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what do hardcore bible believers say about this???

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posted on Mar, 13 2005 @ 02:21 PM
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I agree with the people who say religion and science can go hand in hand. I also agree that the problem is extremists and that there are many extremists out there today.

I believe in evolution, yet I also believe in creation. The thing is, I don't believe the Christian version of creation because it doesn't make sense. The problem I have is that people can believe that the Supreme Being created everything, yet they only believe that the Christian god could have done this. For me, that right there shows a big weakness in their argument.

Evolution has been proven, but religion can't be proven one way or the other. Therefore, you can't say that only the Christian god could be the Creator. For all we know, the people who predated the major religions of today were right in their assumption that MULTIPLE gods created everything.

Chew on this one, Christians: the Hebrews who wrote the OT were polytheistic, and you can read the evidence for yourself in any Bible.
But of course, that's BS, I know. Even though you know that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not 3 deities, but are one and the same. Makes sense to me...




posted on Mar, 13 2005 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by truthseeka
I agree with the people who say religion and science can go hand in hand. I also agree that the problem is extremists and that there are many extremists out there today.

I believe in evolution, yet I also believe in creation. The thing is, I don't believe the Christian version of creation because it doesn't make sense. The problem I have is that people can believe that the Supreme Being created everything, yet they only believe that the Christian god could have done this. For me, that right there shows a big weakness in their argument.

Evolution has been proven, but religion can't be proven one way or the other. Therefore, you can't say that only the Christian god could be the Creator. For all we know, the people who predated the major religions of today were right in their assumption that MULTIPLE gods created everything.

Chew on this one, Christians: the Hebrews who wrote the OT were polytheistic, and you can read the evidence for yourself in any Bible.
But of course, that's BS, I know. Even though you know that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not 3 deities, but are one and the same. Makes sense to me...


You might want to read some of the gnostic writings then .. it explains most of what the church doesn't want you to know .. Apocryphon of James is a much better description then that in Genesis... it also explains a lot of other religeons.. why they believe what they do... and about reincarnation ..

It's funny apparently Jesus was alive for approx. 2 years after he died but no one hears about what that "Jesus" had to say .. it's very interesting to see how much the dead Jesus had to say relates to almost every other belief...



posted on Mar, 13 2005 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by they see ALL
"hardcore" bible believers believe that God made ALL life on earth right???

what do they have to say about the fact that there are NEW species of animals that weren't around when God "made the earth in seven days"???

some species of animals weren't around for thousands of years but only hundreds...

what do hardcore bible believers say about this???

do they admit that these NEW creatures evolved or do they still think that God made them???


The evolutionary theory is somewhat askewed right now. It is neither right, nor wrong. Evolution, I believe is a God-given law applied to nature, not man. I know I sound like I got my cake and I can eat it too, but somewhere along the line Darwin was right...and wrong at the same time.



posted on Mar, 13 2005 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by they see ALL
"hardcore" bible believers believe that God made ALL life on earth right???

what do they have to say about the fact that there are NEW species of animals that weren't around when God "made the earth in seven days"???

some species of animals weren't around for thousands of years but only hundreds...

what do hardcore bible believers say about this???

do they admit that these NEW creatures evolved or do they still think that God made them???




Dont you think, that for one second, that God made the universe, but left it to its own doing?(because if he interfered we wouldnt have free will would we. lol) So, then, he created animals etcetc, and then they evolved on thier own into different animals. Not much more to say here IMO.



posted on Mar, 13 2005 @ 05:16 PM
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posted on Mar, 13 2005 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by Seapeople

If I was warned, then so should he. End of story. Won't happen though. The anti reason bias on this website is far too strong.


God this was too funny......


How many warns have I given you Ed?

I can think of 2-3 right off the bat.



posted on Mar, 13 2005 @ 05:52 PM
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Everything you read or hear about God is nothing more than someone elses opinion. Keep that in mind and soon you will seek out the true nature of your creator, which can be found only in your own heart.

Love and light,

Wupy



posted on Mar, 13 2005 @ 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by truthseeka
Evolution has been proven, but religion can't be proven one way or the other.


Evolution has not yet been proven, hence the theory of evolution. There is supporting evidence for evolution but it has not been proven.



posted on Mar, 13 2005 @ 06:03 PM
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Whatever.

They have observed evolution in labs. Therefore, it has been proven. Of course, you will say that macroevolution has not been proven; of course not, there's no way that we as humans with limited life spans can prove macroevolution.

And, you must not know science. In science and everyday life, theory has 2 different meanings. Maybe you should look that up before you claim that it's "just a theory..."



posted on Mar, 13 2005 @ 06:04 PM
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Whoa you guys need to chill. Have a beer. I recommend a karlovacko


Anyway, it doesnt say anywhere in the bible that evolution isnt true. So whatever. Im sure God would have wanted his creations to live so whenver there was an environement change or something He gave us all the ability to adapt, evolve whatever. Besides technically theyre not new animals just evolved from the ones who lived b4 them. So theyre not exactly new anyway.



posted on Mar, 13 2005 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by sinatracementshoes

Originally posted by truthseeka
Evolution has been proven, but religion can't be proven one way or the other.


Evolution has not yet been proven, hence the theory of evolution. There is supporting evidence for evolution but it has not been proven.


Sorry, they have not found the missing link so evolution is still just a theory. (as far as mankind is concerned)

God has not appeared before the supreme court to argue for the ten commandments either so creation is also just a point of view.

As I read on this site the other day, Aliens put us on this planet to seed it or hide us from other aliens and that point of view is just as valid as the first two mentioned.

If they want to teach creationism or evolution than they should also have to teach alien planted theories as well. It's only fair.

Love and light,

Wupy



posted on Mar, 13 2005 @ 06:38 PM
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Hey fellow rationalists

Lets stop trying to push Evolution as Fact

its the best theory that's going at the moment but it's just a theory

Let's not get sucked into the arguement that it's holy writ.

Thats the difference between the creationists and the scientists: we can accept change to our theories... the creationists can't....



posted on Mar, 13 2005 @ 06:45 PM
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Silly, its called evolution.

By the way, you can beleive in God and not be a hardcore bible beleiver.



posted on Mar, 13 2005 @ 06:48 PM
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is that like believing in science but still trying to fly to the moon using your ears as wings?



posted on Mar, 13 2005 @ 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by mark ten
is that like believing in science but still trying to fly to the moon using your ears as wings?


I have big ears, don't tempt me.


Wupy



posted on Mar, 13 2005 @ 07:08 PM
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if you've evolved a humongous set of ears then don't let me stop you...

in fact tell me when launch date is and i'll tout some tickets....



posted on Mar, 13 2005 @ 07:17 PM
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I must admit I have no launch date yet, but that does not mean I hold no hope.

The human spirit is of such greatness that there is no doubt in my mind that someone, somewhere, is scarping down vitamins and drinking power drinks and flapping their ears faster and faster

Love and light,

Wupy



posted on Mar, 13 2005 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by EastCoastKidI believe in Creation. But that also entails evolution. We tend to lose sight of the fact that God's time is not our own. He and His work is not confined to our miniscule paramaters. Christians should understand that everything on this planet evolves continuously. That is not in opposition to biblical beliefs.


I can say I agree with you on this one, I say adaptation and not evolution because I know that I can breed certain traits into animals and they are not evolving because of some mother nature guru in the background dictating what I am doing, thing is the animal was already here for me to manipulate......remember the Bible says we (humans) have dominion over the animal kingdom and are to be stewards to them.....



posted on Mar, 13 2005 @ 07:21 PM
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In reference to the original posting:

First of all the term "hardcore," most commonly refers to "pornography," not religious belief. Hence the term "pushes people's buttons," when they don't even know it.

Second of all the idea that "bible believers," believe "God created all life," and also "then it was done when he rested on the seventh day," is not necessarily the whole truth. God is a daily part of our lives, someone who lives within us, he is part of our very spirit what makes us eternal souls.

Third of all the notion that life is sacred is not unique to "bible believers." There are people who are eager to recieve a genuine message about Jesus, about the essential truths.

What you are denoting is a message about rock hard fundamentalism, where the literalism of belief is a priority over everything else, even the universal brotherhood of all people, founded upon the Fatherhood of God. That message gets buried under exact demands about Noah's Ark, God creating the Earth in exactly Seven 24 hour days, and demands that if you do not accept verbatim what even naive ancient peoples took as metaphor and parable, you are "not with us." Never mind also the King's James Bible, is what is doing the literalism and absolutism. The dogma is the same kind of infallibility that protestants were trying to defend themselves during the reformation.

The defect of that hard rock viewpoint, if there is one really and ultimately when all the chips are down; when all boundaries among Christians are erased; is when people select one literal truth and ignore 100 definite statements from Jesus. In doing so, they sometimes do not realize that they are alienating Christians of sincere heart from one another, and dividing us from our central beliefs.

What you fail to see is the "red letter," Christian, who has enough wisdom to know the difference, and why to continue to "love one another."

If you care to approach these matters in a different way, it should make no difference to those who know a loving heavenly Father first. In such a view of life being sacred, new species came about as they always have, and that does not diminish their sacredness within our "dominion over them," as wise stewardship, not overbearing utilitarianism.

[edit on 13-3-2005 by SkipShipman]



posted on Mar, 13 2005 @ 07:22 PM
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god is good you must worship him now do it or he will step on you god love all his children



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