very well condensed information, there, soficrow. i am continually amazed at how bush(it's not really bush, of course, it's the whole lot of the old buy's club) can sweep away america's founding principals right in front of everyone's eyeballs, without so much as a hiccup from the whole social net. the infernal machine is very well-oiled.

i see i wasnt the only one who watched that special on link tv earlier...

Financial power and the freedom to pursue it built the U. S., and now financial powers will destroy it. America the beautiful is now America the dutiful. Corporations, in essence, have become nations unto themselves whose only GDP is profit. It was only a matter of time before laws became tailored to their whims.

I found this quotes very interesting it can pretty much apply to what is going on in American right now, Corporations has not hart and not feelings they are to just suck the American consumer dried, and when we complain we just turn into criminals.

I see that under corporations the policies of the last 20 years are a rich man’s version of adjustment. The US population is largely made of poor, black, and Hispanic, and most of it dissatisfied.

Every where you see in the news, how good our economy is, but is not so the policies of our governments has a negative effect one the low income families.

Look at our wages, only recently we have regained the wages levels of 30 years ago, but at what price? By working longer hours and harder, with both members, husband and wife having to work two jobs just to have what our grandparents used to achieve with only one parent working an 8 hour a day job.

We cannot longer do that in our country without sacrificing income and status, but now we have a new law that will make harder for a family to become a family, with the new bankruptcy law so it will be not slack, hard working americans can not get sick, have an emergency or stop working to take care of the family and home because it will become penalized.

This is how corporate power manages our governments.

"The two party system just means that the corporations cut two checks instead of one."
-- Barry Crimmins.

I can relay on this quote here because it comes over and over whenever we talk about the government and how it favors big corporations.

"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist."
-- Dom Helder Camara, Brazilian archbishop.

For some reason every time that we show the injustices of our administrations we are tag “socialist” or “communist” I guess for some as long as the “opresion” comes from our elected officials is ok.


And my favorite quote so far.

"Another weapon I discovered early was the power of the printed word to sway souls to me. The newspaper was soon my gun, my flag- a thing with a soul that could mirror my own."
-- Adolph Hitler

Your interpretation of this matter is gravely misleading, sickening I would say.
Expanding business climate is fascist to you? Giving opportunities to many in the third world with NAFTA is corporate takeover to you?

I wont even bother to dig into this socialist garbage.
To those who are easily manipulated I would suggest that they research for themselves, there's another side of the coin to everything.

Originally posted by Megaquad
Expanding business climate is fascist to you? Giving opportunities to many in the third world with NAFTA is corporate takeover to you?

Yes.........out sourcing is good for you for me and for the poor child in China that works for pennies, for corporate giants like wal mart.

Out sourcing is good.

I wont even bother to dig into this socialist garbage.
To those who are easily manipulated I would suggest that they research for themselves, there's another side of the coin to everything.

Yeah........when we see what the administration is doing to the hard working American and when the hard working American complain is called socialist, hum.........you most be a wealthy American that does not have to worry about when you going to see you kids first because you work two jobs to keep the food on a table.

How lucky you are.

Let keep selling our country to big corporations while we the American people have to sacrifice for the cause.

great post...

so this "public outcry" is our only hope???

people like alex jons???

I'm kind of tired of this.

We all know there's a ton of wrong out there.

Is it enough to revolt and to change things for a few hundred years?

Is it time yet?

I mean, it's going to happen eventually. Every empire falls, and the American is just like any other.

But I'm tired of someone saying "It's happening this year" and then the year passes by and no one does anything because it turns out it wasn't really that bad.

Is it finally that bad?

Should we revolt before we're trapped? Will we be able to revolt after?

Do we have any plans for what to do after the revolution?

No. We don't. We shouldn't revolt yet but we wouldn't be able to afterwards.

Things aren't that bad yet comparatively - despite the fact that they're terrible. The simple idea that the government has "No Trespassing Zones" where no one can go is enough for revolt, technically, given that the government is the people's tool to effectively distribute wealth. If they work for us, and we want in, how can they refuse us access? That's an outrage.

There's other outrages, but it's never enough.

So, I'm tired of this. Either it happens or it doesn't, and I can tell you right now, for the time being, it doesn't.

Call me when we've got a smoking gun and a dead body, so we can scream bloody murder and overthrow the unjust system, to establish our own magical wonder that will revert to the same horrible travesty of our dreams in a few hundred years.

As I said, it's tiring. Like crying wolf.

I think you'll find that America as our Founding ForeFathers founded it to be slowly degraded into something else within the first 50 years. Not 200 years. In the last 200 years we have seen many changes come to play because of the erosion that happened between the 1770's and 1820's.

People dislike me because I am a radical..what kind of radical...someone young enough without the responsibilities of a middle aged adult. It is someone who intensely dreamt about a true republic when they were young. It is someone who is ready to fight and die to get back to the ideals people before us once had and however the current era necessitates we modify them.

Fight this - that's what scares people - the fight this mentality.

So now I pose the question to you Soficrow. What are you suggesting besides offering your analysis and historical perspective on the sellout of the U.S. government?

[edit on 6-3-2005 by 00PS]

Originally posted by 00PS
I think you'll find that America as our Founding ForeFathers founded it to be slowly degraded into something else within the first 50 years. Not 200 years. In the last 200 years we have seen many changes come to play because of the erosion that happened between the 1770's and 1820's.

Imk flabberghasted! Someone actually knows their American history! Not something you find very often.

Sofi, Great job as always. A very interesting and fact filled op-ed. Nobody can dig up the facts quite like you.

I have been fighting with the government since 1999. All of my lawyers tell me that what has been done to me is obvious and is wrong, but they are the U.S. government and they can do anything that they want and there is nothing that I can do about it.

Good lord,

One of the biggest problems the US actually faces is that an entire swath of its young adult population has been brainwashed into thinking that 'freedom' is something that only applies to music and sex. The notion that 'freedom' also means economic freedom has been, somehow, twisted into the world of the taboo by left wing propagandists.

It's just sad to see an entire generation that is growing up without anything more than such a shallow concept of freedom. Stockholders are evil, being in control of your own economics is evil... Bush is evil because he won't let kids steal music from the internet... and on and on and on... Hopefully, one day, this generation will realize that there is more to freedom than sex and drugs and the ability to whine when you can't have all the sex and drugs that you want.

Until then I'll just have to sit through more tirades about how evil Bush is for believing in free enterprise... which, and sorry to break this to all the Maoists out there, IS freedom. Sex and drugs aren't freedom. Being able to own your own life is freedom.

move most of the working middle class into a new 'peasant' class.

Soficrow, once again you're right on the mark. This quote contains so much truth it's sick. The middle class are controlled by their jobs and they desperately cling to them.

My opinion is that as long as Americans learn to quote the Constitution there'll be less traction for this crap. If I know my rights, the powers in charge will move on to somone weaker and less informed. If we can ALL be informed then change can occur. The Constitution is like the bible in America and although it's loaded down with stupid crap these days, it is the sort of document (bought with the blood of patriots) that can shed this Patriot Act crap and rise like a phoenix.

The Constitution cannot be killed by terrorists but it can be killed by American Senators.

Originally posted by onlyinmydreams



Good lord,

One of the biggest problems the US actually faces is that an entire swath of its young adult population has been brainwashed into thinking that 'freedom' is something that only applies to music and sex. The notion that 'freedom' also means economic freedom has been, somehow, twisted into the world of the taboo by left wing propagandists.

It's just sad to see an entire generation that is growing up without anything more than such a shallow concept of freedom. Stockholders are evil, being in control of your own economics is evil... Bush is evil because he won't let kids steal music from the internet... and on and on and on... Hopefully, one day, this generation will realize that there is more to freedom than sex and drugs and the ability to whine when you can't have all the sex and drugs that you want.

Until then I'll just have to sit through more tirades about how evil Bush is for believing in free enterprise... which, and sorry to break this to all the Maoists out there, IS freedom. Sex and drugs aren't freedom. Being able to own your own life is freedom.

Finally someone with some sense.... i am with you onlyinmydreams...

It is getting tiresome that some people try to find any excuse, even if they have to exagerate and use hoaxes which have been debunked time and time again in this same forums to further their own agenda...but of course, these people would call the debunking as "government propaganda done by government undercover agents"..... as always...it can't be people that actually use the greymatter they were born with to think "for themselves" instead of getting swept away with the exagerations and propaganda from the left....

I am pretty sure that by August, or even next year you will be here soficrow, with some other members, talking once more about the "evil government", and you will be trying once more to provoke some sort of revolt because you feel you don't have enough and you want more....

Have you ever thought to actually use your head in something constructive, and perhaps you can better yourself and your life?.... Come up with a new innovative idea...start a new business, even if it is small...that's what's great about Capitalism, and free enterprise... anyone can become sucessful.

What also amazes me is that these same people, who are always talking about the new communist...i mean working class revolution....hey wait...isn't that exactly what communists called it?.....Anyways.... these same people always cry wolf when the government might investigate perhaps some of the things they say because they talk about another civil war.... Of course the government would try to find out if you are planning some sort of violent attack....it happens in all countries in the world... In Spain the government does it to those who are part of ETA, and now Muslim extremists.... if you have some sort of contact with any of these groups, or any others, you can expect the government in Spain to investigate about you, and in the US it is the same.....

sniff sniff........I smell a big pile of denial here. Oh, or is it horse turd? Or was that kitty poop.........Nice, huh Ed?

Originally posted by soficrow
Bush owns Congress and the Senate. Neither body will block any new legislation's passage without a public outcry. And that's the strategy's weakness.

Do you ever stop? "Braveheart," "Rob Roy," Les Miserables? Maybe you watch too much cinema.

If George W. Bush declares himself king or dictator, I think we will have something to worry about. In the meantime console yourself with the fact that in about 18 months, GW will be slowly morphing into a lame duck and following that, there will be an election.

Have you considered the Collaborative Fiction forum?

Aren't you Canadian? Isn't Canadian politics interesting enough to keep you entertained?

[edit on 05/3/6 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by Kidfinger
sniff sniff........I smell a big pile of denial here. Oh, or is it horse turd? Or was that kitty poop.........Nice, huh Ed?

Come to think of it I've smelled that smell since this post went up

OIMD, Muaddib and Grady probly smelled the same thing I did.

Originally posted by Phoenix


Come to think of it I've smelled that smell since this post went up

OIMD, Muaddib and Grady probly smelled the same thing I did.

Its an inside thing. You dont have a clue as to its true meaning.