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The Curious Case of Felix Sater

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posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 08:25 PM

Boeing commercial airplanes can, in fact, be flown remotely through the use of independent embedded software and satellite communication. By engaging this system, it prevents pilots or hijacker from flying the plane, and instead uses digital signals that communicate with air traffic control through satellite links for the rest of the flight.

This technology is known as the Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Autopilot System, and the mere existence of this technology creates a new possible answer for a few of the most prominent airline disasters, including 9/ 11 and the Malaysia MH370 mystery.

In the event of a hijacking, the control of the airplane could be taken away from those in the cockpit, be it an actual pilot with a gun to the back of his head, an inexperienced Muslim with 40 hours of flight time in a Cessna, or an experienced pilot just minding his own business and flying a commercial airline.

“The ‘uninterruptible’ autopilot would be activated–either by pilots, by onboard sensors, or even remotely via radio or satellite links by government agencies like the Central Intelligence Agency, if terrorists attempt to gain control of a flight deck.”–John Croft, Flight Global.

The unique feature of the uninterruptible autopilot is that it has its own power supply, so if someone thinks they can shut it down by cutting the power, they would be in for a very big surprise. This feature was by no means accidental, and the separate power supply allows for the automatic landing function.

“To make it fully independent, the system has its own power supply, independent of the aircraft’s circuit breakers. The aircraft remains in automatic mode until after landing, when mechanics or government security operatives are called in to disengage the system.”–John Croft, Flight Global.

There wouldn’t need to be any terrorists onboard an aircraft to make it look like there actually was. All the controller would need to do is engage the autopilot and fly the plane themselves. The pilots would instantly be turned into passengers.

Is this how the planes on 9/ 11 were flown into the World Trade Center towers at such a low altitude at such a high speed? Most pilots with experience with these airplanes that are interviewed about this topic seem to question how the planes could even be flown so low and so fast.

“I flew the two actual aircraft which were involved in 9/ 11; the Fight number 175 and Flight 93, the 757 that allegedly went down in Shanksville and Flight 175 is the aircraft that’s alleged to have hit the South Tower. I don’t believe it’s possible for, like I said, for a terrorist, a so-called terrorist to train on a [Cessna] 172, then jump in a cockpit of a 757-767 class cockpit, and vertical navigate the aircraft, lateral navigate the aircraft, and fly the airplane at speeds exceeding it's designed limit speed by well over 100 knots, make high-speed high-banked turns, exceeding—pulling probably 5, 6, 7 G’s. And the aircraft would literally fall out of the sky. I couldn’t do it and I’m absolutely positive they couldn’t do it.”–Captain Russ Wittenberg, former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot.

Captain Wittenberg has forgotten more about flying than most pilots even know. With over 100 combat missions under his belt, he later became a commercial pilot and flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years. Aircraft flown: Boeing 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777. Captain Wittenberg has 30,000 + total hours flown, so he is very experienced when it comes to airplanes.

posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 09:08 PM

How many times have we heard the phrase “19 Arab hijackers” when discussing the plot of 9/ 11? Basically every single time the media talks about 9/ 11. They never seem to mention that the names of those 19 Arab hijackers never show up on any of the airline passengers manifests, instead they just show us the grainy image of a well-dressed Mohammed Atta breezing through security with his box cutter, the weapon of choice for hijackers and movers, presumably well hidden up his ass.

So the way the story goes is that there were 19 Arab hijackers that were members of Al-Qaeda, and they overpowered the flight crew and took control of the planes and flew them into the buildings, the Pentagon and into a small hole in a field in Pennsylvania.

There are a few problems with this story that created some understandable confusion. The first problem with the passenger lists that have been released is that the identities of several of the alleged hijackers have changed with no explanation. That shouldn’t happen, and if it did happen, who made those changes, and why?

Another problem with the story, and it is sort of a big one, is that at least 10 of these “hijackers” turned up alive. If these guys were able to take control of an airplane, fly it around for an hour without being shot down, fly them into the World Trade Center, blow up the plane, knock down three buildings with two planes, and then come back to life in Saudi Arabia, it is time to throw David Copperfield’s ass out and get these boys a show in Las Vegas because that is really impressive.

“We know that the 15 hijackers who were Saudis, the alleged hijackers, because they were not on those planes–not one of the 19 hijackers, or any Arabs, were on any of the four planes, according to the passenger list, and according to all of the evidence that would be there if they were on the planes, but has not been produced.

“So these 15 Saudi patsies, who were set up to take the blame for 9/ 11, were, in fact, CIA agents. We know this–I had this confirmed directly by a CIA source that these 15 Saudis entered, and repeatedly reentered on these supposedly–they call them employment visas, but there’s a special number for employment visas that are only given to CIA assets as a reward for their service to the Central Intelligence Agency, and this visa allows them to come to the US. Typically they’re paid for their work for the CIA in Saudi Arabia, and then they are given this special kind of visa which is disguised as an employment visa but it’s of a particular type.

“And all 15 of these guys had that visa. That shows that they were, in fact, Central Intelligence Agency agents. Some of them were living with FBI people in California. So these 15 Saudis were not working against the United States government, they were working for the United States government, and they were set up so that Saudi Arabia could be potentially blamed for the September 11 attacks, which were actually perpetrated by Israel and its American assets.”
–Dr. Kevin Barrett, journalist.

"I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down. That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. I didn't see any reason for that building to fall down the way it did, and a lot of guys should be saying the same thing. I don't know what the fear is coming out and talking about it? I don't know, but it's the truth."–Craig Bartmer, New York Police Officer.

World Trade Center Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5: 20 p.m. on 9/ 11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers.

“We originally had thought there was like an internal detonation explosives because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.”–Ed Cachia, New York Firefighter.

WTC7 would be the only steel framed building in history to collapse due to fire. If we are to believe that WTC7 actually did collapse due to fire, then it stands to reason that the procedures for firefighters working on high rise buildings would need to be changed. Also, the engineering standards regarding fire would need to be revamped, and an alternative material would need to be used instead of steel. None of this happened.

Remember the “9/ 11 Commission Report”, or as the rest of the country likes to call it, the “9/ 11 Omission Report”? This pile of flaming dog # didn’t even mention that Building 7 collapsed on September 11th. What, you guys just forgot about a 47-story building that came down at free-fall speed?

Stop for just a moment and think about that. The commission that was basically forced to investigate the largest terrorist attack in American history did not mention that Building 7 collapsed. They just pretended like it never happened. Why? What the hell are they hiding? There is no reasonable explanation for this. It simply doesn’t make any sense at all, if they were conducting an actual investigation, which they obviously were not.

I’m going to pause here again for a second to state that wild yet highly plausible version of the 9/11 Commission Report which states “unpublished” from 2008 had this to state on Bldg. 7, as a refresher. (Link somewhere in the middle of this thread):

Building Seven has never been a focal point of the media or any remarkable investigation. This report contends that there is plenty of evidence suggesting that Building Seven was a primary target, and a small amount of evidence suggesting Building 4 was a target as well. Building Seven housed government offices of the CIA, SEC, IRS and Secret Service, which held documents for thousands of investigations of financial crime. The center also housed the El Dorado group, an interagency money- laundering group of specialists under the control of the US Customs agency. Never explained fires raged for hours on the floors of those offices, and seismic recording show the same burst of energy prior to the building coming down, as was experienced just prior to the collapse of both Towers 1 and 2. There has never been even a plausible explanation for the deliberate destruction of Building Seven. Building Seven was probably the target for United Airlines Flight 93, delayed at the gate for 40 minutes, and downed in Pennsylvania, before it could reach its unknown target. Just a very few minutes after Flight 93 downed, Building 7 was ordered evacuated by parties unknown today. After everyone had evacuated, the fires started!

posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 09:16 PM
a reply to: ucanthandlethetruth

If israel did it, then america aided and abetted

Cant secure and plant that much nanothermite without showing up on a lot of radars

posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 09:47 PM
Still quoting from 2008 unpublished 9/11 Commission Report

The key matter for consideration and inquiry is that, according to John O’Neal, and Sibel Edmonds, the FBI (whose files were in the North Tower) was denied information by the CIA and Secret Service, whose files would have been kept in Building Seven. One has to presume that any files relating to financial investigations of money laundering related to “intelligence” operations and the Russian/Israeli Mafiya around Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Afghanistan were kept in Building Seven or Tower 1. These Towers also held investigative information for the Bank of New money laundering scandal, which will later be shown to be intricately linked to covert oil operations in the aforementioned countries. From another perspective, three of the agencies involved in the Enron investigation were housed in the WTC: SEC, the Justice Department, and the FBI. (With a great deal of certainty this report concludes that Enron was a major money-laundering vehicle for the financial rape of Russia, buying and selling petrochemical contracts from the U.S. subsidiaries of the Russian oligarchs.) Both DoD and HUD had contracts with Enron, and those agencies were reported by Rumsfeld (on September 10, 2001) to be unable to account for some $3.3 trillion in funding. The IRS, in Building 7 was looking at Barrick’s offshore hedge book. What is suggested about the collapse of Building 7 by reports other than FEMA’s report?

Back to the book.

The first mention of WTC7 happened in the early evening of 9/ 11 on the London-based BBC news. 4: 57 pm (Eastern Time United States) BBC studio reporter states:
“We'll leave it there for a moment. We've got some news just coming in actually, that the Solomon Brothers' Building in New York, right in the heart of Manhattan, has also collapsed. This does fit in with a warning from the British Foreign Office a couple of hours ago to British Citizens that there is a real risk, ah let me get the exact words, the British Foreign Office, the foreign part of the British government, said it was a strong risk of further atrocities in the United States, and it does seem as if there now is another one with the Solomon Brothers' Building collapsing. We've got no word yet on causalities. One assumes that the building would have been virtually deserted. Whether this latest collapse is going to influence the President, who we heard about a few moments ago, who was expected to be heading from Nebraska back to Washington, we don't know.”

5: 00 pm (Eastern Time United States) BBC studio reporter states:
“The 47-story Solomon Brothers', situated very close to the World Trade Center, has also just collapsed.”

5: 07 pm (Eastern Time United States) BBC studio reporter states:
“Now more on the latest building collapse in New York, you may have heard a few moments ago we were talking about the Solomon Brothers Building collapsing and indeed it has, and apparently it's only a few hundred yards away from where the World Trade Center Towers were. And it seems that this was not the result of a new attack; it was because the building had been weakened during this morning's attacks. We'll probably find out more about that from our correspondent Jane Standley. Jane, what more can you tell us about the Solomon Brothers' Building and its collapse?” The studio reporter turns in his chair to see the large televisions behind him with his colleague Jane Standley reporting live from New York. She is standing outside from a high vantage point, possibly on a rooftop deck, with a view of the New York City skyline behind her as she begins to confirm to the studio news host that indeed the Solomon Brothers building has collapsed.

There are a few problems with their report that become very clear when watching it again. The first issue is that the Solomon Brothers building hadn’t actually collapsed until 5:20 pm, a full 23 minutes after they announced it. The second problem is that over Jane Standley’s shoulder is the Solomon Brothers Building, otherwise known as WTC7, still standing there as they talk about how it has collapsed. The text scroll on the bottom of the screen reads “The 47-storey Salomon Brothers building close to the World Trade Centre has also collapsed.”

The BBC had actually announced the collapse of a 47-story steel and concrete building, 23 minutes before it actually happened.


How the hell did the BBC know that WTC7 was going to be coming down? The video of the BBC broadcast of that night is easily found online. There was no misinterpretation of their words, it wasn’t an honest mistake, the comments weren’t taken out of context, they screwed up and reported a story before they were supposed to report on it.

posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 09:56 PM

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: ucanthandlethetruth

If israel did it, then america aided and abetted

Cant secure and plant that much nanothermite without showing up on a lot of radars

Hey it’s Dashen! Welcome.

And agreed. I think even more than those two countries had a “helping hand” in 9/11. Either way, anyone with a working brain knows the official 9/11 Report is as ridiculous on its face as the Mueller report on the Russian interference investigation...

The 9/11 unpublished report online from 2008 seems more plausible. Interesting I can’t find official details on it- who requested the follow up report following Nick Berg’s death.
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posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 10:15 PM
I meant to clarify again how interesting and noteworthy it is that Bldg 7 which came down but wasn’t worth even noting in the official 9/11 Commission Report likely would have had data concerning Mogilevich and the Bank of NY money laundering crime, as well as “any files relating to financial investigations of money laundering related to “intelligence” operations and the Russian/Israeli Mafiya around Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Afghanistan” as well as Enron files.

Recall Enron ties to Ivan Boesky who links to Milken and his network, best buds with Leon Black whose Apollo Group partly funded Bayrock. LA TIMES

Thus, the similarities between the Ivan Boesky saga and the Enron story continue to grow. Both reeked of astounding hubris, self-dealing and greed. Boesky, it was argued, ripped off small investors by trading takeover stocks with inside knowledge, and by manipulating securities prices to suit his desires. The same was said of Milken and his brokerage, Drexel Burnham Lambert. Boesky’s testimony was key to the eventual imprisonment of Milken and the bankruptcy of Drexel.

posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 10:29 PM
I will admit to never being much of a 9/11 truther or investigator. Much of the sections in this book dealing with the Octopus control of 9/11 was news to me. Especially this part. I read it all over twice in a pretty confused state.

“I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes because there were no bodies there.”-Wallace Miller, Coroner of Somerset County, Pennsylvania.

He was among the first people to arrive at the alleged Flight 93 crash site on the morning of 9/ 11. The day of September 11th of 2001 was total pandemonium. There was just so much happening, in so many different locations, involving too many people. It is understandable to treat information that was discovered on that chaotic day as unverified, or perhaps classify the information as “this is what we currently know, verification still pending”.

“I got to the actual crash site and could not believe what I saw. Usually, you see much debris, wreckage, and much noise and commotion. This crash was different. There was no wreckage, no bodies, and no noise. It appeared as though there was no passengers or crew on this plane.” –Wallace Miller, Coroner of Somerset County, Pennsylvania.

It is not fair to criticize everyone that misreported information on that day, provided that they later corrected their error and updated their version of the events. It was a confusing and traumatizing day, and the public was starving for information to try and make sense of what had just happened.

“It was really a very unusual site. You almost would’ve thought the passengers had been dropped off somewhere. Even by the standard model of an airplane crash, there was very little, even by those standards.”-Wallace Miller, Coroner of Somerset County, Pennsylvania.

No human remains were found at the crash site, according to a person who knows a thing or two about dead people, the county coroner, Wallace Miller.

“This is the most eerie thing. I have not, to this day, seen a single drop of blood. Not a drop.”-Wallace Miller, Coroner of Somerset County, Pennsylvania.

The coroner said that there were no bodies and no blood at the crash site. None of the 37 people that were aboard that flight were found, no bodies were found, no bones, no blood, no nothing. This is weird, but perhaps this guy is somehow mistaken.

“Several trees were burned badly and there were papers everywhere. We searched. I was told that there were 224 passengers, but later found out that there were actually forty. I was stunned. There was nothing there.”-Faye Hahn, an EMT, responded to the first reports of the crash in Shanksville.

An EMT is saying there were no bodies.

“We were so early that they hadn’t had a chance to set up a barrier for the press. I was able to get right up to the edge of the crater. All I saw was a crater filled with small, charred plane parts. There were no suitcases, no recognizable plane parts, no body parts.”-Jon Meyer, reporter, WJAC-TV, regarding the plane crash in Shanksville. Now a reporter is also saying there were no bodies.

“We arrived in the immediate area and walked up to the crater and the burning woods. My first thought was, ‘Where is the plane?’ Because most of what I saw was this honeycomb looking stuff, which I believe is insulation or something like that. I was not seeing anything that was distinguishable either as human remains or aircraft debris.”–Wells Morrison, FBI agent. An FBI agent is confirming that he did not see any bodies.

What is going on here?

"It didn't look like a plane crash because there was nothing that looked like a plane. I [have] never seen anything like it. Just like a big pile of charcoal."-Homer Barron.

A pile of charcoal is a weird description, but once again, no mention of bodies.

"I was looking for anything that said tail, wing, plane, metal. There was nothing."-photographer Scott Spangler. How could a plane crash in a field not leave parts of the wings or tail? No metal either? "I was amazed because it did not, in any way, shape, or form, look like a plane crash."-Patrick Madigan, Commander of the Somerset barracks, Pennsylvania State Police.

Now we have a police commander saying that there wasn’t a plane in this crash.

"Where is this plane? And where are the people? Thousands of tiny pieces scattered around--bits of metal, insulation, wiring--but no fuselage, no wings, only a smoking crater and charred earth."-Assistant Fire Chief Rick King, driver of the first fire truck to reach the site.

We can add an Assistant Fire Chief to the list of other professionals stating that there was not a plane in this plane crash. There were also no people in this non-plane plane crash.

"… like a trash heap, nothing but tiny pieces of debris. It's just littered with small pieces."-Frank Monaco, Pennsylvania State Police. Another police officer is telling us that the Flight 93 plane crash was missing people.

"There were pieces of debris, small pieces of debris laying everywhere, and there were a lot of papers blowing around, and the ground was on fire. The debris was very, very small. There was actually nothing to tell you that that was an aircraft. Had you not known that that was an aircraft crash, you would've looked at that and you would've said something happened here, but I don't know what."-Lyle Szupinka, Area Commander, Pennsylvania State Police.

Yet another police officer is saying that there was no plane in this plane crash.

"There was no way. The hole wasn't big enough and there was nothing there."-John Maslak.

Maybe the reason why everybody on the scene in Shanksville said that it didn’t look like a plane crash is that there wasn’t a plane crash. If this wasn’t a plane crash, then what made the hole in the ground? Where is Flight 93 then? We were told that there were four planes that were hijacked and that the passengers of Flight 93 rose up and stormed the cockpit, then put the plane down in Shanksville before it was used to fly into the White House.

Here we have at least 11 different people contradicting the official story about the crash of Flight 93 in Shanksville. These witnesses included police officers, a Fire Chief, an FBI agent, a reporter, a professional photographer, an EMT, and the county coroner. They all said there were no bodies in the wreckage. They said there were no airplane parts. No sign of passenger luggage or seats. The official story about the crash of Flight 93 in Shanksville is a lie.

posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 11:50 PM
This is the most #ing depressing research, I swear.

So, the book deep dives into a couple specific a$$holes who were “lucky” enough to be absent or running late on 9/11. L. Paul Bremer, Larry Silverstein, and Frank Lowy.

I’ll summarize.

- worked at the insurance agency Marsh & McLennan
- was also considered to be a terrorist expert from his brief time as the chairman of the Congressional National Commission on Terrorism
- miraculously decided to skip work and go on MSNBC to let the world know that Osama bin Laden was behind the attacks. How Bremer “knew” OBL was behind the attacks within a matter of minutes is unclear
- American Airlines Flight 11 hit the North Tower directly in Marsh & McLennan’s office, killing 295 out of the 296 people that worked there, minus Bremer
- member of Skull & Bones at Yale
- had previously worked for Komatsu & Dresser, a company that patented a Nano-thermite detonation device that could “demolish a concrete structure at high efficiency”
- Bremer later became the Iraq occupation governor, which led to the destruction of Iraq, even though he had no experience in the region, except for the two-week crash course in Iraq that he went through before being sent to Baghdad

- In an interview a few months after 9/ 11, Silverstein admitted to ordering the demolition of World Trade Center 7 at 5: 23 pm on September 11th, 2001. He was the owner of the World Trade Center complex
- a 1991 court case regarding who was liable for costs associated with asbestos removal at WTC dragged on for years but finally on May 14, 2001, the case ruled against Port Authority in the case and held them, not the insurance company, responsible for the estimated 500 million dollars to a billion dollars it would cost for the cleanup

“Because of the asbestos health risks, and their size, the Twin Towers couldn’t be demolished. And because of the asbestos, they couldn’t be upgraded. And disassembling them floor by floor would have run into the double-digit billions of dollars.”

- Silverstein Properties “bought the 99-lease on buildings that were filled with asbestos, a mere 49 days before the terrorist attacks, but lucky for him he had the foresight to insured them specifically against terrorism. The Twin Towers were a money pit because it would be impossible to remove the asbestos due to the high costs, not to mention, you couldn’t hide the fact that they had those issues because it was common knowledge to many New Yorkers.”

In case you were wondering, Larry Silverstein is alive today because he, coincidentally, didn’t show up for his strict daily routine of breakfast at Window on the World, followed by heading down to his office. He explained that he had a dermatologist appointment that morning that luckily kept him away from his building. Wow, what are the chances of that happening? Larry Silverstein’s two children, Roger and Lisa, also worked in the towers, but how fortunate for them that they too were “running late” and were not in the building when it collapsed. Larry’s publicist, Howard Rubinstein, was also “running late” that day, but it is probably just another coincidence.

- owner of the Westfield Malls
- partnered with Silverstein on WTC project

So let’s see if we have got this right, Larry Silverstein and Frank Lowy, two very smart and successful commercial real estate developers, bought the #tiest buildings in New York that were half occupied and filled with asbestos. A couple of weeks later, these money pits miraculously came down, for free, and their insurance policies made these two guys billions of dollars?

This is too big of a coincidence.

posted on Aug, 4 2019 @ 01:06 AM
I’m up late again skimming through all of this thread, looking at old notes, scratching my head, and marveling over how absolutely nutso this entire web has become and how one could deep dive into at least four aspects of this and perhaps get nowhere closer to any form of truth.

One of the problems often with research of this magnitude is attempting not to go too often into the weeds and continue to attempt to wade back up to the 10,000 ft view. I’ve often confused myself throughout this ordeal.

The fact not much is known regarding Mogilevich and what is known is weird.
He’s been indicted once, and either no country or agency wants to take him on, or he’s that good at distancing himself from his crimes he’s evaded their being able to create enough compelling evidence, or he’s a ghost, a myth, a legend, used by either the US or Israel, for who knows what purpose.

Were these alleged Sater father and Sater ties to Mogilevich sourced from Deep Capture years ago, a website bankrolled by Patrick Byrne, now showing up oddly in the Trump-Muh-Russia story as linked to Maria Butina and informing to the FBI, put out there for a specific purpose? If so, what?

If Sater was an asset used for agencies under Octopus control, how should this change the lens of our perspective? Considering he was working closely with Trump for many years all while Trump is seeming to use or at least utilize Sater’s Bayrock company to get close to some murky figures and companies. While still distancing himself enough.

Need to look into who funded Trump show The Apprentice which really helped shape his image into one that was more presidential and successful businessman willing to make the hard calls? Need to also frame those dates/years against when Trump and Sater connect in the 2000s.

Sater only recently accused Glenn Simpson of perjury in Simpson’s claim of his alleged ties to Mogilevich, and the Glenn Simpson tie goes not just to the dossier which threw Trump under the bus, and to the Magnitsky Act mess with Bill Browder and other Russian players, but also to his wife and her father back to the PROMIS software/money laundering madness which connects to names also in the 9/11 report and linked to today’s events - all Octopus-
so how was Sater used as an asset all this time?

Did his intel on certain things go nowhere? The bin Laden’s phone numbers didn’t stop 9/11 and he was driving into work that morning. He said that drove him and his FBI handlers to go to work overtime on hunting Al Qaeda. But it kinda seems like the al Qaeda stuff isn’t nearly as bad as the real truth of 9/11, if we only truly knew.
Did he get fed up?
Did he feed any info from Ablyazov regarding the U1 deal and the goal of Russia with Uranium, and then see an Obama FBI administration under Octopus control do nothing?

How to even begin to grasp the twisted saga which is the UrAsia Energy deal of ‘05, same year Kazakh President Nazarbayev made Ablyazov BTA Bank Chairman, Arcanum Intelligence firm founded by Ron Wahid ‘06, Sater meeting Khrapunovs, uranium bubble ‘07 along with U1 reverse merger, Sater meeting Ablyazovs, global financial crisis ‘08, U1Kazakh scandal jails few And Ablyazov-Khrapunovs flee Kazakh ‘09 amidst money laundering and embezzlement charges, all same year ‘09 Ablyazov meets Wahid of Arcanum but states he didn’t hire Arcanum while BTA Bank hires Arcanum, who ends up hiring Litco, Sater’s company at unknown year, but by 2019 accusing Sater in lawsuit of laundering stolen money for those accused? HOW?

Wish we knew which FBI agent tied to Sater’s work as an asset who went to work for Trumps security team. That would be interesting to know.

These things and more just irk my brain late at night.

My ADHD will many times pull me out of the boredom of quoting from these relevant books to just try to get those on this thread discussing all this.
edit on 8/4/2019 by ucanthandlethetruth because: Typo

posted on Aug, 4 2019 @ 01:22 AM
I at the very least expected to find a rag reporting the craziness of these most recent events:

1. Media consistently and vehemently tying Trump to Sater to Mogilevich, a purported Russian “boss of bosses” and terrible sounding guy for years
2. The lawyer who added this detail to a Sater court-filed document in the court case which has been used as the original source (Supreme Court John Doe case) admittedly sourced this from Deep Capture website, who provides no evidence
3. Sater accuses Simpson of Fusion GPS of perjury to Washington reporters and they don’t much seem to care even though his company paid for the dossier
4. A further focus on Simpson in all this

But nope. Nada. Nobody reporting how crazy all this is to the public.
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edit on 8/4/2019 by ucanthandlethetruth because: Typo and added a bit more clarification

posted on Aug, 4 2019 @ 02:23 AM
What - to be perfectly honest - keeps me up at night is the cold reality everyone on ATS can actually agree to, which is that all politicians are psychopaths. And criminals. And I do think deep down I wanted/expected Sater to be this hidden white knight but he’s in an interview saying he was good at being an asset and “they key to opening a hundred different doors” and as the Judge stated Sater did “a lot of interesting and dangerous things”, he said he “thinks like a criminal” so he could easily speak their language and assumably trap them up. This, per him, made him a good asset.

Should I wonder if he’s also a danger-junkie criminal informant psychopath?

My gut feeling is he meant it when he said in the Berkeley interview to the journalism students that he loves the country, not the government. That he didn’t do it for the government. I found that statement of his interesting, but maybe in some cases I’m over analyzing.

posted on Aug, 4 2019 @ 10:21 AM
Fantastic thread and great digging!

posted on Aug, 4 2019 @ 02:57 PM
Back to the book.

The United States government still refuses to release its input data on the collapse of WTC7 for independent scientific peer review, due to “reasons of public safety”. Guess what? This is not how innocent parties behave. According to the federal government, there is some strange anomaly that magically turns perfectly good buildings into a fine dust in a matter of seconds, don’t you think that is beneficial for “public safety” to figure out what is causing this? Or is there something that they don’t want the public to discover about why these buildings came down?

Thank you for looking out for our safety, we all feel much better now.

“Now what happens to a society when we all share a secret, but nobody can talk about it? The fact is that the post-9/ 11 society is characterized by lies and fear. This time they #ed up. When you see Building 7 it is obvious, it is so open for everyone ready to see what they see, this time they went too far. We are talking about the fundamental laws of physics.

We are talking about Sir Isaac Newton’s Laws of Motion, and according to these this [official 9/ 11 WTC7 collapse story] is impossible, unless you have applied some force to make the building fall. Gravity cannot do that because when a building is in free fall, all of the energy of the building is going into accelerating the building down. There is no energy left for breaking thousands of steel beams and girders. This is completely basic physics.

There is no way Building 7 could be brought down without application of explosives unless you are ready to violate Sir Isaac Newton’s Lows of Motion, and this hasn’t happened since 1687 yet. So if you claim the official story you are talking about miracles, because a miracle is a violation of the laws of nature, and I don’t believe that.”
-Niels Harrit, Emeritus Professor of Chemistry, Copenhagen University. Professor Harrit was a witness in ‘9/ 11 Truth vs. BBC Court Case’.

It seems that people living outside of the United States have a much easier time seeing through the media fog that obscures the truth about this topic, for obvious reasons. The disinformation campaign through the mainstream media in America is pervasive and unrelenting, so it shouldn’t come as much of a surprise that the non-Americans have a different view of the chain of events that happened on that day.

“The 9/ 11 attacks were a global state terror operation permitted by the administration of the USA, which had foreknowledge of the operation, yet remained intentionally unresponsive in order to make war against Afghanistan and Iraq. To put it briefly, the 9/ 11 events were an instance of the strategy of tension enacted by political and economic powers in the USA to seek advantage for the oil and arms industries.”–Judge Ferdinando Imposimato, Honorary President, Italian Supreme Court, and former legal consultant to the United Nations.

In the controlled demolition industry, there are few people more respected than Danny Jowenko, the owner of Jowenko Explosieve Demolitie, a controlled demolitions company headquartered in the Netherlands. With over 30 years of building demolition experience, he was asked to contribute to a documentary about buildings, but he was not told that the building in question was in New York City and that the footage he would be shown was from September 11th.

In September 2006, Jowenko was interviewed by a Dutch filmmaker, who presented him with footage of the destruction of a building and asked his opinion on it. After a couple of minutes, Jowenko concluded that this particular building was clearly brought down as the result of a controlled demolition. "This is professional work, without any doubt," he said, as translated from Flemish to English subtitles.

The filmmaker then informed Jowenko that this was World Trade Center 7 and that it came down the afternoon of September 11th, 2001. The look on his face pretty much said it all, however, he did offer up a hopeful “Are you sure it was the 11th? That can't be.” Jowenko sat there in stunned disbelief.

After that encounter, Jowenko went on to become very vocal about the demolition of all three of the New York buildings that came down on 9/ 11, even joining advocacy groups. Danny Jowenko was killed in a one-car accident in which he hit a tree. Make of that what you will.

“All the intelligence services of America and Europe know full well that the disastrous attack (of 9/ 11) has been planned and realized from the Mossad, with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic countries and in order to induce the Western Powers to take part in Iraq and Afghanistan.”-Francesco Cossiga, former Italian President. He exposed Operation Gladio several decades ago, and he has been vocal about America’s role in the 9/ 11 attacks.

Just in time for the 15 year anniversary of the 9/ 11 attacks, a new forensic investigation into the collapse of the three World Trade Center towers on 9/ 11 was published in Europhysics News, a highly respected European physics magazine.

The article was titled: 15 Years Later: On The Physics Of High Rise Building Collapses, and the conclusion of their study directly contradicts the official story of 9/ 11, which really isn’t much of a surprise. The four scientists conclude that not only was WTC 7 brought down in a controlled demolition, but WTC 1 and 2 were as well, as many people close to the subject had suspected.

“It bears repeating that fires have never caused the total collapse of a steel-framed high-rise before or since 9/ 11. Did we witness an unprecedented event three separate times on September 11, 2001? The NIST reports, which attempted to support that unlikely conclusion, fail to persuade a growing number of architects, engineers, and scientists. Instead, the evidence points overwhelmingly to the conclusion that all three buildings were destroyed by controlled demolition. Given the far-reaching implications, it is morally imperative that this hypothesis is the subject of a truly scientific and impartial investigation by responsible authorities.” -Steven Jones, former professor of Physics, Brigham Young University.

posted on Aug, 4 2019 @ 03:56 PM
The author states if we can grasp the Octopus control of 9/11 in conjunction with the media narrative control, it will show starkly what the planet is up against, because while America was affected by 9/11, the Octopus is affecting the whole world.

So while it may be overkill to include a lot of these 9/11 book excerpts in this Sater thread, it’s for this reason.

Consider it: most people with a functioning and analytical brain easily see the holes and inconsistencies in the 9/11 Report and official narrative, yet most are still not very vocal about not buying into it. Names like truther, conspiracy theorist, and tin foil hat claims tend to shut people up. There’s the Octopus control, too. Just by applying over decades those consistently negative connotations associated with these terms. And for what? Asking questions and wanting to clarify inconsistencies like most rational people? They must be crazy.


Yes I’m in cornfield country in Ohio but literally less than 15 minutes from the Oregon District area of the Dayton mass shooting last night. I’m a bit distracted today and fighting a lot of emotions. But I hope to get back to this tonight after I get back from community prayer vigil.

posted on Aug, 4 2019 @ 09:34 PM
Well, it was a really crappy weekend for our country. Anyone on the thread from El Paso, I know how you feel. Dayton area just battled 14 tornadoes Memorial Day weekend and what felt like just weeks later, our community again grieves.

I’m so paranoid from my research now on the Octopus imagining this giant tentacled intelligent villain guiding all the other psychopaths who seem to be running the world and then corrupting, blackmailing, or killing anyone who gets in their way, I found myself questioning the timing of these back-to-back horrific mass shootings. Had to shake it off and tell myself not to be ridiculous.

A double-hit sure adds fuel to the fire to push for future gun buybacks. My paranoia sees them waiting until they have the middle class voters begging and clamoring for them to DO SOMETHING. Anything. So when I’m a person who’s read on MK ULTRA and realizes when the programs were “shut down” they only went private. The combination of drugs and hypnosis on mental patients inducing mind control is tech that was unleashed from Pandora’s Box of Evil but we went from Nazi mind control research to America doing it to now who knows who doing it. Controlling minds.

No, I’m not suggesting anything here. I’m just venting. It’s been an emotional day. Time to get back to work on the thread.

posted on Aug, 4 2019 @ 10:41 PM

“We are dealing with a criminal undertaking at a global level, and there is an ongoing war, it is led by the United States, it may be carried out by a number of proxy countries, which are obeying orders from Washington. The global war on terrorism is a US undertaking, which is fake, it’s based on fake premises. It tells us that somehow America and the Western world are going after a fictitious enemy, the Islamic state when in fact, the Islamic state is fully supported and financed by the Western military alliance and America’s allies in the Persian Gulf. They say Muslims are terrorists, but it just so happens that terrorists are made in America. They’re not the product of Muslim society, and that should be abundantly clear to everyone on this floor. The global war on terrorism is a fabrication, a big lie and a crime against humanity.”–Dr. Michel Choissudovsky, Canadian economist & Ottawa’s Professor of Economics.

The author rolled through a lot of other events after 9/11 and outlined oddities on many which have spurned their own conspiracy theories. I skipped over including these details from the book because my guess is each have their own ATS threads for anyone who wants to know more, then concluded with this:

However, when you learn that drills were being run the same time as the 9/ 11 attacks, the 7/ 7 London bombing, the Oklahoma City bombing, the Madrid bombing, the Norway Oslo attacks, the Sandy Hook shooting, the Aurora movie theater shooting, and the Boston bombing, you must understand that this is not a coincidence.

This is a pattern.

As you can imagine, this book goes on to other forms of the tentacles controls, the next being Physical Control.
Goes into ‘Censored, Surveilled, Watch-Listed & Jailed’ and the new technocratic era of physical control in many ways we willfully submit to through carrying physical A.I. smartphones every day using Siri or Google tracking everything we do, watch, play, text, say, go, buy, etc.

“Big Brother in the form of an increasingly powerful government and in an increasingly powerful private sector will pile the records high with reasons why privacy should give way to national security, to law and order, to the efficiency of operation, to scientific advancement and the like.”—William O. Douglas, former U. S. Supreme Court Justice.

Add this to the book of odd things Obama stated while President.

“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”–American President, Barack Obama.

The concept of parole is not a bad one on the surface, but those that have had to bend their entire world just to make sure they don’t break any of the additional rules of their parole will tell you that the system of parole is designed to make sure that the offender comes back to prison. Early release is the bait that they use to entice you to bite on accepting parole, but once you do, it is almost impossible for a person to comply with all of the additional rules, restrictions, terms, and conditions. Parole is the feedback loop that keeps people coming back to prison over and over. So why would the government have any reason to install a revolving door at the entrance to the American prison system? “The concept of parole is not a bad one on the surface, but those that have had to bend their entire world just to make sure they don’t break any of the additional rules of their parole will tell you that the system of parole is designed to make sure that the offender comes back to prison. Early release is the bait that they use to entice you to bite on accepting parole, but once you do, it is almost impossible for a person to comply with all of the additional rules, restrictions, terms, and conditions. Parole is the feedback loop that keeps people coming back to prison over and over. So why would the government have any reason to install a revolving door at the entrance to the American prison system?

“Poor people, especially those of color, are worth nothing to corporations and private contractors if they are on the street. In jail and prisons, however, they can each generate corporate revenues of $ 30,000 to $ 40,000 a year.”-Chris Hedges, author, and journalist.Poor people, especially those of color, are worth nothing to corporations and private contractors if they are on the street. In jail and prisons, however, they can each generate corporate revenues of $ 30,000 to $ 40,000 a year.”-Chris Hedges, author, and journalist.

When I read this part about parole, it got me thinking again about Sater’s parole in Sept 1995 after he’d only served minimum sentence, on parole one would think for at least a year? So how does he get to Russia, working on a “telecom company” assisting the CIA, hanging out in Russia men’s bath houses with the businessmen and former KGB who frequented them, and per Sater, getting recruited by the DIA. So the CIA somehow gets Sater on their radar, and approves his going to Russia when he would have been on parole.

The emergence of crack coc aine coincides with the rise of private prisons, and that is no accident. Some of these prisons put inmates to work on a variety of things and are paid slave wages, so the prison owners benefit from this because their labor costs are obviously very low.

The “Prison Industrial Complex” costs the American taxpayer around $ 75 billion a year, and it has the highest incarceration rate in the world. According to the Sentencing Project, the prison incarceration rate has increased by 500% over the last four decades, with the prison population exploding by over 800%.

... dozens of states have legalized the contracting of prison labor to corporations, which include such names as IMB, Boeing, Motorola, Microsoft, AT& T, Wireless, and Dell. Some of these inmates are getting approximately $ 2/ hour. What a bargain.

“The major world powers, new and old, also face a novel reality: while the lethality of their military might is greater than ever, their capacity to impose control over the politically awakened masses of the world is at a historic low.

To put it bluntly: in earlier times, it was easier to control one million people than to physically kill one million people; today, it is infinitely easier to kill one million people than to control one million people.”
-Zbigniew Brzezinski, Co-Founder, Trilateral Commission.

posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 12:48 AM
Sorry, I really can't handle quoting more from books tonight, so for a change of pace here's the link to Danny Casolaro's archived notes and files which appear to have been uploaded there around four years ago in 2015.
Danny highlighted this regarding PROMIS (direct link to image)

The choice of PROMIS had the consequence of foreclosing the consideration of alternative case management information system designs. About the time PROMIS was being prepared for transfer, DALITE began operation. Yet no effort was made to determine whether it might provide a better prototype for diffusion than PROMIS. Such a study might have led to adoption of the mini-computer concept that has contributed to the greater success of DALITE in producing logistical support information.

His notes are interesting. There's an odd reference to "$100,000 caskets" with no other details. (bottom left corner, handwritten notes) Link There is also a reference on the opposite facing page to a book and something I can't quite make out, computer viruses and "white collar"

On this page of his notes link there is reference to Bank of Nova Scotia, and a patent, and names Bob Nichols, who was the guy the author of Last Circle interviewed who showed the "original" alleged JFK assassination video. Robert Nichols was the full name. There's a note regarding a patent. (?) He wrote "Honeywell" and Minneapolis, St. Paul for unknown reasons. His notes on the other page (first link) had a reference to possibly the software being rewritten, in the public domain? These notes would have been prior to this death from 1990-91 timeframe. There's a note "NIR - alive & living in Geneva. Scheduled to testify in ..." (I can't make it out) but I think it may be Irangate? Was there an Irangate on the Iran-Contra stuff? He also wrote on this page "talked with Bush at King David Hotel in 1986"

Pages 7 & 8 get more interesting with cryptic references to "Bush" and "forgiveness of U.S. loan. Recently." There's also software names listed of "Data Plus" and "PROMIS Plus" and writing "To EGYPT" as well as the name Judy Blakely and Beaverton, Oregon. His writing gets excited on p.8 and it's harder to grasp what he was excited about but feel free to take a look and let me know your opinion. Something about Bermuda, files not being closed and "Wilmington Delaware!" with reference to what appears to be a referenced court case, which I think is Avacus Partners vs. Ontex and he wrote "1987 infotechnology" underlining Ontex, then writing Wow and info underneath it, underlining both of those. He referenced Wackenhut's 1986 Annual Report as well as a "Titania Insurance" and an undecipherable city name in Bermuda. He also wrote a name which may be Wallace Sellars, or something close to it.

On pages 9 & 10, there's a lot. Nothing that jumps out at me or that I understand enough to note, but it's probably noteworthy he's jumping from PROMIS software to Wackenhut and Indian reservations to cryptic notes about Lutheran Immigration, Lutheran Social Services, California Medical Center, and Lutheran Hospital Society. There are also other names and numbers including a Sam Tibbetts with a Tibbetts & Assoc. law firm. I should also make note of on the top of p.9 he's written what appears to be France, South Korea, and Egypt as well as Zurich in an area close to where he's written Nichols' name again, along with two other unknown names.

Appears his first contact with Mr. Tibbetts was at his home on 1/22/1991. He was found dead in the bathtub of the motel less than seven months later. Allegedly of suicide, though his autopsy suggests to take his own life while having not even finished his book he was (according to friends and family) so excited to get out there and published, slashed his wrists at least ten times on both arms, even slicing through his tendon.

On p.12 he's made note of "corruption inside the Justice Dept" but the beginning portion is blocked by a post-it note laid on top. There's also an odd passage he wrote here

For info on Bear Cat Post, Bill suggested calling Capt. Red McDaniel at American Defense Institute; McDaniel was cellmate to Sen. McCain in Vietnam POW - said that Ross Perot had mentioned meeting E.B. in about 1970 - and said he was probably just as sleazy now as he was then.

Who is E.B.? What did any of this have to do with Ross Perot? How did McDaniel, Ross Perot and Vietnam POW leap to this reference to an "E.B." being "sleazy"?

There is also a note about a Nick Kulibaba of MI5 with a strange red dot tattoo.
No clue.

On p.13 he wrote a note about identifying all the places in the U.S. and foreign governments to have PROMIS software in addition to the CIA and then asked himself

- What part of the CIA?
- What is it called?
- Datapoint?
- Glass Rod?
- Promis Plus?

This information also seems to have come to Danny from Bob Nichols... assuming that's why he wrote his name and number underneath the information but it may not be the reason. First time I've heard the phrase "Glass Rod" in regards to this software.

In the next page, there's more of interest to him he makes notes on but we don't know why. He makes a note regarding GMT in DC being a CIA company and then wrote "Odom brought McFarlane's activities [indecipherable] Israelis to the attention of White House"

Pages 21 & 22 are interesting if you want to take a look
He's noted Brazil on previous pages and notes "Ted Stevens plane" to the side of other details regarding Anthony Motley Langhorne, and Brazilian Petroleum Industry, then another indecipherable couple phrases followed by "were only two survivors of Alaskan plane crash." He makes a note about Ambassador to Brazil and "left with incoming administration to set up L.A. Motley & Assoc.

The next part I think is worth noting is a reference to mining. ("Mining companies" had also been written on a previous page.) Of course it made me think of Uranium One and the original Urasia Energy deal... But on p.37 here he wrote "Money Drugs Guns" and then "Fire Triangle" and then "10 years ago cash was king, but it is heavy" and there's also small phrases like "it's now going to metal" and "if you own a mine" with a listing of several countries named like Venezuela, Panama (I think), Vegas, Brazil, Costa Rica, and maybe Nicaragua. Hard to make out.

There's just a few pages of his notes left. I'll wrap them up tomorrow and include a couple other things from his archive and then get back to finishing that Octopus Control book.

posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 01:27 AM
a reply to: ucanthandlethetruth

I've got a 50" LED HDTV as my computer monitor and can view these fairly clearly. Below are my interpretations of the things you were unsure of.


There is also a reference on the opposite facing page to a book and something I can't quite make out, computer viruses and "white collar"

Book recently published re 'Livermore' undecipherable city name in Bermuda.

Hamilton, Bermuda

He also wrote a name which may be Wallace Sellars, or something close to it.

Wallace O. Sellars

where he's written Nichols' name again, along with two other unknown names.

Alex Morehead - 15th & M(?) McManus(?)
Lindsey - Devereaux

"Odom brought McFarlane's activities [indecipherable] Israelis to the attention of White House"

"Odom brought McFarlane's activities w/ Israelis to the attention of White House"

...indecipherable couple phrases followed by "were only two survivors of Alaskan plane crash."

Motley & Stevens were...

Venezuela, Panama (I think), Vegas, Brazil, Costa Rica, and maybe Nicaragua. Hard to make out.



Let me know if there are other sections you'd like clarification on.
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posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 10:57 AM

originally posted by: ucanthandlethetruth

So when I’m a person who’s read on MK ULTRA and realizes when the programs were “shut down” they only went private. The combination of drugs and hypnosis on mental patients inducing mind control is tech that was unleashed from Pandora’s Box of Evil but we went from Nazi mind control research to America doing it to now who knows who doing it. Controlling minds.

Yeah. 1947 was such a seminal year to kick off all of this. The national security state and the CIA is ushered in. Pretty soon Allen & Foster Dulles have solidified the international crime ring to include Nazi's. Operation Paperclip is in full swing. Then regime changes, drug trade, cointelpro, mind-control, and the assassination/coup of JFK.

Of course mk-ultra never stopped. And it seems obvious that hypnotism was what they really learned a lot about which is why they wanted to focus on drugs during the Church Committee and claim they didn't learn much useful.

How does this happen? I personally have to have Satan in the mix to explain it---but in more earthly terms here's a partial clue...when he retired in 1966, after 14 years with the CIA, George Hunter White wrote a startling farewell letter to Sid Gottlieb, in which he reminisced about his Midnight Climax work:

“I was a very minor missionary, actually a heretic, but I toiled wholeheartedly in the vineyards because it was fun, fun, fun. Where else could a red-blooded American boy lie, kill, cheat, steal, rape and pillage with the sanction and blessing of the all-highest?”

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posted on Aug, 7 2019 @ 03:51 PM
JAC, thank you! That’s awesome
I was looking on a smaller laptop monitor and struggling.

Do you see any other details you think I should include that you can make out easier?

Especially where that court case is mentioned and he underlined wow and info like he needed to get that info.

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