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Climatologists predicted today's Australian fires with precision in 2007

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posted on Jan, 11 2020 @ 09:20 PM
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ATS is continuously Spammed with anti-science disinformation claiming that human-induced emissions of greenhouse gases are not forcing global climate change.

Ninety percent of this is opinion, as if it's sensible to dismiss the consensus of every scientific body of national or international standing for an opinion that they are all willfully colluding in a giant confidence trick.

Scattered amongst opinion are lame and patently absurd 'arguments', like, "the sun is the only driver of climate" or, "the fires were started by arsonists" (as if that nullifies the matter). This nonsense will be ignored by anyone with a remotely scientific background.

More pernicious is the psuedo-science stuff, put out invariably by non-climatologists, often clandestinely funded by the oil industry. Lumps of this noxious disinfo are (often unwittingly, no doubt) dumped into the mix. A typical example in the currently trending Climate alarmists with more egg on their faces is a graph purporting to show global temperatures from 2500 BC - 2040 AD from Harris-Mann Climatologists.

At first sight it could be mistaken for something scientific, at least by the unscientific. It is designed to be. How many are going to investigate the authors' lack of credentials? Or that they also wrote a book with topics like:


- How God is using the weather to get our attention.
- What are the futures prophecies based on the Bible?
- How the weather could play a role in the "End Times."


So did real climatologists conclude in 2007 that, if nothing was done, Australia would suffer major fires in 2020?

They did.

Commissioned by the Labor government of Kevin Rudd, The Garnaut Climate Change Review (large pdf) published in 2008 drew data from a Consultancy Report prepared for The Climate Institute of Australia, 2007. (pdf)

The report concluded that unless recommended measures were taken:


Bushfires
Recent projections of fire weather (Lucas et al. 2007) suggests that fire seasons will start earlier, end slightly later and generally be more intense. This effect increases over time, but should be directly observable by 2020.


They were also precise about the location. On page 48, Concluding Remarks, it predicts:


The largest changes are expected in northern New South Wales.


It was ignored by the Coalition governments of Abbott, Turnbull, and Morrison, continuing the obstructionism of the Howard years. Funding of firefighters was reduced.
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posted on Jan, 11 2020 @ 09:25 PM
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a reply to: EvilAxis

Next year, Northern California is going to have catastrophic wild fires.

*boom*

Bitches, see who's a mind reading fortune teller now!

*smug*



posted on Jan, 11 2020 @ 09:26 PM
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a reply to: EvilAxis

Well there you go, even with the warnings nothing was done, goverment working like a well oiled machine once again.


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posted on Jan, 11 2020 @ 09:29 PM
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Ok expert, riddle me this....if it’s real and all the doom and gloom, why tax it?? Why doesn’t the citizens of the earth save the planet?? Tax tax tax....



posted on Jan, 11 2020 @ 09:31 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
...goverment working like a well oiled machine once again.


Australia's government is more coal-fired.



posted on Jan, 11 2020 @ 09:31 PM
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the usual suspects will be along shortly to give us their usual non-sequiturs about jihadi arsonists attempting to obscure nibiru or boring waffle about taxes that shows they weren't paying attention to start with, but this is the REAL STUFF and i wanted to get in early to say how glad i am that there still are rational people on this site, it makes the whole thing much less of a chore. thankyou.



posted on Jan, 11 2020 @ 09:37 PM
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a reply to: WUNK22
The government's urge to tax is irrelevant to climate science unless you buy into the absurd idea that all climate researchers in all nations are part of a global conspiracy to produce fake data in order to... Sorry, I lost the thread of that conspiracy.

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posted on Jan, 11 2020 @ 09:39 PM
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This belongs in the hoax bin



posted on Jan, 11 2020 @ 09:40 PM
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a reply to: EvilAxis

Thank you for doing the real research. No one looks into posted sources anymore.



posted on Jan, 11 2020 @ 09:40 PM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz
This belongs in the hoax bin

So do you if that's the best you have to offer.

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posted on Jan, 11 2020 @ 09:47 PM
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Maybe if people would stop trying to live in places that have always been a tinderbox for fires would have an impact? I take that back because it's fact many have been arrested for arson in CA and Australia for said fires.

I would even take it a step further and say people like Bernie who own three houses is absolutely having an impact on climate change. He is trying to fix a problem he can't even solve on his own personal level of having a fat ass carbon footprint.



posted on Jan, 11 2020 @ 09:49 PM
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Where they some of the around 200 people who got arrested for arson and arson related crimes?

If around 200 people Got caught, how many people haven’t?


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posted on Jan, 11 2020 @ 09:51 PM
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a reply to: EvilAxis

Those so-called predictions are exactly why there are a bunch of climate change lunatics running around starting these fires - to prove the predictions were right. That is some great science there...Olympic even...



posted on Jan, 11 2020 @ 09:52 PM
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a reply to: WUNK22

Is taxing the only solution being offered?



posted on Jan, 11 2020 @ 09:55 PM
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a reply to: WUNK22
Plenty of people who believe there is a problem, and it is partially man made..do not believe a carbon tax fixes anything.



posted on Jan, 11 2020 @ 09:57 PM
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a reply to: EvilAxis
For a minute there i thought you meant he predicted the name of the clowns that set the fires which of course has nothing to do with global warming,




posted on Jan, 11 2020 @ 10:02 PM
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"the fires were started by arsonists" (as if that nullifies the matter). This nonsense will be ignored by anyone with a remotely scientific background.


here's a scientific fact. if someone doesn't pour gas on a bunch of dried up brush and throw a match to it it won't burn.
so yeah it does nullify the matter. i'll have to see what the flash point and fire point is of dry brush, but is not like it's just gonna burst into to flames. i know it's kinda low but no where what a flammable liquid is.
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posted on Jan, 11 2020 @ 10:13 PM
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originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
Maybe if people would stop trying to live in places that have always been a tinderbox for fires would have an impact?


That isn't a sentence. Are you expressing an opinion that the recent drought conditions and bushfires are normal for Australia? That's incorrect. Are you saying people shouldn't live there? I take it you're not Australian.

What does Bernie's carbon footprint have to do with it?



posted on Jan, 11 2020 @ 10:33 PM
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a reply to: EvilAxis

lol, its amazing to see disinformation agents on our beloved website.



posted on Jan, 11 2020 @ 10:41 PM
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and here is some more food for thought, and facts about the arsonist in the land down under.
they have a bunch of fire bug kids, that have set multiple fires. but as like most if the facts don't fit lie about them and make comments that are just BS.




A 2015 satellite analysis of 113,000 fires from 1997-2009 confirmed what we had known for some time – 40 per cent of fires are deliberately lit, another 47 per cent accidental. This generally matches previous data published a decade earlier that about half of all fires were suspected or deliberate arson, and 37 per cent accidental. Combined, they reach the same conclusion: 87 per cent are man-made…





Almost 100 firebugs have deliberately started blazes across Queensland that have destroyed homes and consumed thousands of hectares of bushland. Some 65 fires continue to burn across the state on Friday, jumping from 55 reported on Thursday, as the fire threat deepens heading into the weekend. As firefighters remain on high alert, police revealed 103 of the destructive fires that have lashed Queensland since September were deliberately lit. Figures obtained by AAP reveal 98 people – 31 adults and 67 juveniles – have been dealt with by Queensland police for deliberately setting fires.


We don’t just have a bushfire crisis. We have an arson crisis, too




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