide behind.

France? Just ask freedom fighters in Cote D'Ivorie, getting shot at by French combat helicopters. America certainly doesn't have a corner on the imperialistic invasion racket.

Germans? Hmmm. While they don't deploy a lot of troops, they sure backed the American "intervention" in the Balkans, which certainly served their economic interest in balkan oil. . .

Finland might be an example, I guess. In order to avoid becoming Soviet lebensraum, they had to make themselves militarily formidable, and yet not a Western puppet either.

Finland is not an area that is wildly coveted by the rest of the planet, while America is. The mere fact that we are the "world's economy" makes us a target whether we like or not. Finland and Mauritius can afford to be neutral, since no one is currently looking to annex them or destroy their currency.

If we don't have American troops on foreign soil tonight, we will have foreign troops on American soil tomorrow morning. . . .

Originally posted by spliff4020
Only in America can we be attacked and hated and not allowed to hold any anomisity towards the aggresors. Maybe another 9/11 will bolster my sentiment.

Mabye another 9/11 might bolster support for your aparant homicedal urges topwards eradicateing or "Evakuieren" as one man put it of the islamic population of the world..

They hate us and only want something from us when disaster strikes. Any other time, we are infidelic pagen scum. Interesting.

Funny dont you think that way about europeans?

cownosecat congratulations thanks to our great Patriot Act you have Secret Service and other agencies checking you out and enjoying your house, unless you live outside the U.S.
By the way I’m a supporter of the Patriot Act it keeps certain individuals in check. I have nothing to hide in my house or otherwise so I do not mind the Government snooping around. The people who must hate it obviously have something to hide.

Now devil not all of Europe is like that, France is but the others aren't.
Also to me its so funny to hear these radicals say its Allas will for what happens then why don't they think it’s Allas will that we are the Top Dog. Its Bs all they do is hate Americans.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
By the way I’m a supporter of the Patriot Act it keeps certain individuals in check. I have nothing to hide in my house or otherwise so I do not mind the Government snooping around. The people who must hate it obviously have something to hide.

Sir, you are the prime reason that the police state will take over. I hope you don't cry when they throw you in a van and you're never heard from again...

Originally posted by dr_strangecraft

If we don't have American troops on foreign soil tonight, we will have foreign troops on American soil tomorrow morning. . . .

u're right about that... this is the sad reality of the world, another way is to implement ur secret services in offensive action, just to keep the world "clean" :s

Well is its not us against the Islamic world then where were the mass demonstrations against the fanatics? Al l I saw were parades honoring them.

Maybe from a minority, it's easy to get people to see what they want you to see. If you are on about the apparent "Palestinian" parade, with the women cheering etc, that was prooved to be file footage, in relation to something else taken in 2000.

I think america is very definitely following a policy of economic imperialism. Honestly, it seems that in the post-modern age, holding other people's geography is simply a means to controlling resources.

It always has been. The British Empire was so powerful (and Britain so rich) because we took the natural resources from the colonies, turned them into products, and sold them back to the colonies (nice business if you can get it).

What countries actually live out democracy and non-militarism? Don't name Switzerland, they are HEAVILY militarized, almost like Israel. And they have definitely mastered the art of economic imperialism. They have kept their independence since 1800 by bribery and coercion; not by veil of neutrality they hide behind.

To an extent that is true. However, Switzerland does not maintain a huge standing army. It is a requirement that all men over a certain age have military training, and must keep their service weapons at home, but they are by no means "militarised", not like the West with standing Army's etc.

France? Just ask freedom fighters in Cote D'Ivorie, getting shot at by French combat helicopters. America certainly doesn't have a corner on the imperialistic invasion racket.

Hahaha. Thats crap.

Freedom Fighters? It was the Ivory Coast Air Force that got knackered by the French. Do you know why?

Because the Ivory Coast Government bombed a rebel held town (in breach of the UN ceasefire, which the French are their to enforce) and killed civilians and 9 French soldiers.

The French, in retaliation, took the Airport, and destroyed the planes, whilst killing no one. Thats peacekeeping! Despite taking losses themselves.

If we don't have American troops on foreign soil tonight, we will have foreign troops on American soil tomorrow morning. . . .

Oh dear god....... Why does the US always have to have an enemy? Fair enough there are trading "enemies", but that does not mean they wish to occupy your country for gods sake.

Its one thing to fear terrorists (and that is sad also, as that is what they want. Look at how the UK handled the Irish problem and you may learn something), but to start attacking other countries because "tomorrow it will be us" is exactly how other countries have behaved, and got their cumupence.

By the way I’m a supporter of the Patriot Act it keeps certain individuals in check. I have nothing to hide in my house or otherwise so I do not mind the Government snooping around. The people who must hate it obviously have something to hide.

OK Westy, but what if "they" decided YOU needed to be kept in check? What for you ask? Whatever they damn well feel like, because they can. How would you feel, eh?

You already had the laws in place to stop terrorists, in fact, you could have stopped 9/11 (unless we digress into other theories behind it), but chose not to.

Ever hear of the PNAC report stating they needed another Pearl Harbour to get the US population behind all this war-making and resource grabbing?

Wake up, for fecks sake.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Now devil not all of Europe is like that, France is but the others aren't.

And our survey said......**cue wrong answer music** france doesnt hate you....get over it..

Also to me its so funny to hear these radicals say its Allas will for what happens then why don't they think it’s Allas will that we are the Top Dog.

Its Bs all they do is hate Americans.

Top dog at what ?
Haveing the largest ammount of obese people on the planet?
Haveing the largest debt in the world?
Some hate the USA some dont, you need to be able to define it...

Originally posted by devilwasp
Top dog at what ?

well neocon or not u have to admit that the US has the most intelligent political appartus well it's been able to brain-wash a huge portion of the global population. They just know what they're doin
In fact i don't have a problem with that... it suites me well

Originally posted by Bl00D_Th0rN
well neocon or not u have to admit that the US has the most intelligent political appartus well it's been able to brain-wash a huge portion of the global population. They just know what they're doin
In fact i don't have a problem with that... it suites me well

HA HA come on!
The US is an idiotic pollitical appartus, look at the taliban...OOPS...look at iraq...oops....
The list goes on!
BTW they only managed to brainwash about 16 countries...the others didnt believe a word

OK, lets take a look at this new War on Terrorism - the word terrorism here means - the Enemies of the Free Western World. If we take a look into the past, we can see that USA have supported these "terrorists" numerous times - and I am not just talking about Al-Qaeda and Afganistan. Does Nicaragua ring a bell to anybody? Does anybody remember who Reagan's goverment supported in the year 1981?

A key role in the development of the Contra alliance was played by the United States following Ronald Reagan's assumption of the presidency in January 1981. Reagan accused the Sandinistas of importing Cuban-style socialism and aiding leftist guerrillas in El Salvador. On November 23 of that year, Reagan signed the top secret National Security Decision Directive 17 (NSDD-17), giving the Central Intelligence Agency the authority to recruit and support the Contras with $19 million in military aid. The effort to support the Contras was one component of the so-called Reagan Doctrine, championed by American conservatives, which called for providing U.S. military support to movements opposing Soviet-supported, communist-led governments.

And what happened later, when Nicaragua tried to fill a suit against the USA in the World Court? NOTHING!

In 1984 Nicaragua filed a suit in the World Court against the United States in Nicaragua v. United States, which in 1986 resulted in a guilty verdict against the US, calling on it to "cease and to refrain" from the unlawful use of force against Nicaragua through direct attack by US forces and through training, funding and support of the terrorist forces. The US was "in breach of its obligation under customary international law not to use force against another state" and was ordered to pay reparations. The US response to this ruling was to dismiss the jurisdiction of the court and escalate the war, besides pointing out that the court did not take in consideration the place Nicaragua played in the Cold War waged by proxy in an effective Soviet offensive

But who care right? Who even remembers!

USA is one of the Main sponsors of the world wide terrorism - and the so called "War on Terror" is really without any effect. The USA are doing exactly what OBL want them to - they are "stuck" in a middle eastern conflict zone, just like Soviet Union was once stuck in Afganistan. So if you think that USA military presence in the Middle East will help to bring peace to this region, you are seriously wrong.

But that is what the Empire wants, and that is what they shall receive - an Endless war against a phantomic enemy. And with all new Patriot Act I and II, the US goverment has every right to take all of your human rights. And they wont face the World Court, never!

[edit on 3/4/05 by Souljah]

So how many Muslims deaths have the US been responsible for since then. Do you even know why this attack was made?

Don't know. and don't care how many. As far as I'm concerned, not enough. Stand in our way and you'll get what you deserve. Why was the attack made? Some will say its because we have a base in Saudi Arabia. Sounds stupid to me. Doesnt matter. What does is the 3000+ dead in the bottom of Manhatten.

Yeah it has positively been raining high explosive in New York since hasn't it? You poor bastards I feel for you I do. If it is your intention to get into a 'they started it' based debate then I would suggest you look a little further back in history first.

You seem to be hokding some giant secret that none of us know about. Care to elaborate? The only history I know, is 7 years earlier when then they tried and failed to bring the buildings down.

What are you protecting yourselves from? I dont see the paratroopers falling from the sky on CNN exactly.

Of course you dont. Thats because we bring it to them. While I havent seen paratroopers, I did see planes crashing into buildings. Hmm. Pretty much the same to me. We are over there fighting this war, so that we never see paratroopers landing here. Althought the rest of the world seems to think that we should wait untill then. Absurd.

So why, if 'they' are so intent their nefarious goals, didn't they take full advantage of Clinton's laxness?

They did. The USS Cole. The first WTC bombing, the various embassy bombings, then finally the 2nd WTC attack. By that time they knew that the worst thing that would happen would be some cruise missles lobbed at abandoned training camps. Once Bush hit back, and hard, they all start crying. Well, boo-hoo. Shouldnt have knocked our buildings down. But, yes, they did take FULL advantage of Clintons laxness.

The world hates Bush because he is an idiot who starts was for money and has turned the reputation of a once great country into a international disgrace.

Nooo. the world hates Bush because he has the balls to fight back. Whether or not the "world" agrees. I guarantee you that any other country with the ways and means would have responded the same way. You can go into Iraq if you'd like, but was intel from the rest of the world that showed us it was neccesary to go there. The world is a better place without Saddam and his sons. Im glad someone stepped in and did what was neccesary.

I dont see the muslim people, or the jews, christians or jehova's witnesses for that matter, trying to take over the world. This viewpoint seems to be a prime example of the campaign of fear and paranoi that your govern-bent is conducting. (That is if you really are SERIOUS??!!?)

No but you do see the Taliban, right? If they had the ways and means, do you think they would stop with Afghanastan? Doubtfull. But since we got the bombs, we got the power. Trust me, they would love nothing more than to get rid of us.

The bottom line is this: 'They' may or may not have started it but the US govern-bent is intent on using the premise of terror to create an empire, to make more money, to walk the path of Hitler, Napoleon and so many others only to end up on their asses.

No, the OUR government is hell bent of protecting us and our interests globally. Comparisons to Hilter and all that nonsense is useless. Its a different time now. There has been no other time in history where any nation possesed a militay such as ours. A hundred years ago all militarys were pretty much the same, except in numbers. Now, its different.

Jeff Buckley created something beautiful and unique with his life. The pope just spouted the doctrine of others, not to mention his interlude selling poison gas to the Nazi's. But Hey! the Jews were 'inferior sub humans' too werent they? And I bet that RADICAL JEWS were plotting to take over Germany in 1933, just like Hitler said just like your RADICAL MUSLIMS are now.

Umm this pope didnt sell anything. However I can see where a pope during the height of WW2 would be able to handle the Nazis. Im sure that any resistance would have ended up with St. Peters in ruins. They had that pope in a choke hold. But it wasnt this one, so get your facts straight. And Hitlers hatred of the Jews wasnt that far fetched. Many in Germany blamed the Jewish control of Germany for getting them into (and screwed in the end) WW1. Its just that when the syphillis got full control of Hitler, he went way nuts. Any rate, there was alot of hatred for the jews in germany. Look it up.

Yes, just like you will find a Gun Store next to a Liquor Store in Compton LA, but you wont find them in Bevery Hills, right? Really helps the problem of young Black Men killing each other - I guess that is what the White Man wants right?

No, thats what the black man wants. Its all supply and demand. Not my problem or fault.

[edit on 3-4-2005 by spliff4020]

Well spliff, you obviously have it all figured out and if these rationales work for you then fine. I trust however that there are many people in the world who are willing to take a broader and less self-interested look at things. If you would interpret that as meaning less realistic then good for you. No one is asking you to join. We are just giving you the chance to see things differently.

Top dog at what ?

Being the worlds only Superpower. And all the other stuff that comes along with it.

Haveing the largest ammount of obese people on the planet?

Hey if our people have food to eat then why let it go to waste, other countries starve their people we tell ours enjoy you food.

Haveing the largest debt in the world?

Nope having a really big GDP.

Some hate the USA some dont, you need to be able to define it...

I know I was talking about he Fanatics, that their reason don't stand up and they use excuses for the sole purpose that they just simply hate us.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Being the worlds only Superpower. And all the other stuff that comes along with it.

No I am afraid not westy....unless your now trying to say the US is now top dog when it comes to makeing rifles?

Hey if our people have food to eat then why let it go to waste, other countries starve their people we tell ours enjoy you food.

....Thats your excuse?
Because they can they should?

Nope having a really big GDP.

And that makes you better than say luxemburg how?

I know I was talking about he Fanatics, that their reason don't stand up and they use excuses for the sole purpose that they just simply hate us.

Stand up to what?
To you?
To me?
To joe blogs down the street eating his donut **joe blogs down the street eating his donut, stops eating and sneezes...."damm someones talking about me again......" ***

You know for a supposed "conspiracy" web site, I am constantly amazed to see such mainstream views prevalent.

I am soo sick of hearing how we are fighting them there so we don't have face them here........

No troops are going to come to America, least of all muslim troops. Can you name one Muslim nation that is mililtarily equipped to invade us? .......NONE ,not a single one! No aircraft carriers, no para-troopers,WMD's nada, zip ,zero ,zilch.

For being such proud members of the "stongest"nation on earth you sure do seem really scared that someone might come and get you. You all sound pretty frightened to me, and fright is not a character of strength.

As for the supposed patriot who feels he has nothing to hide, and gets all moist about the patriot act , I find it appropriate at this time to quote one of our founding fathers: Because it was people like YOU that he had in mind when he said:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."-Benjamin Franklin

And I am sorry Westpoint, but you deserve NEITHER!



[edit on 3-4-2005 by 1wintermute1]

[edit on 3-4-2005 by 1wintermute1]

Thanks 1wintermute1 you have reinforced some of the points I have been trying to make in this thread. Especially in reguard to the 'Big Muslim Threat' to manland US. I mean come onnnnn! As if the 3rd Caliph Camel Cavalry is poised at the gates of Washington DC. What a joke! The whole scare camaign is an obvious attemt to distract the audience with one hand while you steal their watch with the other IMO.

As for the old 'Protecting US interests overseas' line. What interests??!!? The US is a self sufficient country with the capital to purchase what it wan's honestly. I cannot for the life of me imagine what these interests are and why they are so important.

I agree, Winter, you would think there would be lots of people on this site talking about how the govt killed Kennedy, how Elvis was an alien, or other "conspiracies." Most of what I see is, as you said, mainstream regurgitation. Oh well...

Spliff, you are a fockin idiot. If we black men want guns so bad, why would we buy them from gun stores? Everyone knows you buy heat off the street if you want to do something criminal (except you, maybe:lol. Maybe I shouldn't blast you, after all, you have just been brainwashed by the media. I bet you would be surprised to know how many white people are on welfare..., but that wouldn't fit into your worldview that has been carefully crafted for you.