Climatologists predicted today's Australian fires with precision in 2007

Anyone else notice how the new Iranian protests aren't being reported on very much by the MSM?
Especially with them chanting that they loved Trump after his tweet in Farsi?

Some of you are claiming that the 180+ arrests have been debunked. By whom? The same type of MSM we see here in the US? And yet the one commonality in this thread, is that no one provides their source for the debunking.


The majority of Australia is either arid or desert. And we also know that among other things, drought and bushfires are a frequent natural occurrence there. We have records of these droughts coinciding with the El Niño-Southern Oscillation. If memory serves, there was even a study conducted in the mid 2000s about the desertification of Australia's interior, and suggested that settlers some 50,000 years ago could have prevented much needed rainfall in the interior with all the burning they were doing. Which yes, contributed to a direct change to the climate. Is that still happening?

And in December they had a pretty crazy storm system roll through.
www.9news.com.au...
www.9news.com.au...

New South Wales is preparing for another day of extreme fire danger with severe weather warnings in place for much of the state.

The point is, there have been a number of factors contributing to Australia's current state (severe storms producing cloud to ground lightning and arsonists to name two), but none of you seem to want to deny ignorance. Instead, you seem to wish to perpetuate the climate change doom porn.

originally posted by: visitedbythem

originally posted by: odzeandennz
This belongs in the hoax bin

Thats correct


I am very concerned about global cooling though.

Grand solar minimum is just beginning now. Things will begin to get very bad over the next 5 years. I bet they will try and put a spin on that so they can tax us on that too

I vote Global cooling is real soon to be real bad. I also believe these same people spouting the psychobabble from the liars in the media will be begging for global warming in 20 years if that minimum is the one predicted in the data. The data I refer to is the Solar Cycle Data. The deniers of the Solar Cycle appear to be legion at the moment.

originally posted by: EvilAxis
So did real climatologists conclude in 2007 that, if nothing was done, Australia would suffer major fires in 2020?

They did.
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The report concluded that unless recommended measures were taken:

So, were they honest about their recommendations? Meaning, the fires are so bad because the environmental wackos forced governments to stop engaging in the normal aboriginal practices for eco-management that would eliminate the possibility of the fires being so bad if/when the get started?

Figure in the environmental wackos running around starting the fires, organized and strategically to maximize damage and spread the firefighters too thin to be able to effectively deal with it, and this is what you get.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: EvilAxis


Scattered amongst opinion are lame and patently absurd 'arguments', like, "the sun is the only driver of climate"

who makes that claim? This is the dishonesty that makes people not buy into the obvious lies told by those with an agenda.

The OP (1point92AU) of Proof that "Man Made Climate Change" is for the weak minded sheep claimed the sun is the only driver of climate. I asked if he was serious, and he confirmed it.

originally posted by: EvilAxis

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: EvilAxis


Scattered amongst opinion are lame and patently absurd 'arguments', like, "the sun is the only driver of climate"

who makes that claim? This is the dishonesty that makes people not buy into the obvious lies told by those with an agenda.

The OP (1point92AU) of Proof that "Man Made Climate Change" is for the weak minded sheep claimed the sun is the only driver of climate. I asked if he was serious, and he confirmed it.

Yeah he is pretty much clueless and a trump fanatic He dodged thst question for a long time. Phage asked him if the sun was warming, and he just ignored it because it did not fit his beliefs.

God I hope Trump changes his mind on climate change, because the all these man made cli.ite change deniers will stop posting!:

originally posted by: continuousThunder



and yet, and yet. I've lost track of how many times i've seen proof that the arsonist narrative is a hoax - multiple times in this thread by page three - but i guess those damn hoaxes are just too tasty to refuse.

Most likely has something to do with those supplements the lemmings keep buying from alex jones.

originally posted by: projectvxn
Australia's fires are not cause by climate they're caused by demographic change.

Classic strawman argument. No climate scientists claim the fires are caused by climate. That's a deliberate misrepresentation to make way for the "aronists did it" deflection.

The cause of the bushfires, which are seasonal, is not the issue.

Human impact on climate through the unchecked burning of fossil fuels is causing higher temperatures and droughts in the forests of New South Wales (as the research predicted), resulting in the current unprecedented and catastrophic destruction of flora and fauna we now witness.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
Some of you are claiming that the 180+ arrests have been debunked.

Except it wasn't 180 plus arrests for arson, it was legal action taken against people for reckless behavior during a total fire ban.

In Australia we have days that are declared a 'total fire ban day'. You can get yourself into a lot of trouble for simply having a bbq on your own suburban property on a 'total fire ban day'.

That's what most of these highly publicized 'legal infractions' would be about. It could be as simple as someone using there chainsaw on a windy 40 degrees day, without a water source near by.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
The majority of Australia is either arid or desert. And we also know that among other things, drought and bushfires are a frequent natural occurrence there. We have records of these droughts coinciding with the El Niño-Southern Oscillation.

That's all in the report I linked to, if you care to read it.

a reply to: EvilAxis

Why are threads like this bunch of baloney not thrown into the "hoax/LOL bins"?...
Ironic how the unscientific claims made by such a deluded member proclaims "anyone whom dares disagree with the poster is a science denier, and is being paid by oil companies..."

To top it all, the op proclaims that because ARSONISTS WERE CAUGHT starting fires, it doesn't nullify the claims made by the anti-science activists now passing as scientists...

There are literally thousands upon thousands of scientists, including many climatologists, whom disagree with the claims made by this op and by the "activists" passing as scientists these days.

If consensus made people right, then all mobs that have murdered/lynched others were right all along... Which of course is BALONEY just like this thread, and the op, are...

It was over 60 degrees here today.. last January it was -20

Wtf is going on???

BTW, there was a report by Dr. Bjorn Lomborg, whom happens to be an environmentalist, published on the Global Policy journal on 09 November 2015 in which he concluded that even if all governments of the world decided to implement all "climate policies" that it wouldn't do anything to stop "climate change."

Abstract

This article investigates the temperature reduction impact of major climate policy proposals implemented by 2030, using the standard MAGICC climate model. Even optimistically assuming that promised emission cuts are maintained throughout the century, the impacts are generally small. The impact of the US Clean Power Plan (USCPP) is a reduction in temperature rise by 0.013°C by 2100. The full US promise for the COP21 climate conference in Paris, its so‐called Intended Nationally Determined Contribution (INDC) will reduce temperature rise by 0.031°C. The EU 20‐20 policy has an impact of 0.026°C, the EU INDC 0.053°C, and China INDC 0.048°C. All climate policies by the US, China, the EU and the rest of the world, implemented from the early 2000s to 2030 and sustained through the century will likely reduce global temperature rise about 0.17°C in 2100. These impact estimates are robust to different calibrations of climate sensitivity, carbon cycling and different climate scenarios. Current climate policy promises will do little to stabilize the climate and their impact will be undetectable for many decades.
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Impact of Current Climate Proposals


Impact of Current Climate Proposals

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

this guy: reports say that even if we do our utmost to curb climate change we're still going to be in for a rough time for several decades so instead let's call it a hoax and just continue doing our worst what could go wrong i am very intelligent

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
BTW, there was a report by Dr. Bjorn Lomborg, whom happens to be an environmentalist, published on the Global Policy journal on 09 November 2015 in which he concluded that even if all governments of the world decided to implement all "climate policies" that it wouldn't do anything to stop "climate change."

Abstract

This article investigates the temperature reduction impact of major climate policy proposals implemented by 2030, using the standard MAGICC climate model. Even optimistically assuming that promised emission cuts are maintained throughout the century, the impacts are generally small. The impact of the US Clean Power Plan (USCPP) is a reduction in temperature rise by 0.013°C by 2100. The full US promise for the COP21 climate conference in Paris, its so‐called Intended Nationally Determined Contribution (INDC) will reduce temperature rise by 0.031°C. The EU 20‐20 policy has an impact of 0.026°C, the EU INDC 0.053°C, and China INDC 0.048°C. All climate policies by the US, China, the EU and the rest of the world, implemented from the early 2000s to 2030 and sustained through the century will likely reduce global temperature rise about 0.17°C in 2100. These impact estimates are robust to different calibrations of climate sensitivity, carbon cycling and different climate scenarios. Current climate policy promises will do little to stabilize the climate and their impact will be undetectable for many decades.
...

Impact of Current Climate Proposals


Impact of Current Climate Proposals

Lomberg has no qualifications as a climatologist or really any science subject at all.

He also doesn't disagree with the reality of climate change.

Man made climate change is for low IQ individuals

When we have bush fires in parts of the world that don’t get them every year on this scale

We can panic

originally posted by: SimpleIdea
I think there are so many divisions on the issue because it is so complex. I would say it's too complex to fully comprehend. I think more and more it looks as if there is evidence that man is a catalyst for climate change. How much is up for debate. Again there are so many factors involved and they are always changing so much, I don't think there is a human or group of humans smart enough to figure it out with exactitude.

People taking hard-line stances either for or against are probably doing it out of emotion or biased information. I really think if you took a 50,000 ft look down on the situation it's too difficult to figure out.

I do remember a Bible prophecy in Revelation though. And this was written 2,000 years ago now. It said that when the time comes for God's judgement and the end of wickedness mankind would be ruining the earth. And I believe that part of prophecy no one can deny.

Because of big business that runs as almost its own kind of entity, fueled by greedy and lawless people, the earth's climate is in a state of ruin:

"But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time came for the dead to be judged and to reward your slaves the prophets and the holy ones and those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.”-Revelation 11:18.

The earth was not being ruined when that prophecy was written. So obviously whatever damage is being done was already foretold, and obviously is repairable. And it won't be allowed to go beyond the limits that have been set on it.

I also believe that the earth is far more resilient than many people realize. That left to its own design the earth is designed in a way that it will fix itself. There is an intricate web of interdependency on earth, that even goes far beyond the earth, starting with the sun, far too complex for us to see everything involved. Even down to the tiniest microscopic bacteria.

Yes. Best reply!
I made a post about this - climate change denial. It is just so complex with so much to do that people can not even comprehend. So instead they deny, or become defensive or angry, or simply ignore it. In the Earth will be fine, humans not so much. It is certainly creeping up on us.

originally posted by: toysforadults
It was over 60 degrees here today.. last January it was -20

Wtf is going on???

Exactly.
Again, I was attempting to discuss this in another post. I specifically stated that I have no proof of anything but that I know what I see and what I feel. It feels wrong.

My heart aches for all of the wildlife

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: EvilAxis
There are literally thousands upon thousands of scientists, including many climatologists, whom disagree with the claims made by this op and by the "activists" passing as scientists these days.

The subjective pronoun you wanted is 'who', not 'whom'. Your claim is totally false anyway.

The 'climatologist' you mentioned, as ScepticScot said, doesn't have any qualifications in climate science, nor does he dispute the science.

If there were real climatologists who don't believe greenhouse gas emissions are causing climate change, surely somebody here could cite at least one?

Instead we get the usual ghastly parade of Christian fundamentalists, unqualified ideologues and paid shills. And yes, they are paid, both directly and indirectly by industry and billionaire foundations set up specifically to protect fossil fuel interests. They influence education, media and government, and distort public perception of climate science. Judging by what we see on ATS, it's money well spent.

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
Man made climate change is for low IQ individuals

Man made climate change denial is for low IQ individuals.

And low IQ banter like this is for the playground, not ATS.