Iran responsible for 'blatant assault' on oil tankers in Gulf of Oman, Mike Pompeo says

a reply to: pravdaseeker

To be fair about the video, zaphod has pointed out before they dumb down the quality so that enemies don't know the capabilities of optics. After the the striking of the hill, it comes to no surprise we would have a drone go in. But the quality reminds me of a WWI black and white footage on old film. Surely they could show more so that we could see a flag and also "the device".

But I'm having a hard time as to why it would be above the waterline, and as you pointed out why the owner would try to get people to question the narrative.

Unfortunately, either way, whether this is Iran or someone trying to frame them, I think it will escalate just the same.

My guess is we'll start doing naval escorts soon, and that's when something bad could happen.

The reason I am questioning the narrative so hard is the speed at which they're pushing it. When Jamal Khashoggi got killed, the government walked on eggshells while evidence was coming out, slow to point blame understandably as Saudi Arabia is an ally.... But this they are willing to stir up tension in under 24 hours.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Theft of what? Iranian assets frozen in sanctions?

It's interesting people keep glossing over that fact..why do seemingly knowledgeable people do that?

I think some believe it. It got pushed around the right wing news circuit hard and still gets peppered in from time to time. I listen to talk radio almost every day while I do some of my commutes. But I take it with a block of salt, I like hearing all sides of debate. I also listen/read liberal, moderate, and foreign commentary. My favorite is old school deliver nothing but facts with boring tone and you decide.

Iranians fired missile at US drone prior to tanker attack, US official says

So now the Iranians fired a missile at a drone, the drone that took the "guilty video" apparently.

Nope, one watching them earlier. From your link.

Episodes like this are why I trust no one, and can see the influence of the MIC. It's also why though I lean right, I know we need the left for checks and balances sometimes

The Phil Donahue show was canceled by MSNBC three weeks before the invasion of Iraq. Donahue had previously lost support after he expressed his feelings regarding the first Gulf War. General Electric who owned MSNBC at the time was also a major defense contractor removed the show and fired him.

Got to believe some of these officials touting it's Iran are owned by some company or entity. Its as simple as like when the success of the cruise missiles first happened, fricking made companies millions or more in government contracts overnight. Same thing with the Patriot missile. Guys like Bolton and Pompeo are beating war drums way too early to not be literally owned by some or multiple entities. LOL it's not even good war planning to be this obvious anyway, much better to be silent instead of being so obvious and blatant.

WW3 will start soon. it is long overdue

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

Either way, I don't think modern colonialism would work, because America is trying that with Iraq and Afghanistan. This may come as a surprise, but some people don't like occupying forces. And while you may see it as bringing them salvation, many people don't want something forced on them by people who not only don't understand them, but don't care to.

So where is the answer if non intervention is they key?

Left to mitself with no outsife intervention we are likely to see a war of global proportions break out that will encompass the whole ME, Sunni pitted against Shia and here is the really scary bit....................vAt some point in the very near futureboth Sunni and Shia are going to get their nuclear arsenals and when the shiy hit the fan the the whole world is going to goup in smoke. That is the end result of the non interventionost idea, total nuke war between the factiond taking us all dow with them.

The cat is out of the bag now and that cat is far too bdangerous to let it roam around on its own. Only by controlling the ME can we avoid the scenario above. There is no other route at this point in time that can save the worlf from nuclear war

South America you gave by the way an intresresting bexample and at theb same time we need to remember that regio is in itself colonised today by the western ideas and religion of the Christians and our economic and judicial influences. South America might be the example of how to deal with the ME in the future if the tribes are tostop killing each other but howmlong has colonisation taken in S America................ Hundreds of years?

Before the Iraq War, I used to chat with several Iraqis on the internet. We talked about our lives in both countries.
They looked up to our country and they had no love for Saddam either.
After the Iraq War, they wanted nothing to do with our country because the millions killed along with Sanctions was a bigger monster than Saddam ever was.

Would you ever accept a foriegn country occupying America with troops along with millions of Americans killed from their occupation?

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Iran at this moment in time is probably the biggest threat to world peace

I think you could sell that statement more if you said biggest threat to regional peace, and I'd humor that along with you.

Iran has about a third of a GDP as Texas. They are a long ways off from being able to project out of their regional influence.

Germany had one of the lower GDPs per capita in Europe leading into WW2. It's a poor indicator of how big a threat military-wise a country is to the rest of the world.

Do you think Iran intends to project past their region?

I don't think any country that is a serious threat to spark a world war initially intends to project past their region. It all starts with invading neighboring countries. That said, everyone who is demonstrating a "Oh no, poor Iran is getting blamed without evidence" attitude here seems to totally ignore the simple fact that Iranian leadership has openly threatened exactly what happened here for years. If the guy down the street tells you day after day "I'm going to kill your dog" and one day you come home and find your dog dead mutilated on your front lawn, who is the first suspect in your mind and who will you instantly accuse?

The source of all these threats and the interpretation is from the corporate media and US State Department. Our politicians are known liars as we all agree all the time so we should not take anything they say at face value.

I would say threats are pretty hollow either way compared to actually attacking us like Saudi Arabia did and get a free pass.

This could all be over in a day if Iran sent a bag of gold to every politician along with an arms shipment request.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: pravdaseeker

To be fair about the video, zaphod has pointed out before they dumb down the quality so that enemies don't know the capabilities of optics. After the the striking of the hill, it comes to no surprise we would have a drone go in. But the quality reminds me of a WWI black and white footage on old film.

Why would they dumb down the optics to an even lower quality than I can buy from a drone bought on Amazon? It makes more sense that they lowered the quality so the noone can identify anything.

You could say those were Russians or Americans in that boat and noone could refute that either.

originally posted by: putnam6
Episodes like this are why I trust no one, and can see the influence of the MIC. It's also why though I lean right, I know we need the left for checks and balances sometimes

The Phil Donahue show was canceled by MSNBC three weeks before the invasion of Iraq. Donahue had previously lost support after he expressed his feelings regarding the first Gulf War. General Electric who owned MSNBC at the time was also a major defense contractor removed the show and fired him.

Got to believe some of these officials touting it's Iran are owned by some company or entity. Its as simple as like when the success of the cruise missiles first happened, fricking made companies millions or more in government contracts overnight. Same thing with the Patriot missile. Guys like Bolton and Pompeo are beating war drums way too early to not be literally owned by some or multiple entities. LOL it's not even good war planning to be this obvious anyway, much better to be silent instead of being so obvious and blatant.

Yep, we need to remove the profit motive from war some way.
It is wayyyyyy out of control in this country.

A lot of defenders of Iranian state-backed terrorism here.
Photos prove them guilty.
Caught red-handed.

But, hey, don't believe your lyin' eyes...because the Iranian Mullahs are really good people.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Photos prove them guilty.
Caught red-handed.

"They" were caught red handed removing something, probably an unexploded device. But, there are no photos of them placing the devices on ships, are there?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: IAMTAT

Photos prove them guilty.
Caught red-handed.

"They" were caught red handed removing something, probably an unexploded device. But, there are no photos of them placing the devices on ships, are there?

It's called removing incriminating evidence.

It's a thing.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Isn't Iran's Guard supposed to be keeping The Strait of Hormuz safe, due to their territorial rights? Wouldn't it also be their duty to respond to fires, etc., and to remove any unexploded device?

Why would they remove incriminating evidence in plain sight, like they did? The whole world knows they have the incriminating evidence in their possession now. I'm' sure the local authorities from Iran and Oman are already deep into their own investigation of what happened, as they continue to deny any involvement.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
A lot of defenders of Iranian state-backed terrorism here.
Photos prove them guilty.
Caught red-handed.

But, hey, don't believe your lyin' eyes...because the Iranian Mullahs are really good people.

LOL it's not only that don't think it's been established with certainty it's Iran, don't think it punches the ticket to put more American's in harm's way and escalate the situation with military strikes if it is. If it is Iran build a coalition get your ducks in a row get more evidence, but till then just escort our ships through the area. Absolutely nothing can hurt waiting till they cross a higher threshold.

After seeing what happened in Iraq, I bet the people of Iran can't wait for America to come free them.

a reply to: carewemust
CONVENIENT is the word I would have used.

a reply to: carewemust

This is exactly why no one believes him.
The intelligence agencies have not been waging any kind of coup.

IT IS ALL LIES. BY TRUMP

Most people can see this.

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

oh stop.... he gets everything he deserves.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: carewemust

This is exactly why no one believes him.
The intelligence agencies have not been waging any kind of coup.

IT IS ALL LIES. BY TRUMP

Most people can see this.

You jumped thread to spam some more I see.

I believe Trump in this instance.

So for you to say "no one believes him" is false.

You stated in the other thread that you believe that Trump was the one responsible for trying to sink the tankers.....

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Lolz

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: IAMTAT

Isn't Iran's Guard supposed to be keeping The Strait of Hormuz safe, due to their territorial rights? Wouldn't it also be their duty to respond to fires, etc., and to remove any unexploded device?

Why would they remove incriminating evidence in plain sight, like they did? The whole world knows they have the incriminating evidence in their possession now. I'm' sure the local authorities from Iran and Oman are already deep into their own investigation of what happened, as they continue to deny any involvement.

I suppose you dont have any documentation to back up your theory?

Maybe Iranian video of them defusing the bomb and saving the day?

No?

Lolz