Covd 19 - It's not too late - Let's Stop it Now!

Mutations are like Russian roulette. Normally inconsequential, but it doesn't take a lot to make even mild viruses deadly. I certainly don't dismiss this out of hand and assume safety due to low probabilities.

a reply to: ketsuko

a reply to: TheRedneck

That's why we eat a variety of foods: to get all the nutrients we need, and let our bodies determine how to balance them out depending on our needs at the time. We can't calculate that; we can't even understand it all yet. That's why it is best to rely on our bodies and make the smallest adjustments necessary as they become necessary.

From 2011 to 2013, I worked with medically fragile children. All of them were on ventilators and were between the age of 3 months and 9 years old. Children on ventilators frequently fall victim to infections. I got sick from an infant about 3 months old. It was the strangest respiratory infection I ever had, and it left me unable to even make a squeaking sound for weeks. The culture came back with as "unidentifiable". I have not had a cold or the flu since. I call it my mystery immune system booster. Add to my mystery booster the fact that my time working with an infectious disease specialist that was anti all antibacterial products, and hand sanitizer was forbidden, I believe this also helped me build a strong immune system.

I eat a lot of home grown produce, almost no red meat, chickens and eggs raised from our own flock, that is free ranging, and fed only all natural non-GMO food. No artificial sweeteners or cane sugar, only honey from my Brother's bee hives, this might have something to do with me being pretty healthy and my 86 year old mother being still strong enough to work the garden and cut the grass.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Between this post, Bo's post about "really really" emphasizing diet, and NightSkye mentioning fresh bread and tea.. I gave this a good think.

Ive been trying to make posts/threads on some relatively easy, relatively universal aspects that actually address a lot of.. stuff.

Ive avoided anything about diet because.. Its an immense topic.

Its also probably the most important one.

But, the more I put thought into it, the trickier it becomes. Going well into even esoteric and spiritual territory. It also includes levels of discipline and self-awareness that in many, seem lost. There are probably regional trends, and general rules, but its all so individual..

Its really been a subject on my mind, as I figure out the specifics of my aquaponics system and try to continue recovering from this health ordeal.

I do think that some easy, full vitamin & mineral panel would be incredibly useful. Both in specific treatments as well as general diet. As far as I can tell, it doesnt exist.

I have to agree with the statement that "we cant even understand it all yet."

Because fresh bread and tea are two of the things Ive been craving most as of late. Kinda interesting, that. And, its more than just the food/drink themselves too. I want to make that bread. I want to brew that tea "right." So, Im listening to that craving.

Is that still "diet?" Im beginning to think it is. What we feed our minds and what we feed our bodies, and how we go about it..

a reply to: AlienView

My reaction to your post vacillates between anger and honest pity at your situation. I do not intend that to sound degrading. I feel pity for those who are so desperate to hold onto the idea that the status quo is real and coming back that they simply cannot look away from the mainstream narrative.

I get it. It's a gigantic jump and it means horrible things to say we're in the NWO agenda RIGHT NOW and a great many millions of people will likely die by the time this is over - and not by any virus.
It also means the ONLY way out of this is for the people to truly rise up against the current establishment with extreme measures, also bringing great danger to all.

There is no way out of this that is a happy one. We are too far into their evil plans now. But I warn you, NOT paying attention and researching and letting them get away with everything without a fight, is a MUCH more grave outcome that any one of us can imagine. Even myself.

So, I beg you, to start paying attention and learning the truth of what is happening.
Start by turning off your television set and spend that time researching online.

a reply to: Serdgiam

Well, combined with the research I have done into AI and learning, that craving for fresh bread and tea is what I call a Pavlovian response to a need for something in fresh bread and tea. Think of it this way: the brain is hard-wired for two and only two things. It wants "pleasure" and it wants to avoid "pain." Everything else is a learned response based on initial programming (instinct). At some point in your life, chances are that you had a small imbalance that was solved by fresh bread and tea (it might have been two instances, one for each). When you ate the fresh bread and drank the tea, you subconsciously associated those smells and tastes (inputs) with a degree of pleasure (correction of the imbalance). Now, when that imbalance happens (pain), your brain begins to look for whatever is associated with alleviation (pleasure). You begin to crave the foods that helped in the past.

All of this could have happened without you even being aware it happened.

We all get programmed early on with a sort of menu of what foods help what condition. It will be different for everyone based on their dietary history and chemical balance history. Some cravings may even be harmful in the long run; diabetics typically crave sugar, which can harm them... but that is because a diabetic, sans insulin, is indeed needing sugar at the cellular level! That's what insulin does: it allows the accumulated sugars in the bloodstream to be utilized by the cells. Your body only knows, at that subconscious level, that cells need sugar, so one craves sugar.

In a similar way, a person who has a psychological eating disorder, say, a tendency to overeat when depressed, may crave just plain food in order to try and fight a depressed feeling. That doesn't actually work on anything but a psychosomatic level, but the body only knows what it has learned... correctly or incorrectly.

However, many cravings, like yours (I cannot see bread and tea as unhealthy), are the result of actual discrepancies in body chemistry that the body knows how to correct based on dietary history. In some cases, the imbalance may be severe enough that dietary adjustments will not completely correct it, but any correction back toward optimal is still seen as "pleasure" in the learning process. That's where our intelligence has to kick in... we are not completely Pavlovian in nature. We can analyze what we are craving, consult symptoms of various imbalances to compare against present conditions, and use supplements where indicated. The cravings are still critical; if our supplement use is correct, the cravings will slowly vanish as our body chemistry approaches optimal.

I tell you, the more I learn about the human body, the more amazing it becomes and the more I realize that all I really have to do is listen to what it's telling me to solve 95% of the issues I face.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck
Totally agree with a lot you said in that post . Occasionally i crave an orange juice and will do so for perhaps 4/5 days . Other times its vegemite our national spread . Vegemite is chock full of b group vitamins B1, B2, B3 and B9 . The body knows for sure .

a reply to: hutch622

At one point after my heart surgery, I was watching TV and an advertisement for ketchup came on. Suddenly I was craving ketchup! So I ate some potatoes with ketchup... not enough. I wound up eating slices of light bread drenched in ketchup every night for a couple of weeks! It got so bad that I actually was buying extra of both. I have no idea to this day what it was in the ketchup that I was needing so bad, but the craving finally went away.

Lately I have been craving tilapia... the local buffet has it, and the restaurants here just opened up. I think it's time for a buffet run.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: AlienView
Forget all the conspiracies - even if there is a touch of truth in some of them.

The best lies are couched mostly truth.

The value of testing is limited to detecting points of concentration - Personally you can't rely upon it because there is still no cure for it.

There is... for those willing to actually look and listen to those of us who have been telling you about it since this started.

People, all people, should, if possible avoid social interaction that isn't necessay.

# that. I go out as much as possible, and am always actively seeking people to shake hands with and yes, even hug - mainly to give the middle finger to people like you.

Almost anyone you know could have it and/or be carrying it and not be aware of it

Don't care. AT ALL. It won't phase me, or anyone I know and care about, because I know how to deal with any potential issues.

All businesses, including the health care industry, must develop a new paradigm of operations to protect themselves, their employees and their customers.

##YourNewNormal

The survival of Civilization - In fact the survival of the Human race is at stake.

LET'S STOP IT NOW

Well, on this we agree... yes, please STOP THE FEAR-MONGERING NOW! The survival of our species is at stake.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: hutch622
At one point after my heart surgery, I was watching TV and an advertisement for ketchup came on. Suddenly I was craving ketchup! So I ate some potatoes with ketchup... not enough. I wound up eating slices of light bread drenched in ketchup every night for a couple of weeks! It got so bad that I actually was buying extra of both. I have no idea to this day what it was in the ketchup that I was needing so bad, but the craving finally went away.

Lately I have been craving tilapia... the local buffet has it, and the restaurants here just opened up. I think it's time for a buffet run.

Cravings are generally caused by a) serious imbalances/insufficiency of minerals and/or other nutrients, and b) toxins masquerading as food.

The biggest causes are sugar (in all its forms, but worst is HFCS (high fructose corn syrup), vegetable oils, some artifical flavorings, etc etc ad nauseum.

The only way to avoid this garbage is to stop eating all - ALL - processed foods, and eat only food that has been grown without chemicals, and minimally processed. Buy local. Inspect your farmers (don't buy from any that don't allow people to come visit any time).

a reply to: tanstaafl

Very few things are actually toxic... quite a few can cause imbalances if too much is consumed. You mentioned some of them.

I think there has been a bit of an over-reaction to the concept of natural foods lately. Yes, some things are not exactly food (partially-hydrogenized soybean oil is a good example... yes, it helps you lose weight, because you can't absorb plastic), but then again, the human body can handle a wide range of foods.

Whether or not a chemical is harmful depends on the chemical. Denying any chemical use is an over-reaction, because without them farmers will not be able to grow as much food. Their need to live doesn't change based on how much food they produce... the farmer who makes $40,000 a year growing food will still need $40,000 even if he only produces half as much food. That means the food will cost others twice as much. There's a balance between efficient farming and achieving the goal of feeding people. The recent scare over Roundup is a good example. I know people who have used it properly for years and never had a problem. It makes cultivation much easier and allows farmers to farm more land and grow more crops. A few people have ignored the warnings on the label and used it improperly and gotten sick, though, so now it could be discontinued. It's pretty toxic of concentrated; diluted, it's pretty safe. I still wouldn't bathe in it even diluted, though.

I would also suggest that few farmers are going to allow unrestricted visits at any time to anyone. The ones I know live on their farms; that is their home. Are you willing to allow anyone to walk into your home at any time to inspect it?

If it's that important to you, grow a garden and leave the farmers alone.

TheRedneck

a reply to: tanstaafl

Eh, generally, it's sufficient to do most of your shopping along the outer ring of the grocery store. Most of our budget is spent on produce and meat with less on dairy and the least on the aisles.

Then learn to cook and take most of your meals from that.

You'll end up losing weight and be healthier. Since we've gone to that plan, my two biggest cravings are salt and fat (meat fat - but we eat mostly poultry and fish so I get it, rabbit starvation), and I rarely get those cravings.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Ah, and what if we have a second brain?

Its more interesting than the comedic title might suggest lol.. Even talks about cytokines.

Thats one of the issues though, right? Diet may very well be a lifelong journey that includes our body, mind, and even our lil microbe colonies.

Cravings could be from long term responses, actual addictions to things like processed white sugar, as well as real time imbalances. Thats where the discipline and self-awareness come in.

I think the same is true for what we feed our minds. A little garbage every now and again is fine.. But we have built entire platforms that get people addicted to garbage mental diets, literally addicted to extreme emotions. Could the same, or similar "craving mechanisms" be at play here too?

I think they are all the most critical factors during a time like this, for so many reasons.. but they can be whittled down to one word: diet.

All the same, basic information on this stuff should have been shared just like the big ol "total deaths!!1!!1" number plastered on every screen. Usually with the color red involved somewhere. Kind of a Pavlovian thing with that color too, eh?

For temporary measures during so-called "flu" season, I do think recommendations for supplements, at least, would be helpful. Perhaps catered a bit to region. Actually getting these things from Diet is the way to go, but that might be a long term goal.

I think more lives would be saved, every year, by actually educating people on these things. If the damnable "news" would have simply said "folks, every day eat some [insert food high in vit c], get at *least* half an hour in the sun, and take some zinc.." We might save more lives than any of the ridiculous measures we are currently taking.


I feel that Glyphosate still needs more study, personally. Most research seems to be either one extreme or the other, but I thought this(PDF) writeup was quite reasonable and well sourced.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: tanstaafl

Very few things are actually toxic... quite a few can cause imbalances if too much is consumed. You mentioned some of them.

Actually, this is plain wrong. The things I outlined are outright toxic. Maybe not toxic in the sense of causing instant death, but that isn't what I meant.

I think there has been a bit of an over-reaction to the concept of natural foods lately.

Not sure what you mean... you mean 'over-hyped'?

Yes, some things are not exactly food (partially-hydrogenized soybean oil is a good example... yes, it helps you lose weight, because you can't absorb plastic),

No, it doesn't help you lose weight - the opposite in fact. It causes inflammation, which can cause all kinds of other problems. It may not directly cause weight gain, but it certainly doesn't cause weight loss.

but then again, the human body can handle a wide range of foods.

That isn't food. It is a chemically processed toxin.

Whether or not a chemical is harmful depends on the chemical. Denying any chemical use is an over-reaction,

I agree.

Vitamin C - ascorbic acid - C6H8O6 - is a good example.

because without them farmers will not be able to grow as much food.

If we went back to traditional farming methods farmers wouldn't need all of the chemicals.

The recent scare over Roundup is a good example. I know people who have used it properly for years and never had a problem.

Until they get cancer.

I would also suggest that few farmers are going to allow unrestricted visits at any time to anyone.

I didn't say unrestricted - did I?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: tanstaafl
Eh, generally, it's sufficient to do most of your shopping along the outer ring of the grocery store. Most of our budget is spent on produce and meat with less on dairy and the least on the aisles.

Then learn to cook and take most of your meals from that.

You'll end up losing weight and be healthier. Since we've gone to that plan, my two biggest cravings are salt and fat (meat fat - but we eat mostly poultry and fish so I get it, rabbit starvation), and I rarely get those cravings.

If you're craving salt, you probably need more salt. Same for meat.

Salt is just another health food that has gotten a totally bad rap. Most people are deficient.

I haven't felt better since I went on a 99% carnivore diet. It is by far the best elimination diet there is, but many people have achieved tremendous health benefits by staying on it for many years.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Oh, I know that.

I've always been a total saltoholic and never a big sweet tooth.

It's one of the things they say when you start cooking most of your own stuff - If you're watching your calories, you will end up under your daily sodium recommendations without even trying most times, and where I tend to like more salt to begin with ... salt cravings! Voila!

As for the meat fat thing, like I said, I get it. We tend to wind up with a lot of lean proteins in our diet. Poultry is cheap and easy, and we all really like fish. So we eat lots of those two things. So it's inevitable that I end up craving fatty foods/meat fat on occasion. When I do, we do slow-roasted pork shoulder where the fat cap comes out nice and crispy/salty, and that satisfies both needs all at once. I just have to hang on for the nearest weekend.

a reply to: Serdgiam

In many ways, diet is a lifelong journey. If learning on the subconscious level exists, then that learning carries on form infancy until death. My research showed the ability for re-learning to be non-linear, but still algebraically cumulative; in other words, any behavior (including subconscious) could be learned and become essentially static, but still "un-learned" given enough time and stimulation toward a negative result.

I see little reason why there should be a difference between responses based on physical and responses based on emotional inputs. The purpose is the same: increase pleasure and decrease pain. We do have certain neurotransmitters designed to elicit responses based on that paradigm... your link mentions seratonin for example. Thus, constant bombardment of social signalling, such as the MSM has done with the pandemic, could have a scientific foundation for being correctly referred to as "brain-washing," akin in to drug addiction but to these neurotransmitters rather than an external substance.

On the glycosphate... that link seemed to me to indicate a wide variation between dangerous and non-dangerous levels. Science has decided, for some reason, that dangerous and non-dangerous are the same thing on a semi-linear scale. To illustrate, look at tobacco toxicity... typical testing uses extremely high doses in animals to quickly induce physical symptoms, then equations are used based on the amount of symptoms at high levels to determine tolerance at low levels. I am not convinced of this procedure; to date I have seen little to no evidence that the equations used to make this transformation are accurate. That seems to be an assumption that is simply made to expedite testing.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

I forget what the term is, but there is evidence to suggest that very low levels of toxin exposure can actually provoke beneficial responses. I'm not talking about homeopathy; that's not true. But low level exposure to radiation, certain chemical toxins ... I forget what it's called though.

Nevermind ... Google ... hormesis.

originally posted by: AlienView
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there is still no cure for it.
...

The media and health care systems across the world love this phrase don't they? As if that's an excuse not to give people the only treatment that has actually been proven to work with great effect in the period March 9 - 20 (thus also an excuse for not having given it in the past 2 months, as if it wasn't clear enough yet), as explained by Dr. Ban in the playlist below:

Real frontline reports: Help with Corona/Covid-19 treatment: Hydroxychloroquine+Zinc(+Copper 10:1 ratio)+Azithromycin or Doxycycline+vitC+D3)

The doctor in the first video is a bit weird (has some weird videos on his channel) but he does speak much truth:

a reply to: tanstaafl

The things I outlined are outright toxic. Maybe not toxic in the sense of causing instant death, but that isn't what I meant.

Toxicity is a sliding scale, but the point I was making is that because something is toxic (harm-inducing) at one level does not indicate it is toxic at all levels. Radiation is a good example; at higher levels it is extremely toxic and can cause almost instant death. At mid levels it is still toxic and increases the likelihood of cancer and other regulatory issues in the body. At low enough levels, it is non-toxic; our bodies are able to undo any damage it causes faster than the damage is caused. We are actually bombarded by low radiation levels every day from the environment around us.

Not sure what you mean... you mean 'over-hyped'?

Over-hyped is a good word.

And by that I am not trying to minimize the importance of healthy, natural foods. I simply point out that some things have been sensationalized beyond their reality. I can think of two examples off the top of my head: one is aspartame. Aspartame is not a "good" thing... it has been shown to cause some issues at high doses. However, my wife has both diabetes and classic migraines. The diabetes prevents her from using too much processed sugar, and sucralose is one of her migraine triggers. Thus, we actually look for aspartame as a sweetener, as it is less dangerous to her than the other two common possibilities.

The other is soil fertilization. We have, as a society, tended to try and "sterilize" our surroundings. At one time, common knowledge was that planting a garden over a septic system was an easy and efficient way to maintain soil fertilization, but our move toward sterilization has led to some people actually believing this is somehow "unclean" and dangerous. In reality, all soil is made of waste material, from both plants and animals. But try and explain this to some people and they simply will not accept it.

It may not directly cause weight gain, but it certainly doesn't cause weight loss.

That would be a more accurate way to put what I meant. I was simply referring to the fact that partially hydrologized soybean oil is a polymer... essentially plastic used as a filler.

That isn't food. It is a chemically processed toxin.

In that excerpt, I did not specify any specific substance. Yes, there are some things that qualify as food, and I maintain that humans are able to process a wide variety of substances as food. Some may be easier or harder to process, but I define food as anything that can be eaten and will provide some amount of nutrition without creating serious physical issues directly.

In other words, about anything that does not come from McDonalds.

If we went back to traditional farming methods farmers wouldn't need all of the chemicals.

No, but we would need food.

Traditional farming methods, as in farming methods used before the advent of large-scale techniques, produced only a very small amount of food compared to today's methods. Compared to then, a farmer can tend many times the amount of land and still receive high yields on the land. Pesticides allow a farmer to spray a crop and move to the next field, instead of spending weeks or months on a single field trying to remove pests on a more manual basis. Herbicides allow a farmer to use methods like no-til farming, where there is no need to disturb the soil from one crop to the next; equipment can simply inject the seeds into the soil directly in one pass. Without herbicides, soil would produce a wide variety of weeds, which would then act as competition to the crops desired and reduce yields appreciably.

We no longer live in a society where a substantial number of people are willing to grow crops for a meager existence. The days of a farmer and his family hoeing field rows by hand or manually pulling weeds are gone. They won't be back unless there is a serious catastrophe. Farmers today handle absolutely massive tracts of land and produce quite a bit more per acre than their predecessors. Much of that is due to the chemicals that are used. Prudence is to examine those chemicals honestly and accurately and retain the ones that work while rejecting those which exhibit too much toxicity in the soil or the product.

Until they get cancer.

I am talking about farmers who have been using Roundup since before it was available to the general public.

I can claim that, due to the high number of cars on I-5, there will be an earthquake in Los Angeles. Eventually I will be "proven" right; there will be an earthquake in Los Angeles. It does not follow that there will be an earthquake due to the number of cars on I-5, only that there was an earthquake. And we already knew that was going to happen.

I didn't say unrestricted - did I?

It seemed to be indicated.

I doubt most people would know what they were seeing anyway. A bunch of very big tractors and massive fields. To verify the absence of chemical use would require regular, unannounced trips to the fields as well as the sheds where the equipment is kept. I have a family member who is a large farmer; his operation covers literally thousands of acres spread across the county. He's a really nice guy, but he works very hard (actually employs several people to help him) and has little time (especially this year due to the timing of the rains) to deal with people who are paranoid about chemicals he depends on. I doubt he would take kindly to people wanting to come by for a tour when he needs to be in the field working against time to make a crop.

The idea that farmers are open for visitation is simply not reality.

TheRedneck

a reply to: ketsuko

Yes, living organisms can actually benefit from exposure to toxins. I have seen several studies where infants, for example, who were raised in a "sterile" environment grew to have more serious issues, including allergies and susceptibility to sickness, than infants who were raised in more natural but also more toxic environments.

This also gets back to the original issue of the pandemic and the lack of need to cure it... it will e cured the way all diseases are: by herd immunity. The only thing we need do is care for the few who get very sick and protect those at high risk.

I don't have a link yet, but I saw on the news last night where a 103 year old woman had beaten the Kung Flu and was happily drinking a beer in her hospital bed to celebrate her recovery. Budweiser (she was drinking a Bud Light) seized on the PR opportunity, with a message to her that said "Your next one's on us."

You won't see those stories on a virus that is actually deadly like Ebola.

TheRedneck