Trump I have a chance to break the deep state”

a reply to: chr0naut

There have been just as many FISA requests under Trump as under Obama's last few years.

There have been twice the number of unmasking requests under Trump.

NYT

originally posted by: 727Sky

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: blueman12

Seriously. ZERO SUCCESS. Most Americans are not Republicans and they sure aren't Trump zealots.

Ardent Trump Supporters have to literally make ridiculous nonense like this up ... let's look at reality. The economy is in the tank, tens of thousands have died in this pandemic, the deficit has skyrocketed, unemployment is at Great Depression levels, American foreign policy is an abject failure, we have alienated our allies and coddled our enemies ... but Trump is somehow a brilliant President and this is all someone elses fault? The "Deep State"?

GMAFB. Trump makes Hoover and Carter look like Washington and Lincoln. This Adminsitration will go down in history as the most corrupt, the most incompetent, the most damaging to this country we have ever seen. IMO.

And you honestly think you or anyone else could have done a better job of defying the FBI, CIA, Russia, Russia, Muller, MSN, Schiff, Pelosi, and the myriad of other detractors who did and have done everything they could do to destroy Trump's presidency even before he took office ?

2019 had the best economy and more working people than anyone thought possible...

That isn't true.

There were many periods where the US had a better economy and fewer unemployed. Trump's 'achievements' are fairly average to poor. Not only that, Trump isn't the only one that had a hand in the economic situation. That strongly Democrat Congress are the ones who actually set budget. Trump had almost nothing to do with it.

Also, while Trump was President, there has been no time when GDP exceeded the national debt. This first happened While Obama was President, but was brought under control (briefly). It had never occurred before under any President. The economy was in the process of tanking, all it took was a perturbation and the stack of cards fell.

The blame or praise doesn't fall upon the Presidents. The majority of the blame falls upon the way the government and people have spent their money and ignored, and even tried to monetize, debt.

but hey let us forget that since the virus took over and ruined peoples lives and livelihood; it is Trump's fault not the CCP..

Yep let's put the socialist demented democrats into office this time around so everyplace can be a sanctuary state, pay more taxes, turn in your guns, and strive to be like Portland, San Fransisco, and other democratically run broke states and cities.

Maybe they should draft Governor Whitmer of Michigan to be Biden's running mate for he ain't gonna make 4 years before he forgets how to chew and swallow IMO.. She is a perfect democrat example who cares nothing about the law and her own citizens. Go for it CNN

I am surprised he has not just said, "here Pense you got it I am out of this corrupt mess that has befallen the republic."

It isn't about party affiliation at all.

a reply to: 727Sky

Reading through this thread I feel like I am listening to CNN. The anti Trump sentiment is filled of twisted narratives and outright “Fake News”.

I call out Trump when I disagree with him. You can check my post history. I was and am strongly against the lockdowns we did. I was only ok with it for a brief time to flatten the curve.

More research into my post history and you will find that I am directly opposed to the type of Capitalism that Trump is for. I am far more left leanings and much of my ideology is socialistic with limits on the free market.

But I am able to think for myself. So either some of you actually work for CNN or you have lost the ability to think for yourselves.

Shills or sheep, either way it’s fake news.

originally posted by: HalWesten

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: HalWesten

but he's not a superhero and I do not believe he thinks of himself as a god.

I didn't say he does , I said he sees himself as sent by God , as do those who support him.

And that's what I disputed, we supporters don't see him as a god or sent by God. Well, some may believe he was elected because it was God's will, I can't support or dispute that.

He definitely plays to that as pro-Trump propaganda.

In many ways, he fulfills prophecies about the "Great Beast".

The real meaning of the Biblical antiChrist is closer to pseudoChrist - Someone who pretends to be anointed.

Oops you missed that?

JFK said he would do everything in his power to stop it too.

Someone has linked the speech AM.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Isurrender73
Kennedy said their is a deep state.

He did? Where and when?

Dude is the deep state, in a desperate last attempt to try and push us in a corner and slap us into submission.

But the angle used, just stirred the pot so much, people are like "Wait a minute, doesn't matter the party, it's all a fecal show".

Because of this, you've either not seen nothing yet, or we could actually have a chance at some form of equality.
Balls in play, clock counting down...

Look at the talks here, weak arguments that really highlight the deficiencies in the 2 party system, just being one.

Fix your code requests ATS...
Double post

Why do some of you think Trump is the end game? He isnt. He is useful right now.. he is not who we need forever. He is a very useful player in initiating a resetting some of the things that need resetting and draining some things that need emptied. He is a begining and not an end or completion of a thing that needs to be done in order to have the country that our founders envisioned.

You have no idea what kind of thing would occur if things werent done in a methodical way. I mean, think about it. You also arent privy to all that is happening. Its silly to act like we are or that correct or complete information is disseminated through ANY news outlet or etc. It wont be, it will never be. Certainly not online.

originally posted by: Justoneman
Oops you missed that?

No, I know exactly which speech all of you were going to try and misrepresent.

JFK said he would do everything in his power to stop it too.

He actually went out of his way, scumbag that he was, to ask the press not to publish things.

Someone has linked the speech AM.

Yeah, I know, and it doesn't mean even remotely close to what you think it does.

Plain as day look at our economy and our pandemic response. It is literally the worst in the world. This didn't have to cause a depression and the vast majority of deaths were preventable and Trump himself could have avoided to it. Failure complete and total as plain as day. a reply to: Gothmog

originally posted by: ras321
Plain as day look at our economy and our pandemic response. It is literally the worst in the world. This didn't have to cause a depression and the vast majority of deaths were preventable and Trump himself could have avoided to it. Failure complete and total as plain as day. a reply to: Gothmog

Our failure is due to failures on several fronts. To blame it on one man is plainly idiotic. I guess maybe we should be psychic when it comes to a novel viral pandemic.. but none of us were. Our strategic supply was garbage due to the oversight of previous administrations.. dem and repub. Our reliance on AI and computers and computer modeling was our true downfall.. that and listneing to medical professionals who either did it on purpose or actually had NO way of predicting what a virus like this would do because WE HAVE NEVER DEALT WITH IT.

I can go on and on about the cascading stream of failures but it wont matter.. you can choose to blame one man and be a moron if you like. Reality is very different than that.

Then explain how basically every other developed country has been able to maintain their economies but the us hasn't. I am not saying he deserves all the blame but he and his administraion deserve almost all of it because they had all the intelligence in place and could have developed a proper response to avoid most of the death and most of the economic hit. Instead they(Trump admin) faltered, delayed and had the weakest response of any developed nation in the world. a reply to: Advantage

Trump has weathered unprecedented attacks on the POTUS by multiple ABC agencies. While many truly awful people have been exposed and have not been convicted of a crime they are out of power. Bottom line he is making progress and is a million times better person for the job than joe dementia biden.

originally posted by: ras321
Then explain how basically every other developed country has been able to maintain their economies but the us hasn't. I am not saying he deserves all the blame but he and his administraion deserve almost all of it because they had all the intelligence in place and could have developed a proper response to avoid most of the death and most of the economic hit. Instead they(Trump admin) faltered, delayed and had the weakest response of any developed nation in the world. a reply to: Advantage

I sure hope you arent a US American.. becasue you have no idea how the country works. States rights. Its like the pres is a figurehead.. and each state is its own country almost. They decide. If they screw up.. it is ultimately placed on the federal side of things.. of which the president is the face of. When a couple of links in the chain weaken... the chain is in danger of breaking.

originally posted by: gortex

The Deep State is a bogyman , every Superhero needs a bogyman to fight against and Trump being "the chosen one" is no different.

The "deep state" is a metaphor for anyone/group that can wield positional power and are not voted in, but feel their own beliefs are better for the country than those voted in to office and they have time on their hands to make it happen. We saw a touch of this with the FBI, IRS, DOJ and with areas in the State Department too. I mean using the FICA court as a political weapon is so very deep state wouldn't you say?

originally posted by: Advantage

I sure hope you arent a US American.. becasue you have no idea how the country works. States rights. Its like the pres is a figurehead.. and each state is its own country almost. They decide. If they screw up.. it is ultimately placed on the federal side of things.. of which the president is the face of. When a couple of links in the chain weaken... the chain is in danger of breaking.

What can the President do...Well he can close borders, shut down flights etc around Feb 1... oh, he can declare a national emergency, first time for all 50 states around Mar 13 to free up billions in support. Outside of that he has like zero state control, and even when he threaten to close states the states told him to pound sand.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Advantage

I sure hope you arent a US American.. becasue you have no idea how the country works. States rights. Its like the pres is a figurehead.. and each state is its own country almost. They decide. If they screw up.. it is ultimately placed on the federal side of things.. of which the president is the face of. When a couple of links in the chain weaken... the chain is in danger of breaking.

What can the President do...Well he can close borders, shut down flights etc around Feb 1... oh, he can declare a national emergency, first time for all 50 states around Mar 13 to free up billions in support. Outside of that he has like zero state control, and even when he threaten to close states the states told him to pound sand.

Exactly. But it sure doesnt prevent people.. even our own idiot citizens.. to lash out at a president that happens to be from the bad orange colored side of their paradigm. I guess we should be patient with the ignorant, but damn it gets old.

originally posted by: ras321
Plain as day look at our economy and our pandemic response. It is literally the worst in the world. This didn't have to cause a depression and the vast majority of deaths were preventable and Trump himself could have avoided to it. Failure complete and total as plain as day. a reply to: Gothmog

You ran an OP on this same thing that went 9 pages, and you didn't learn anything then?

a reply to: Advantage

I think people are programmed with Trump as a manipulation focal point. Just like with The Virus..

So, many see him as the Source. The fount from which all solutions, or problems flow.

I see him as a competing Brand to the so-called "deep state." With the latter being far more insidious and frankly, evil.

My hope is that the Brands will distract themselves for long enough for the rest of us to get our crap together. I have my own opinions about that sort of thing, but I think the important part is to actually start talking and working in that direction.. Instead of bickering over the soap opera that is modern politics.

Im not even sure we need politicians, with what modern technology enables us to accomplish.

However, it seems immensely difficult to talk about anything outside of rejecting or accepting the Narrative.

originally posted by: Serdgiam
a reply to: Advantage

I think people are programmed with Trump as a manipulation focal point. Just like with The Virus..

So, many see him as the Source. The fount from which all solutions, or problems flow.

I see him as a competing Brand to the so-called "deep state." With the latter being far more insidious and frankly, evil.

My hope is that the Brands will distract themselves for long enough for the rest of us to get our crap together. I have my own opinions about that sort of thing, but I think the important part is to actually start talking and working in that direction.. Instead of bickering over the soap opera that is modern politics.

Im not even sure we need politicians, with what modern technology enables us to accomplish.

However, it seems immensely difficult to talk about anything outside of rejecting or accepting the Narrative.

Agreed!
But even that being... to not even get how the country works and soapbox their side of it? Maddening. I mean I have no idea how aircraft stuff works.. and I dont go into those threads and spout nonsense. I read and learn at the very least before having some damning opinion. LOL!