Trump calls for 'war'

originally posted by: LSU2018
did you stay at home while you did it and not leave until you were sober enough?

Assuming you are asking me if I always stayed home while using drugs... of course not, and that is totally and completely irrelevant.

Do people drive while intoxicated from drinking alcohol?

And do you trust other people to be the same?

I value the animating contest of freedom far more than the horrible cost of the never-ending drug war we've endured these last 50 years.

You do understand and realize that the vast majority of the erosions of Constitutional protections - specifically the virtually total loss of the Castle doctrine and almost total loss of our 4th amendment protections - is due to the drug war, right? A war that can never, ever be won.

Trust has nothing to do with it.

We have rehab facilities. I'm talking about facilities specifically designated for those who want to go get high/stoned/soup sandwich level... After their high wears off, they can leave. Put some tvs and games in every room to occupy them until they're satisfied.

I know, and I think such a suggestion is:

1. totally disingenuous unless you include the act of drinking alcohol - any alcohol - in such a plan, and

2. bizarrely ludicrous on its face, even if you do include drinking alcohol in said plan.

a reply to: shooterbrody
Legalization would be ok if it were the pot I smoked in the early 70s. The product today makes the old seem like field hemp. I have not touched the stuff since 1982.

I have a patient smoking the stuff 24/7. He does not work. He went to jail for assault. He flipped out. There is evidence overuse can lead to psychosis in some people.

a reply to: Ansuzrune
legalization seems to be working for the states which have such

some people have nut alergys ......are we banning peanuts and almonds? cashews? brazil nuts?

remove the black market
you remove some of the crime

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Bloodworth

Isn't that the mission?

However, Border Patrol seizure figures demonstrate that marijuana flows have fallen continuously since 2014, when states began to legalize marijuana. After decades of no progress in reducing marijuana smuggling, the average Border Patrol agent between ports of entry confiscated 78 percent less marijuana in fiscal year (FY) 2018 than in FY 2013.

CATO

Time- US legalization has hit cartels.

So it's serving it's purpose.

Question, how are cartels getting heroin from Afghanistan?

Tired of hearing the u.s. has porous borders because they enjoy drugs?

They are flowing over the border for a 100 other reasons

originally posted by: Ansuzrune
a reply to: shooterbrody
Legalization would be ok if it were the pot I smoked in the early 70s. The product today makes the old seem like field hemp. I have not touched the stuff since 1982.

I have a patient smoking the stuff 24/7. He does not work. He went to jail for assault. He flipped out. There is evidence overuse can lead to psychosis in some people.

Your patient has mental health issues to begin with. Are you saying it's strictly because of the weed?

I could agree that too much of anything is going to have some form of negative effect, or consequence.

Legalize drugs or make flying cars?

Choose only one because you cannot have both.

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
Legalize drugs or make flying cars?

Choose only one because you cannot have both.

Legalize drugs so you think you're in a flying car.

Check and mate. Had my cake and ate it too.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
Legalize drugs or make flying cars?

Choose only one because you cannot have both.

Legalize drugs so you think you're in a flying car.

Check and mate. Had my cake and ate it too.

Cake too!! sign me up!

a reply to: KnoxMSP

I work in an area that places me up close and personal with substance abusers from every walk of life, young and old.

It never ceases to amaze me how someone that has never been in an area before, can find a place to buy drugs and a place to hang, until the money runs out, in less than ten minutes on arrival.

They can, and will find their drugs. I have had patients that were hospitalized for detox, and in rehab centers, that are supposed to be secure, still manage to get their hands on drugs.

A war on anything is a never ending saga. As soon as you wipe out one source another will pop up sooner, and will likely double. It is like trying to cut the snakes from Medusa's head.

We know that the war on drugs is an abysmal failure, for the addict. There is only one way to stop the sale of drugs, and that is for people to stop buying them. If risk of death, living in your own filth and the filth of strangers, if sleeping on the ground and allowing your body to be used at will, by anyone that comes along with a hit, is not enough to stop them from using, it is going to be near impossible for anyone that thinks they have a humane answer to this problem, to find anything to successfully work, as long as the person is still drug seeking.

I don't know what the answer is, but I know that any war on drugs does nothing for the substance abuser. Now as far as the government and big corporations, well.... It looks like business is booming.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: KnoxMSP

I work in an area that places me up close and personal with substance abusers from every walk of life, young and old.

It never ceases to amaze me how someone that has never been in an area before, can find a place to buy drugs and a place to hang, until the money runs out, in less than ten minutes on arrival.

They can, and will find their drugs. I have had patients that were hospitalized for detox, and in rehab centers, that are supposed to be secure, still manage to get their hands on drugs.

A war on anything is a never ending saga. As soon as you wipe out one source another will pop up sooner, and will likely double. It is like trying to cut the snakes from Medusa's head.

We know that the war on drugs is an abysmal failure, for the addict. There is only one way to stop the sale of drugs, and that is for people to stop buying them. If risk of death, living in your own filth and the filth of strangers, if sleeping on the ground and allowing your body to be used at will, by anyone that comes along with a hit, is not enough to stop them from using, it is going to be near impossible for anyone that thinks they have a humane answer to this problem, to find anything to successfully work, as long as the person is still drug seeking.

I don't know what the answer is, but I know that any war on drugs does nothing for the substance abuser. Now as far as the government and big corporations, well.... It looks like business is booming.

Spot on!

originally posted by: RalagaNarHallas
a reply to: CriticalStinker

eh the only deaths from pot are the people with the blackmarket "vape pen" set ups that are getting popcorn lung or what ever its called

Not true.

If you have a heart defect, pot probably isn't right for you. Pot does more than 'relax' you. It actually raises your blood pressure and your heart rate. If you have heart disease then you might die while using it. It's happened. It has other bad effects as well. It's not a symptom free drug that a lot of people think and are being told, quite like you're doing. It CAN have consequences.

originally posted by: roadgravel
When this war gets going, people will get to see real terrorism.

Wives and children of the authorities involved butchered. Lots of those authorities killed.

But it will take some losses to win so people will be OK with it. Right?

So we should just leave them alone? All of the deaths that are attributed from the years more of this activity - drugs - gangs - assassinations.. none of those deaths will count or matter, right?

What do you suggest?

a reply to: 35Foxtrot

Oh man... Did I strike a nerve?

It's ok tough guy. You're right... My years spent in Desert Storm has nothing on experience and my "5 shells". I'm not as smart as a 10 year old. You got me. You don't have to show your work because you have the right answer so there is no point. You just keep on using your training wheels to drive wherever you want and I'll just let you alone to your opinions.

But hey... Everyone has a right to their opinions. Ya don't need to back it up with anything. It's cool. Joining the military for school and such is just as honorable. We don't need it anyways. We may as well just disband it so your children remain safe and out of other countries. When the time comes that we're facing the world, or cartels more so than now, I'll just pat you on the back and give you a thumbs up and say "Good Job". Because, you know... Other people's lives don't matter as long as it's not your sons who signed up for that special college education by way of the military.

It's not my place to be upset because people are using our tax dollars for a free education by signing up, yet when war comes, you guys are all against it. I don't have a dog in that fight.

But hey.... Good Job!

originally posted by: KnoxMSP

originally posted by: JoeGee

You have this idea in your head that we legalize weed and our problems go away.

Are you aware that since we've been becoming more leanant with marijuana, drug cartels have been expanding more into the heroin business?

Are you saying we should legalize heroin?

Yes. People will find it if they want it anyways. At least legal there is no shady fentanly laced stuff,or shady dealers, and we can provide programs for rehab instead of jail for possession charges with the tax revenue from it.

How do people not understand that people WILL get their drugs, no matter what? Doesn't matter the legality of it.

NO ... They wont! If you get rid of the supply, the demand is pointless because there wont be one. Again... it's not a one step process. More needs to go into this.

a reply to: StallionDuck

I think the point others have been trying to make is that those deaths are going to happen anyway.

So, yeah, none of those deaths really count or matter if someone steps in and keeps the drugs flowing.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
Legalize drugs or make flying cars?

Choose only one because you cannot have both.

Legalize drugs so you think you're in a flying car.

Check and mate. Had my cake and ate it too.

well done

a reply to: StallionDuck

I was born with a heart issue that required open heart surgery when I was seven days old. I had a follow up procedure on my 22nd birthday.

Alcohol and coke has a greater effect on blood pressure and heart rate than weed. Hell caffeine has a greater effect.

If that's you're argument you're either going to have to support banning a ton of stuff or admit it's a weak argument.

a reply to: StallionDuck

If you have a heart defect, pot probably isn't right for you.

neither is viagra but that is "different"
lol
weed is no worse than alcohol
less toxic actually

like all things when taken in moderation the effects are negligable

but
go ahead and go all "reefer madness", it betrays your intentions

a reply to: StallionDuck

NO ... They wont! If you get rid of the supply, the demand is pointless because there wont be one. Again... it's not a one step process. More needs to go into this.

I humbly submit the great state of colorado.......

or if you like massachusetts.....

is the demand in those places "pointless"?

a reply to: shooterbrody

neither is viagra but that is "different"

Viagra was actually designed as a high blood pressure drug. When I worked in pharmacy I had a woman come in with a Viagra script because it was the best drug for her condition.

I ended up spending a few hours on the phone with her insurance company trying to get her insurance company to pay for it.