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posted on Nov, 22 2019 @ 12:32 PM
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a reply to: tetra50

Most of your post has very little, if any bearing on Ukraine and impeachment of Trump. Looks like you’ve bought into all these testimonials about the welfare of Ukraine hook line and sinker. As I posted, Dr Hill is an operative of Sorus’ OSI, member of the CFR, and involved with Brookings. Not to mention her own handwriting says she is British Nationality, and she worked for years with the British spy Christopher Steele, so do you think I trust her over our POTUS ? Not a freakin chance. If I were you I’d get a better understanding of the real intent of these players. After all this IS a conspiracy site.




posted on Nov, 22 2019 @ 12:38 PM
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originally posted by: incoserv
a reply to: richapau
More droning noise. Where's all this meaningless racket coming from¿

Its the noise NPC's make when their programming is challenged.



posted on Nov, 22 2019 @ 01:03 PM
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I heard someone sum things up good this morning.

There have been advisors and officials that have been part of foreign and domestic governmental outlets that have been there for 10 years plus.

They have been there so long that they belive they are in control.

That is the deep state

And here comes trump with new ideas and new policy and it's not liked by the old school.

So they resist and try and run the country the way they see fit.

This radical group of Democrats have been undermining the president since day 1 and it's a whole new low .


And here is the other aspect....want to start a thread on it...
Supposedly if Clinton won , Russia would have been involved as well.

Russia would quietly put out that Clinton won through Russian interference trying to get trump supporters to go after the legitimacy of Clinton.

So Russia had a plan if either trump or Clinton won and it was similar tactics.

Get the nation who is about 50 50 split to argue over the legitimacy of the president.

This arguing would keep u.s. busy while Russia has bigger plans.

So the entire thing is to make the u.s. argue among themselves and everyone fell.hook line and sinker



posted on Nov, 22 2019 @ 01:30 PM
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originally posted by: Helious
a reply to: tetra50

Hey, I hear your concerns! You can look back to my posts to voice those same concerns and even now i am left draw dropped at some of the things he says and or tweets.

I get it, trust me I do but internationally, America has NEVER been stronger. Outside of that, you would have to be the worst kind of person to not find a job right now, people are hiring anyone that is a warm body.

Trump says the things he does most times because he doesn't understand all the BS that comes in between a problem and solution. He sees a problem and he fixes it. He doesn't care about your personal feelings, he is trying to run a profitable nation that benefits all of us.



Well, for a guy trying to run a profitable nation, we are losing more money than under any other President in history.



posted on Nov, 22 2019 @ 02:44 PM
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I've been looking at this site for 20 or so years, along with other conspiracy sites and I have seen the change since trump became president as This site used to be about exposing the government for everything, military, cia, fbi, dems and republicans. Getting to the real truth.

but since Trump has come in it's been trump good everyone else bad. Even if that means turning a blind eye to anything trump does wrong. I remember the biggest question used to be who really killed JFK and now it's I don't care if Trump shoots someone on 5th ave, what did the other person do to get shot. It's literal insanity

I will say that I am Australian, so it's easy for me to be more objective as in not being in the belly of the beast every day. I will also say that I would be a dem support if I was American, not saying I would be a blind support as in Australia have voted both sides. if the parties policies support me and what I value I will support that party.

so having said that, I find the blind delusion from both sides as simply mind blowing. But I also see a lot more cognitive thinkers from the Dem side than Republican.

So lets look at the facts which I think even in the enquiry have gotten a little lost and I understand why the dems are doing it the way they are because if you just point out the facts without causation, people won't take an interest.

Trumps use of Giuliani is a clear violation of the logan act ans it still blows my mind that this isn't being used. There doesn't need to be a quid pro quo. You can't use an unauthorised person to deal in foreign affairs. it's just that simple. regardless of what he is doing.

witness tampering, stone just got found guilty of this. You can NOT do what trump is doing and the crazy thing is he did it, in real time.

Obstruction of justice, not adhering to congressional subpoenas is a clear obstruction. the dems just don't have the balls to enforce them. it's pretty sad really

I know I am sure there are going to be a lot of attacks on me for this especially being Australian but I have pretty good knowledge of modern American politics and believe it or not American politics has an influence on Australia.

as for the Bidens, if they did something wrong then they need to be held accountable, and I think a lot of dems think this way, they don't care if they get into trouble. but trump supports just keep turning that blind eye like, everything is going well in America so why do we care if he does something wrong. well your country is in the most debt it has EVER been in, the bubble is going to burst. yet I am sure you will blame someone else for that too



posted on Nov, 22 2019 @ 04:04 PM
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originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
How does ATS still call itself a conspiracy site?

The Trump presidency is a literal goldmine of corruption and deception. It is 1984 being played out right in front of you naked shaking its tail feathers.


So if the Trump presidency is 1984, what does that make the Obama admin, what with the 8 whistle blowers he had imprisoned for "spying", or the the guy he had imprisoned (remember the 1st amendment?) for making a Youtube video because it "might" have instigated the Benghazi attack?



posted on Nov, 22 2019 @ 04:11 PM
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a reply to: OzBoomer77

If you were coming to this site for 20 years, then you'd remember the overwhelming majority of "Bush Bad", "Obama Good" threads, easily.

The change people seem to be upset about, is that this isn't a Progressive echo chamber anymore. And no, its not a right wing echo chamber. Otherwise, some people wouldn't get the amount of stars they do.
edit on 22-11-2019 by Wardaddy454 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 22 2019 @ 04:38 PM
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a reply to: OzBoomer77

That’s all just your opinion. Funny how you think all Trump supporters are delusional but you support the far left Democrats.
As for ATS, there seem to be more Conservative folks speaking out against socialism so if you don’t like it, TOUGH!!!!
As for the Logan Act... Wikipedia states it is a US law which “criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized persons with foreign government”
Last I checked, POTUS is authorized to negotiate with foreign powers and well within his right as CIC and Executive Branch.
Thanks and I suggest you stick with Aussie politics
By the way, if you’re going to discuss the Logan Act you should be taking about the leftists like John Kerry and Nancy Pelosi as they have meeting with foreign powers behind Trumps back. You should really know what it is you’re talking about. Here you go... I know who and what you side with therealside.com...
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posted on Nov, 22 2019 @ 05:21 PM
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The "impeach now" crowd are missing one very important point. This whole thing started on false information bought and paid for by the democrats for one purpose and one purpose only - to usurp a US Presidency. Anything that was discovered during this improperly founded investigation will be moot. Its like finding evidence of a crime in someones house without having a proper search warrant. It doesn't matter what you find - you cant use it in court as evidence. Its true, congress is not a court and has its own rules to follow, but so does the Presidency. At some point the Constitutional requirement for proof and the legality of search and seizure will come into play.

This last three years, the millions of dollars wasted, the inactivity of an entire congress, is nothing more than congressional swatting of the POTUS and an attack on the one hundred million plus deplorables who elected him.

If George Washington were alive today he would bitch slap every one of us.



posted on Nov, 22 2019 @ 05:47 PM
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originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
How does ATS still call itself a conspiracy site?

The Trump presidency is a literal goldmine of corruption and deception. It is 1984 being played out right in front of you naked shaking its tail feathers.





Says proven Democrat liars and Liberal Media ONLY. CNN trained you to believe that and you're a sucker.



posted on Nov, 22 2019 @ 06:25 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: tetra50

Most of your post has very little, if any bearing on Ukraine and impeachment of Trump. Looks like you’ve bought into all these testimonials about the welfare of Ukraine hook line and sinker. As I posted, Dr Hill is an operative of Sorus’ OSI, member of the CFR, and involved with Brookings. Not to mention her own handwriting says she is British Nationality, and she worked for years with the British spy Christopher Steele, so do you think I trust her over our POTUS ? Not a freakin chance. If I were you I’d get a better understanding of the real intent of these players. After all this IS a conspiracy site.


Supporting the current president no matter how unfit he has proved himself to be is definitely no representation to "conspiracy." And, oh yeah, I made way more than one post, and they were really all about conspiracy, so that right there, I can't pay much attention to the rest of what you've pointed out, as that is so off the mark.
LOL

edit on 22-11-2019 by tetra50 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 22 2019 @ 07:44 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

no you are wrong. Rudy Giuliani is an unauthorised person, it doesn't matter that the president asked him to do it, CONGRESS has to approve it just like all of trumps people they have to be approved first. pretty sure Kerry and Pelosi are authorised lol sorry that an aussie read the law better than you did.

As for your socialism bad bull#, most of the western world runs socialistic systems, doesn't mean they are a socialistic society, but things single pay health care is a socialistic system. unionised work forces these are good things, you can still have capitalism and socialism working together.

but I do like how you just stopped at logan act lol just keep turning the blind eye to the witness tampering and obstruction lol



posted on Nov, 22 2019 @ 07:52 PM
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a reply to: Wardaddy454

look I have to say I had not looked on here for a while up until recently where I thought there would be some sanity, boy was I wrong. but I def remember the bush conspiracy stuff and rightly so. I mean how much of it was true. 9/11 stuff still is yet to be answered, but wmd's, the abuse of power. I didn't see the Obama good stuff. personally I think Obama did an average job. he did some wrong things and he did some good things. the American economy is in the place it is now because of the steps that Obama took. now I am not saying that Trump hasn't done some things that have helped because he probably has. but we all know it's not the best economy ever, that's just fact. America is in more debt than it ever has been.

I do have to say I see a lot more Trump can do no wrong than lets look at it logically.



posted on Nov, 23 2019 @ 12:48 AM
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a reply to: OzBoomer77

Not everyone buys the socialist bull?&@&. Sorry not then again not sorry. Just because you accept it and the totalitarian nanny state with it doesn’t make it right or good. I’m really sick of hearing leftists proclaim how wonderful it is. Just remember socialism only works till you run out of other people’s money, but even before them it really doesn’t work. Not only that but socialism destroys individual initiative and liberty. Why would you want that ?



posted on Nov, 23 2019 @ 12:52 AM
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a reply to: OzBoomer77

Not everyone buys the socialist bull?&@&. Sorry not then again not sorry. Just because you accept it and the totalitarian nanny state with it doesn’t make it right or good. I’m really sick of hearing leftists proclaim how wonderful it is. Just remember socialism only works till you run out of other people’s money, but even before them it really doesn’t work. Not only that but socialism destroys individual initiative and liberty. Why would you want that ? You also state that America is more in debt than ever before and you are correct, but it’s the fault of a spendthrift Congress and greedy bankers with socialist programs and the welfare state, Big Government and here you are supporting that and supporting a bunch of radical leftists who want to spend trillions more every year on their idiotic and unsustainable agendas. You are the one who needs to get informed.



posted on Nov, 23 2019 @ 12:58 AM
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originally posted by: Vroomfondel
The "impeach now" crowd are missing one very important point. This whole thing started on false information bought and paid for by the democrats for one purpose and one purpose only - to usurp a US Presidency. Anything that was discovered during this improperly founded investigation will be moot. Its like finding evidence of a crime in someones house without having a proper search warrant. It doesn't matter what you find - you cant use it in court as evidence. Its true, congress is not a court and has its own rules to follow, but so does the Presidency. At some point the Constitutional requirement for proof and the legality of search and seizure will come into play.

This last three years, the millions of dollars wasted, the inactivity of an entire congress, is nothing more than congressional swatting of the POTUS and an attack on the one hundred million plus deplorables who elected him.

If George Washington were alive today he would bitch slap every one of us.


DING DING....... We have a winner folks!

You sir are absolutely correct. This narrative was contrived, orchestrated and concocted from the very start. After taking back the house in mid term elections their has been a non stop campaign to neutralize Trump because the left knew without question they had no way to beat him in the coming election.

Lets all be honest for a minute, this effort is completely partisan. This isn't impeachment, it's a coup and it's a coup they only chose to broadcast national to weigh public support to know if they could go ahead with phase 2.

Didn't work.......... Economy is the best it has EVER been for all demographics............ Our foreign policy is not only reigned in but when you look at the deals being done now, you actually feel like America is a Superpower country. American industry and small business is at an all time high and Trump just continues in the face of all this nonsense to do exactly what he said he would do, make America great again.

A lot of people, just cant handle that and it's sad.
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posted on Nov, 23 2019 @ 01:00 AM
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originally posted by: tetra50

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: tetra50

Most of your post has very little, if any bearing on Ukraine and impeachment of Trump. Looks like you’ve bought into all these testimonials about the welfare of Ukraine hook line and sinker. As I posted, Dr Hill is an operative of Sorus’ OSI, member of the CFR, and involved with Brookings. Not to mention her own handwriting says she is British Nationality, and she worked for years with the British spy Christopher Steele, so do you think I trust her over our POTUS ? Not a freakin chance. If I were you I’d get a better understanding of the real intent of these players. After all this IS a conspiracy site.


Supporting the current president no matter how unfit he has proved himself to be is definitely no representation to "conspiracy." And, oh yeah, I made way more than one post, and they were really all about conspiracy, so that right there, I can't pay much attention to the rest of what you've pointed out, as that is so off the mark.
LOL
your reply is unintelligent. Try again. What does “representation to conspiracy” mean? How can someone be a “representation to conspiracy?” This is a conspiracy website and this particular conspiracy theory relates to the operations of the Deep State and Shadow Government, both of which Trump is the hated outsider. I hope you will
Begin to figure that out, but it looks like you want your totalitarian slave owners. Thanks and have a good day/night/whatever time of day it is there.



posted on Nov, 23 2019 @ 01:02 AM
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originally posted by: sligtlyskeptical

originally posted by: Helious
a reply to: tetra50

Hey, I hear your concerns! You can look back to my posts to voice those same concerns and even now i am left draw dropped at some of the things he says and or tweets.

I get it, trust me I do but internationally, America has NEVER been stronger. Outside of that, you would have to be the worst kind of person to not find a job right now, people are hiring anyone that is a warm body.

Trump says the things he does most times because he doesn't understand all the BS that comes in between a problem and solution. He sees a problem and he fixes it. He doesn't care about your personal feelings, he is trying to run a profitable nation that benefits all of us.



Well, for a guy trying to run a profitable nation, we are losing more money than under any other President in history.


Ok, I'll bite. The DOW and NASDAQ are the highest they have ever been in American history and unemployment in all demographics is the lowest it has ever been so I will politely pass the ball back to you to provide any proof to your claim.

I'll be waiting very patiently since I know that should be a very easy task!



posted on Nov, 23 2019 @ 01:02 AM
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n. Lets all be honest for a minute, this effort is completely partisan. This isn't impeachment, it's a coup and it's a coup they only chose to broadcast national to weigh public support to know if they could go ahead with phase 2.
I totally agree. Thanks for your analysis.



posted on Nov, 23 2019 @ 01:15 AM
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wow did you take the delusional pills today.

single payer health care. no one else pays for it, you pay for it, the government runs it. you also have the option of getting private, yes I know Bernies health care plan doesn't do that but I also don't fully agree with his plan either. It's actually cheaper and better to have single payer health care but you are too blinded to even look up how it works in other countries. you just think that socialistic societies are the soviet union under stalin

America is in debt because the congress is not spending enough?? and because of the banks and welfare??? have you been watching alex jones??

www.washingtonpost.com...



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