Transgender Kids & LBGTQ Parents

a reply to: Gryphon66

Honestly, it sounds like the two are using the kids in a proxy battle between themselves. That really sucks.

I think there is a legitimate position to take against the use of chemical castration drugs or puberty blockers on children in general for the sake of the passing impulse of a child in early development.

So, apparently not starting puberty blockers on a 7 year old boy. That makes better sense.

That isn't the entire problem with the "transitioning" of a child. I can't think of a practice more destructive than the disruption of a natural development process but then the mother added mental and emotional abuse as well as isolation tactics to forcibly inculcate this child with a choice: 1. Be a boy and suffer. 2. Act out your mother's nutjob fantasy and hope it makes things better.

From your posted sources:

Additionally, with the jury’s decision, Mr. Younger will likely be forced to “affirm” his son’s new gender identity: a girl named “Luna.”

Compelled belief in something that isn't so.

The boy, according to Younger, has already been fully “socially transitioned.”

Coupled with brainwashing.

The father noted that, in his opinion, he witnessed that his wife “was only giving [James] love and affection when he was acting like a girl.” She used to lock James in his room and tell him monsters only eat boys, Younger added.

Life-long conditioning abuse and forced isolation.

It seems to me that the only person living in reality is the father. The people around the child, who should know better, are afraid of getting sued or horribly brigaded into destitution as we have seen the trans rights crowd and the spurred on outrage mobs repeatedly do, even on the most innocuous of social slights. The mother is very clearly an abusive human being who is very resentful of this child's existence as a boy.

This poor child is a victim of abuse and the only person trying to save him from it is his father.

a reply to: projectvxn

First of all, I linked the wrong article above: Here's the orginal article regarding the matter in The Texan's original article

The Texan's article after the verdict

In rough order of your presentation ...

IF we were talking about a "passing impulse" in general or specifically n the Younger case, I would agree with you to some degree.

We aren't. The trial process as described involved multiple professionals including doctors, psychiatrists, endocrinologists, and in this case, court officials, social workers, legal specialists AND an neutral party attorney independently assigned to consider the childs rights. etc.

A parent does not go in and order "gender dysphoria treatment" up on the menu.

Georgulas (the mother) wasn't the only one we could imagine causing mental and emotional abuse to James. Why would you assume that the father didn't demand that "his boy" dress and act "like a boy" while he was in his custody? Why do you think a jury REMOVED both children from the father's custody? Were the jurors, public health workers, law enforcement ALL on the side of the wacky trans-activists IN TEXAS???

I don't think anyone is suprised you think the father is "living in reality" because his stated views align with yours.

A jury of 12 people IN TEXAS disagreed. Was the jury also afraid of "being sued."

So, logically, you have the court system, the medical profession, psychiatrists, attorneys, public health professionals who recommended that James/Luna be placed under the mother's custody ... but the father (who agrees with your position) is the ONLY ONE who cares about the kid.

I respectfully disagree.

Castrating 7 year olds is a win in Democrat circles as it placates to those in the Climate Change Church as well as the LBGTQ/OTWNB lobby.

Knocking out two balls with one stone, so to speak...

a reply to: GenerationGap

funny you mention climate change , because the reason why most people end up with Intersex male and female genetalia is through human pollution of the environment and they require corrective treatments

these climate deniers, what they going to do when one of their children or childrens children ends up born intersex
due to the impact of human pollutants on the environment

maybe then they will see the impact we have on our world.

a reply to: Bhadhidar

I agree with the general consensus of what you are saying. The thing is here we have parents allowing kids to make a decision to take hormones and puberty blockers that will have permanent irreversible affects on their body. Such as stunted bone growth, stunted intelligence, and sterility.

The kicker? 65% to 95% of trans people eventually realize and revert to their original gender. The thing is now they have allowed a seven year old make the decision to take permanent body altering drugs and hormones and now they have let a seven year old cause permanent harm to their body.

I say if a person wants to trans then great. But make it that a person has to be 18 years old or older to take those life altering drugs or hormones. That way at least an adult is making that decision.

Think about it. Where do they draw the line? If a seven year old can make that choice then how about a six year old? Okay how about 5? 4? Why not a three year old?

When the child turns 18, then decides that they are not what they are biologically, let them THEN decide to do whatever they wish.

Allowing a parent to sexually mutilate a 7 year old child that has not even hit puberty yet, is simply abhorrent.

"Can I have my willy back?"

What the hell is happening to our world?

Fred..

Governor Abbott of Texas has weighed in on this and has announced a review of this case. Better to be safe than sorry and keep this child's wellbeing, both present and future, at the heart of it all.

A Texas dad’s desperate battle to keep his 7-year-old child from undergoing a gender transition championed by the biological male’s mother has captured the attention of conservatives nationwide – including the Lone Star State’s governor, who announced a review of the case by top officials, even as all involved await a pivotal court ruling Thursday that could alter the youngster’s life forever.

www.foxnews.com...

There are some seriously messed up people in the world. Level of education does not determine level of sanity. Some mental health professionals needs some mental health evaluations of their own.

2 things:
I wonder how many of the very young "trans-wannabe' kids are actually adopted?
Maybe very perceptive young boys see the bias in society towards men and actually are seeking to avoid it - or the opposite; seeing how women are held up and want to be in the favored group.

If you are a boy growing up with a mother who hates men it all becomes pretty understandable.

No medical treatment is being done to a 7 year old. They are receiving counselling.

Waiting until puberty is complete to begin the process is not optional for best transitional results

Medical doctors, psychiatrists, attorneys, and now a jury have weighed in in general and in the specific case. Being transgender and/or having gender dysmorphia is just not up for debate nor is the therapeutic process. The matter has been settled scientifically and legally and there's no need to settle it religiously.

I never cease to be amazed that so many "lovers of liberty" only consider those who agree with their positions worthy to be free.

Sounds like the case is being used to make political hay by the Governor, who has no say in a jury's decision. I'm sure many are fine with that kind of statist interference.

SMDH

originally posted by: Gryphon66
I must have missed the part where the members in this forum appointed you as their spokesperson.

You're posting your own opinions.

True... but I would submit that we... those opposing this madness, are all on the same page.

Please limit your interaction with me to factual information as much as possible, very much appreciated so as not to waste time.

All of my responses have been 100% factual.

You haven't been forced at gunpoint to do any of those things.

When laws are passed, they are enforced at gunpoint. Maybe not immediately evident, but failure to comply will reveal the reality pretty quickly.

Gender dysphoria is not a delusion,

I agree... it is a mental illness.

and there are gigabytes of medical studies that have been done that put the lie to your claim.

Any study that attempts to negate scientific reality (that there are only two sexes), is fundamentally flawed.

I'll be glad to provide a few references to get you started:

American Medical Association

Yeah, the AMA has gone totally PC nuts... but nothing at that link or any of the others proves that a man can become a woman or vice versa.

The only ones who are using children for political purposes are those who make ludicrous, exaggerated claims because of their beliefs which are contradicted by doctors, psychiatrists, psychologists, public health professionals, etc.

You keep fighting for what you believe in, but don't expect to post nonsense and have it go unanswered.

What is nonsensical is claiming that a man can become a woman, or vice versa.

I honestly couldn't care less if a man wants to dress up like a woman. Just don't have any unrealistic expectations. If said man is obviously a man even when dressed up as a woman, don't be surprised if he gets kicked out of the ladies room by real women - or vice versa - but there really only seems to a be a genuine problem where men pretending to be women is concerned.

a reply to: tanstaafl

It's a rhetorical tactic to pretend you speak for anyone but yourself, also, fallacious: argumentum ad populum.

Claiming opinions are facts because one repeatedly says so not a valid argument.

Claiming that the AMA is "nuts" is more unsubstantiated opinion.

There's PC on display here on all sides of the argument.

No studies cited are denying reality. If they do prove it with a respected source.

Many posts here are denying facts because some refuse to accept that everyone doesn't agree.

Stating that you don't accept LGBT+ folks based on your religion or whatever is fine; you're an American. So what? Using your beliefs to deny other people their civil and natural rights is against the law.

Laws "enforced at gunpoint" is merely a turn of phrase intended to evoke emotion. If as you say all laws are that way, singling one law out as unfair is illogical.

Addressing several fake claims here:

One of the vital misunderstandings seems to be a lack of understanding of the distinctions made between sex and gender. Sex is biological, physiological and biochemical. It is generally true to claim that there are two sexes, but as we learn more scientifically we learn that what is generally true is an approximation. Numbers and types of chromosomes are normal but there are variations on the norm. Physiologically speaking, there are two general categories ... But there are specific variations that can make a significant difference in how a human experiences their lives. Using a term like abnormal might be technically correct but we all know it's generally rude to refer to another PERSON that way.

Gender is associated but not the same as sex. Gender is culturally defined based on male and female sex differences which is why we have the words man and woman. "Being a man or woman" is a statement about gender ... certain cultural and social definitions attend to the word ... modes of dress and grooming, typical vocations etc., behavioral expectations etc.

Gender identity is how we EXPERIENCE our own gender. A trans identity basically implies that a person's experienced gender is not the same as their physiological sex.

Repeating that a male cannot become female at this point in our technological development is true but unnecessary in general and specifically in some cases just plain rude.

Claiming that a man cannot become a woman is merely a belief that is not supported by medical fact.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
2 things:
I wonder how many of the very young "trans-wannabe' kids are actually adopted?
Maybe very perceptive young boys see the bias in society towards men and actually are seeking to avoid it - or the opposite; seeing how women are held up and want to be in the favored group.

If you are a boy growing up with a mother who hates men it all becomes pretty understandable.

I think you're right about this. I think -- I know -- that anyone's and everyone's perception of "gender" is based solely upon their perception of gender. It's all subjective. So those men and women who are role models in children's lives are greatly shaping their perception of who and what men and women are. And because their world is so small, whether those examples are good or bad, those role models will in large part represent (and define) all men and women...

I think this is why so many girls who have been sexually abused want to identify as men... because they figure men won't bother them any more if they're not "girls". Likewise, girls that have seen their mothers abused and used by men think if they become men they won't be abused like their mothers were.

Why do SO MANY care so passionately about someone else's sex, sexual orientation, or gender identity unless you are a) in a relationship with that person or b) your own personal views contradict known medical fact which in turn cause your behaviors to be assaultive or abusive to other people.

I don't care about other people's identities for the most part. How one constructes "who I am" might be interesting or uninteresting to me, but within the limitations of my civil rights, who cares? Who cares if another person identifies as an elf, a squirrel or even as someone suggested humorously the other day ... a firetruck? Be who you want to be, but don't expect others to approve of you or even ... respect you.

Learn not to care about their approval and to earn their respect if that's something want knowing that some will never approve and never respect you. Remove those people from your life.

You have the right to live your life free from abuse, so do I and so do They.

Politics, religion, ethics, morality ... I don't mind discussing any of these topics in a philosophical way, but I am growing to the point that NONE of that makes any difference to me for someone else only their actions and behavior matter and attempts to abuse or assault me and/or mine.

Isn't it rather convenient that the argument adult parents use for starting hormone therapy in a child so young (that once they hit puberty the "opposing" hormones will irreparably "damage" the transgender child), is also an age young enough that it will completely change the child's sex before they are old enough to make a responsible choice?

Let's face it if your 13 or 14 year old boy is still telling you he is a girl then it is something you might want to start looking into, but according to LGBTQ by then that trans boy has endured months or even years of opposing hormones via puberty, and so by not acting sooner you have in effect "ruined" any chances of your biological boy to develop with female hormones before puberty hit him/her/it.

Again, convenient.


Does anyone else get the same feeling about this mother as mothers who secretly murder their own children one after another for "sympathy"?

That maybe this woman is disfiguring her child to be a part of the "cult of wokeness" and the pictures in her wallet of her disfigured child will be seen as instant "woke" credentials among her peers?
A "woke" individual is just the living embodiment of a "virtue signal".

A person virtue signals because they want to be viewed as "heroic" and "devoted" to their cause in the eyes of their peers.

It's called munchausen by proxy syndrome and it is one form of filicide (a mother who kills her child).


This is my own theory as pertains to this case-

" Beyond maternal filicide, there is another very dark maternal phenomenon that few people are familiar with: Munchausen syndrome by proxy (MSBP). This disorder refers to an adult caregiver who fakes or causes harm to a being in their care. In most cases, the victim is a young child but other possible targets including the elderly and pets. Cross-cultural studies of this disorder have revealed that the mother is the lone culprit in 86% of cases (Feldman & Brown, 2002). Some of the benefits reaped by MSBP perpetrators include being showered with empathy and sympathy, as well as being hailed for their “heroic” parental love and devotion."

www.psychologytoday.com...


This new form of child abuse can replace filicide in the sense that a mother can now get all the attention that filicide provides with NONE OF THE PERSECUTION OR JAILTIME.

If fact, it will provide her with exactly what she is looking for, to be praised for her heroic parental love and devotion for the rest of her life while her little pet freak, (her child) lives on as proof of her undying parental love
Her little freak of nature or-
Her little "woke" of nature.

I wouldn't be surprised if that same 86% number represents the number of mothers as opposed to fathers who engage in this behavior towards their children.

Not blaming women here, there are plenty of "woke" virtue signaling male beta cucks out there. It's why we call them soy BOYS..
But this is something altogether different.
I hesitate to even call it "child abuse" as these parents are exhibiting a type of mental disorder that may be related to munchausen by proxy syndrome.

Watching the video of the child answering his father's questions revealed a lot, imo.

He had a towel of some sort wrapped around his head to pretend it was long hair. Think about that. He is not yet in the concrete stage of thought.

Everything he said was in reference to what his mother had told him.

a reply to: Gryphon66

It's about the changes they wish to force on society and individuals.

This is not a rights movement. A rights movement doesn't require others to believe things that are not true, to speak compelled words, to usurp women's spaces and claim them as their own, to demand access to services despite the protestations of those involved. Nor should they be allow to join the military and force the military to accommodate their issues or to expose themselves to further mental illness and instability by performing in a military environment. It just isn't a responsible policy. Lastly, the imposition of gender identity politics on children is child abuse. The chemical castration or alteration of children should be illegal outright.

Rights are not and should not be a call to impose upon others.

This stands in stark contrast to the gay rights movement. The gay rights movement didn't require anyone to change their beliefs. It doesn't require anyone to change their language or the natural use thereof, or the imposition of grammatically incorrect usage of pronouns, or the usurpation of men or women by virtue of their demands for equal treatment under the law, nor the imposition of homosexuality on children.

The only societal change that was imposed was the inclusion of homosexual men and lesbian women into the military. That is not the same as transexuals in the military as no mental or physical accommodation was needed for integration.

Trans "rights" are not rights. They are demands made of society, imposed by an aberrant minority on the vast majority of normal people.

a reply to: JonathanNicholas

Yes, this reminds me of the "Munchausen by proxy" syndrome, and can be just as destructive. As far as the mother is concerned, if I were the father, I would fight until the end to make sure that woman had as little contact with the kid as I could.

Fred..

originally posted by: queenofswords
Watching the video of the child answering his father's questions revealed a lot, imo.

He had a towel of some sort wrapped around his head to pretend it was long hair. Think about that. He is not yet in the concrete stage of thought.

Everything he said was in reference to what his mother had told him.

Everything he said was also trying to please his father.

a reply to: projectvxn

Changes? Okay.

Changes in the idea that there is one standard (straight, cisgendered) that is acceptable?

That idea needs to change, or at least, the ways in which that idea affects other American citizens needs to change.

Yes, it absolutely is a rights movement.

Transgender Americans have the same rights as all other Americans.

Transgender Americans have the right to their own identity regardless of what any other individual thinks SO LONG AS no actual harm is done because of that identity.

Transgender Americans have the right to basic respect and the right not to be abused in public or private.

Transgender Americans have a right to use facilities that they feel comfortable and secure in. Perhaps the reality is that all public spaces (like bathrooms, changing rooms, etc.) should no longer be communal to protect everyone's dignity and safety.

Transgender Americans have the right to public accomodation. If a business serves the public, then a transgender American should be served as any other member of the public. If a service is not provided to the public by a business, then no one has a right to demand that service.

Transgender Americans have the same right to join the military as every other American. How could they not as long as they meet the requirements?

Transgender American children have the same rights to medical treatment as any other American when diagnosed and prescribed by licensed health professionals.

Your argument is that civil rights don't compel anyone else to do anything simply isn't true. If I'm Black and you don't want to allow me to vote on that basis, you will be compelled to do so by law because your right doesn't impose over my right.

Medical science and legal precedent accepts that transgender Americans exist and have a right to exist as they are.

Nobody has a right to tell anyone else that they don't have a right to be who they are SO LONG AS who they are does not cause harm or abuse to other people with the same rights.

I don't even know what to say about your claim that "the gay rights movement didn't require anyone to change their beliefs." I've lived through it for 53 years. I can assure you that it did require massive changes in beliefs on the part of some and it does every single day. The very premise of this thread is that gay people might cause their kids to be transgender. Based on what? One example.

Then, very rapidly, supporting children who are growing up and realizing who they are gets turned into child abuse. Gays abuse their children and cause them to become trans/gay/etc. The next step is an accusation of gays perpetrating sexual assault and pedophila. Sound familiar?

The invocation as we see too many times of the ol' "slippery slope" really means that LGB folks shouldn't have gotten the right to exist without being arrested, jailed, lobotomized or electro-shocked, to marry the person of their choice, etc. etc.

Transgender rights are human rights. When a society treats a member of that society differently because of some arbitrary characteristic that harms no one (creed, religion, national origin, sex, race, color, ethnic background, disability, family status, military service, sexual orientation or gender identity) then that society needs to be brought into line with Constitutional rights (which in the case under discussion, mostly concerns the right to due process and equality before the laws.)