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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: AnakinWayneII
Pompeo is briefed by the same intelligence apparatus that that has attempted to Stage a soft coup against President Trump for the past 18 months.
Riiiiiiight because you have all the intel. Is that something Salon is floating as leaked through Schiff to promote anti American propaganda ? Because that’s what the Left does. How long will it take for people to recognize leftist propaganda as a tool for communism? Don’t remember what happened with Vietnam ?
originally posted by: AnakinWayneII
Blatant RUBBISH is what it is.
Iran has EVERYRYTING to lose.
Iranian coastguard and rescue also helped rescue the 44 sailors stranded.
The Japanese PM is also in Iran right now, allegedly also aiming to mediate talks between the US and Iran.
I cannot understand how Iran can just simply be "blamed" without sufficient evidence.
We cannot just have wild accusations bandied about.
The UK and other nations, including Japan, are still investigating and reviewing the facts.
Pompeo has jumped the gun and I do not know who the hell briefed him but they did a mighty bad job!
originally posted by: richapau
a reply to: pravdaseeker
Pompeo is deliberately jumping to conclusions with 0 evidence to base it on. Weapons of Mass destruction ring any bells.
You have to look at this from Iran's oppressive regime's perspective. They're teetering on the edge of overthrow. Their economy is a dead man walking. The ONLY thing they have going for them is their nuke progress and the only thing they can use to revive their economy right now is war.
Then you add in russia and their ongoing psyops in the US, sowing division. This is a good test to see if they've disabled the US. What I mean is, can the US respond to an actual attack? We know they've succeeded in making nearly half the country automatically oppose anything trump wants to do, no matter how sane and logical. So now they can test to see if they have enough americans distrusting their own government that said government will not be able to respond to an economic attack.
If it's not iran/russia who blew up the tanker, who was it? America? What do we have to gain? We can't afford another war. The public is very worn out on war. The political class can't sell a new war. The intelligence community has lost most of their credibility (rightfully or wrongfully, I couldn't tell you). So what does america have to gain by this attack? No one wants war with iran, these agencies know this.
One last thing, for those who don't think it was Iran, what would it take to convince you that it was?
Russia's ongoing psyops in the USA????? Ooooooo-Kayyyyy careful, you might choke on all that Kool-Aid you are drinking there mate... Again, only my opinion, but the division within the United States is coming from INSIDE the United States. With help from people like George Soros, and the long ago planned social engineering that we see happening now....
It wasn't Russia that made half of America against anything Trump wants to do....it was the leftists in society, supported by a willing and complicit news media. Sorry to say it, but most of this can be laid at the Democrats feet.
Russia doesn't need to do anything, the USA is doing a fantastic job of self destruction from within. The entire "system' is so incredibly corrupt in the USA currently. It has been this way for decades really.
What would it take to convince me it was Iran? A heck of a lot more than some awful blurry video that's for sure.
Still... there must be undeniable proof before one goes off and starts another damn war. A blurry video is piss poor proof.
I think the world was already aware of Irans ability to close of the Straights of Hormuz if they wanted to...Iran didn't need to put some mines on a few ships to prove it. I could block off traffic on my street block if I wanted to.... with a rifle or something like that.... UNTIL the police show up that is. And then the ass whooping would begin.. so no thank you, that is a bad idea. Right?
When it comes to war, guesses or "logic" are a terrible thing to go on. One needs irrefutable proof.
I am betting if the members of ATS were privy to the real truth on many issues, we would all go stark raving insane at the shock from that truth coming out.
originally posted by: thedigirati
a reply to: Sillyolme
Something some of you have missed, removing ordinace is not easy, and if it's active it's even more difficult.
removing ordinace, is easy if you have the "code" or know the wiring. How quickly was the ordinace removed?
was it dissassembled, or was it removed intact? if it was intact, they had the disarm codes, how would they get that information if it was not theirs?
it's a credibility issue, which is subjective at best, "Trump has no crediblity", Amusing, considering the credibility of the accuser.
Just saying 🎪🎪💋😆👍
originally posted by: 0zzymand0s
What would it take to get me to believe the Iranians did it?
After the last 80 years or so, I would need Jesus on a unicorn leading a fleet of flying saucers down main street singing "Mike Pompeo is right about Iran," and then, you know, maybe.