The Liberal Democrats Want To Stop Brexit. Can Someone Help Me With This.

The way I see it (as an outsider from America) the people voted to leave.


Then we have a massive 3 year campaign full of social engineering, media manipulation, massive foot-dragging by Parliament etc, and now want another vote.

And this is what some call. . . "democracy".

a reply to: ScepticScot

It's been 3 Years since the referendum. The idea that we should still go ahead with it just because of a previous vote is fundamentally un democratic. If the majority still want to leave we should leave, if they they don't then we shouldn't. Not really complicated.

It has indeed been 3 years. We have still not left. It is not complicated, but Remainers have made it so.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: ScepticScot

It's been 3 Years since the referendum. The idea that we should still go ahead with it just because of a previous vote is fundamentally un democratic. If the majority still want to leave we should leave, if they they don't then we shouldn't. Not really complicated.

It has indeed been 3 years. We have still not left. It is not complicated, but Remainers have made it so.

What's not complicated?

originally posted by: alldaylong
Do they call for yet another vote until they achieve what their slogan says?

Because the next referendum on this subject will be set so that the UK remains in the EU. The easiest way to do it is to have three questions, as has already been proposed.

A - stay in the EU, and cede our sovereignty to Brussels
B - leave the EU
C - leave the EU with May's deal, or similar

B and C will spilt the leave vote, so A will get it.

Simple really.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Quite so. And we have a Speaker in Parliament who gets to have a crucial role in ruling on procedural votes on Brexit and is meant to be impartial.

Thing is, he had a "Bollox to Brexit" sticker on his car. What a little charmer.

a reply to: ScepticScot

And if in 2019 the vote says stay but 6 months after that, the vote says leave? What then?

a reply to: ScepticScot

What's not complicated?

We voted to leave and we have not left. Hope this helps.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ScepticScot

They want to stop brexit.

Why ? Do they not respect democracy ? The will of the people. Or only when it goes the way THEY want it to.

And you ask me why i am confused.

If the majority people want to stay now do you think we should still leave?

When the majority voted in 2016 to leave, do you think we should now stay ?

You didn't answer the question.

It's 2019 now, if the majority want to stay should we still leave?

I will answer it this way.

Do you think the result of the 2016 Referendum should be declared null and void and tossed into the waste paper bin?

a reply to: alldaylong

They believe that the people did not have all the information and/or they were lied to about what brexit really means for the country.

That's why they want another vote.

I have no idea what the uk citizens knew or didn't know.

Do you think the population made a well informed vote the first time?

a reply to: Finspiracy

To put it simply, in my opinion, the Brexit referendum was held in 2016 and people voted to leave. So now the politicians should respect that voting result

Agreed.

Whatever the consciences politicians should not have the power to stop the will of the people.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

Do you think the population made a well informed vote the first time?

Both the Leave & Remain Campaigns in 2016 told " Porkie Pies "

The result was the outcome of that. One cancelled out the other.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

They believe that the people did not have all the information and/or they were lied to about what brexit really means for the country.

If that was the criteria to be followed it could be used to overturn the result of virtually every general election we have ever had. What? Politicians lying to the electorate? Surely not......

a reply to: scraedtosleep

Either that or they think that too many people who would have voted to stay just assumed there was no need to vote because no one in their right mind would vote to leave, so they didn't bother to vote and thus the exit crowd won because they had more passion.

There are always excuses for losers.

See the American left and Hillary Clinton's loss.

a reply to: alldaylong

The name “liberal Democrats” is almost laughable.

originally posted by: Tartuffe
a reply to: alldaylong

The name “liberal Democrats” is almost laughable.

They have history.

Biggest load of shysters.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ScepticScot

There slogan " Stop Brexit " advocates what the result of a " peoples vote " would be, even before a " peoples vote " would have even been called or the result know if a vote did happen.

So again i ask the question, how do the Liberal Democrats intend to " Stop Brexit " ? Do they use a Crystal Ball ?

Confused from Stratford-upon-Avon.

In fairness, Corbyn has gone from not bothered about it at all to now fairly much insisting there should be some return to 'the people' for a final say, although as per usual with him, the answers he gives tend to be nuanced depending on who is asking and what mileage he thinks he'll get depending on what he says.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ScepticScot

They want to stop brexit.

Why ? Do they not respect democracy ? The will of the people. Or only when it goes the way THEY want it to.

And you ask me why i am confused.

If the majority people want to stay now do you think we should still leave?

When the majority voted in 2016 to leave, do you think we should now stay ?

You didn't answer the question.

It's 2019 now, if the majority want to stay should we still leave?

But you already did vote, and the majority voted to leave.

If only the Brits could think of some historical example, whereby a country fought for (and won) it's independence and freedom from an empire trying to control it's economic and governmental decisions.

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ScepticScot

They want to stop brexit.

Why ? Do they not respect democracy ? The will of the people. Or only when it goes the way THEY want it to.

And you ask me why i am confused.

If the majority people want to stay now do you think we should still leave?

When the majority voted in 2016 to leave, do you think we should now stay ?

You didn't answer the question.

It's 2019 now, if the majority want to stay should we still leave?

I will answer it this way.

Do you think the result of the 2016 Referendum should be declared null and void and tossed into the waste paper bin?

That's a question not an answer.

I think that the only democratic way change the result of a referendum is another referendum.

Are you willing to answer my question now?

originally posted by: watchitburn

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ScepticScot

They want to stop brexit.

Why ? Do they not respect democracy ? The will of the people. Or only when it goes the way THEY want it to.

And you ask me why i am confused.

If the majority people want to stay now do you think we should still leave?

When the majority voted in 2016 to leave, do you think we should now stay ?

You didn't answer the question.

It's 2019 now, if the majority want to stay should we still leave?

But you already did vote, and the majority voted to leave.

In 2016. It's now 2019.