Noel Gallagher hits out at Jeremy Corbyn 'Captain Fishy', Diane Abbott and Nigel Farage

I would rather watch the Spice Girls than Oasis. If I were given the chance to converse with any of the spice girls one on one I am pretty sure my comments would be "Oh that is an interesting way to look at that" "Wow I have never heard anyone with such an interesting approach" "How did you come up with such a knowledgeable interesting viewpoint" "You may be the most intelligent human I have ever had the pleasure of conversing with" "Do you do all your own stunts" "Wow all that insight must have tired you out"

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: TheSteppenwolf

Corbin crap aside, not many people rate the Man, myself included.

However, If you think 48.1% of the rest of the people of this nation who wish to remain part of the EU, should somehow “go to North Korea” simply because they don't share the same opinion as yourself, then you are part of the problem not the solution.

For a start where would it end, what other demographics would be next?

Talk about slippery slopes.

No it’s not because they don’t share the same opinion, but because you want to overturn a democratic election.

No one gives a hoot about your opinion because your opinion lost.

originally posted by: andy06shake
Nobody really rates Corbyn but this bloke has been stinking rich and part of the elite for over 20 years.

You don't have to be "working class", or poor, to vote Labour.

There are numerous examples of Champagne socialists, many who set Labour policy, and would not be seen dead with a "poor" person. Dinner Party socialists - Guardian readers. Even Corbyn is rich and would hestitate to create a tax system that overly disadvantages himself. Union bosses earn high salaries, and people like Tony Benn and his ilk wallowed in money. It seems that socialism is for the rich.

On Noel Gallagher. Well, he has a point.

a reply to: TheSteppenwolf

Aside from the 48.1% that voted to remain.

Hows that nobody?

I think they might be given more than a hoot.

Where is it you hail from again?

a reply to: paraphi

Well, that's handy then because he certainly is not working class any longer.

Just a rich opinionated twat that seems to have forgotten his roots.

Not like Noel has much to worry about where hard Brexit is concerned.

Im, sure he will come out the other side relatively unscathed.

Not so for the majority of the rest of us all the same.

a reply to: andy06shake

Not working class? Does he not work, then?

Can't stand him, his brother or Oasis myself but I agree with him about Corbyn and she whose name must not be mentioned.

a reply to: oldcarpy

Well, he does not need to work now, with his bank account, unless it takes his fancy.

Corbyn is obviously the same problem he has always been, canny polish that turd.

As to she who must not be named, well at least she going, but if her replacement is Boris, thats just out of the fat and into the frying pan really.

a reply to: andy06shake

Cheer up.

Class politics died some time ago. Most "working class" people want to be something else, and social mobility is the new reality.

Surely, if people want to better themselves then that's good – whether it’s professionally, academically or financially. We cannot all robotically follow the mould we were born into and aspire to be poor or “working class”.

a reply to: andy06shake

SWMNBN is not May. Initials are DA, if that helps .

But Noel got his money from working, did he not?

a reply to: paraphi

Class war is raging, however, and it doesn't look to be calming down anytime soon.

Bettering yourself is exactly what people try and achieve.

But we canny all break the mould nether, which is the main point of contention.

Put it this way, chances are Noel would not have broken the mould without his music nor fanbase.

And when I've been listening to Oasis tunes, they are not singing the praises about rich Tory twats in their ivory castles nor towers, just everyday people.

Arent these guys (or at least one of them)..City supporters ?

That's enough for me

a reply to: oldcarpy

Diane Abbott? My bad through you meant what he said about May.

Well, he made his money from people buying his music.

He's another working-class hero who doesn't pay taxation at the same rate as people who're are paying.

The majority of such being working class people who voted to remain and still wish to remain.

That's a hell of a lot of his fan base he's willing to send to the likes of North Korea just because they don't share his opinions.

a reply to: andy06shake

Andy, how can anyone disagree with what he said?

Corbyn is an absolute knobhead and a national disgrace.

How Abbott has risen to such an elevated position is beyond me.
She is an intellectual moron, purveyor of the 'white privilege' myth and various other politically correct dictates.

I like Noel Gallagher, he makes me laugh and makes some astute observations.
I've seen him live in Oasis, solo and with High Flying Birds....excellent musician.
He is changing into something of an arty 'muso' and losing sight of his working class roots....but that doesn't mean he's wrong on this.

I'd be interested to hear his take on that oaf Boris and the Tory twats, I hope he'd be equally contemptuous.

originally posted by: andy06shake
Class war is raging, however, and it doesn't look to be calming down anytime soon.

Umm. Class war is so yesterday. It’s obviously raging in your head though!

Class war exists alongside the proletariat and the Red Flag singers. Consigned to the dustbin of history. People don't care for the old politics that sought to insert social division by categorising swathes of the population as the good guys, or the bad guys. Nowadays people don't want to "come from a long line of manual labourers". They want to do other things, and not be stereotyped or held back.

I live in a rural community. The term "working class" has not entered the conversation for decades, even though people work damned hard.

a reply to: Freeborn

Well, i certanly don't hold with the sentiment where he suggests sending the majority of the Oasis fanbase aka the remainers off to North Korea.

That sound like a Tory to me Freeborn, and i canny hold with that given where he came from.

I like Oasis as well, which is why I'm a bit taken back and find Noel's outlook to be rather discombobulating.

I don't hold with Corbyn or Abbott nether, as they are simply not firing on all cylinders.

a reply to: paraphi

I have an enormous amount of respect for both you and your opinions.
But if you think class divisions are no longer relevant or don't exist then you are sadly mistaken.

Just look at the background of the vast majority of our politicians, senior Civil Servants, Industrialists and bankers, Judiciary, clerics, military, police etc - they nearly all come from the same type of privileged background.
There is a glass ceiling that prevents people of more 'humbler' birth and background achieving high office and positions and power and influence.

Social mobility has become increasingly 'stagnant';

Inequality in Britain is “now entrenched from birth to work”, according to a damning report by the government’s social mobility commission that charts failures in education and employment policies that have caused class privilege to become more entrenched.
“Being born privileged means you are likely to remain privileged. But being born disadvantaged means you may have to overcome a series of barriers to ensure you and your children are not stuck in the same trap,” said Martina Milburn, who took over as chair after mass resignations by commissioners in protest at government policies.

www.theguardian.com...

But I guess that is a topic for discussion in another thread.

a reply to: paraphi

Class war is so yesterday???

Aye right!

I guess all this forced austerity is just in all our heads also?

I live in a city inundated by abject poverty with 100s of homeless people on our streets.

People work damned hard up here also but it does not stop 19% of there children, approximately 180,000 each year, living in relative poverty.

Class war is not yesterday, its today, tomorrow, next week, and year after year for the foreseeable future, with no end in site.

a reply to: andy06shake

On what do you base the assumption that all Oasis fans are Remainers?
The majority I know are very much in favour of Brexit....as are the majority of urban, white working class people.

And he's scathing of those who wish to ignore and overturn the result of a democratically held referendum despite he himself being in favour of Remaining.

His comment about sending those anti-democratic people to North Korea was done to emphasise and for comedic value, as he frequently does and was not intended to be taken seriously.
I know you understand that.

a reply to: Freeborn

I think he simply may be rather miffed about the possibility of having to pay more tax, to be honest.

I would not say all Oasis fans are Remainers, but the majority of them sure are not Tory fanboys.

And if i was going to hazard a guess i would say most of them are probably still in the Remain camp and will continue to think the same.

Democracy seems to be whats anti-democratic these days, or at least the politicians that are supposed to represent the people are somewhat anti-democratic via there actions.

What i understand is that comments about sending nearly half the nation to NK because they don't share Noels sentiments could be considered to be rather arrogant in the extreme.

I thought that was Liam's bag as well? The arrogance that is. LoL

a reply to: andy06shake

Class war is not just about poverty, or relative poverty.

Anyway. On the "working class" and Brexit.

It seems that a good portion of the said "working class" voted for Brexit. In research the social groups AB (Higher & intermediate managerial, administrative, professional occupations) was significantly more inclined to vote to stay in the comfy EU. The social groups C2 or DE (Skilled manual occupations or Semi-skilled & unskilled manual occupations, Unemployed and lowest grade occupations) wanted to leave.

The Remainers are the establishment and the elite, the "educated" and the "professional". Do you not recall the sentiment that people who voted for Brexit were uneducated and "simpletons who could not understand the arguments"? You know, the types of people who should not be allowed to have any option whatsoever because if it’s not racist, then it’s poorly informed.

Not all Tories voted for Brexit and clearly a good proportion of society stereotyped as “working class” did vote for Brexit. In fact, the tensions we have across the country are because Brexiteers and Remainers have not fallen down across traditional party lines.