UNPLANNED-Abby Johnson Interview

a reply to: Sookiechacha

You said what you think it's not, but that doesn't say what you think it is.

a reply to: ketsuko

And you haven't either. IS abortion murder?

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

I watched this movie. It was heart-breaking. For too long has the left "dehumanized" the unborn, and now even newborns are dehumanized. The movie shows some of the many lies that Planned Parenthood, and their supporters, are willing to make to keep their "business" of abortion ongoing. That's what PP is, a business. Apart from being the legacy from a radical nazi, Margaret Sanger, and the legacy of the nazis themselves on "eugenics."

Unfortunately too many people in the left have been brainwashed for decades and would never admit the truth. Heck, even in these forums despite the fact that we have had undercover videos of high level officials in PP trying to "haggle" about the price of "baby parts" we have had many in the left deny these facts.

originally posted by: musicismagic
A woman who wants/needs to abort an unborn child is her business and no one else needs to get involved in such matters.

You are talking about the life of another human being. It has been shown several times how the left continues to increase the time on when they want "abortion." Now New York has legalized the killing of newborns. What is a fetus which has survived abortion and has been born alive if not a "newborn?"

Not to mention the FACT that New York even made it LEGAL for the murder of the unborn even if the mother and father want the child...

If someone beats a pregnant woman and she survives but her unborn child dies, only the attack on the woman is seen as a crime in New York. Even if the mother and father wanted the child...

No longer is the life of the unborn up to the day they are to be born seen as "a human being", but even those children that survive abortions and are born alive/aka newborns are dehumanized in demonrat states like New York.

The next step is even more radical, and will include "after-birth abortions," or the legal infanticide of any newborn child for any reason the parents see fit.

originally posted by: musicismagic

It still comes down to the woman carrying the unborn. I stick with my guns, its no ones business but the woman. People have become too soft these days.

The unborn today, and for a long time, have been what slaves were back when democrats were in full support of slavery and saw slaves not as other humans, but as properties that belonged to them and they could do with "such property" as they saw fit...

BTW...wanting to defend another innocent human life is not "being too soft..."

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Now New York has legalized the killing of newborns.

Nope. False. Wrong.

Not to mention the FACT that New York even made it LEGAL for the murder of the unborn even if the mother and father want the child...

Nope. False. Wrong.

You lose credibility for you and your cause when you hyperbolically misrepresent the facts.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Geesh, Some folks sure know how to drag out a pointless area of contention for want of proving what exactly.? That in the end, neither you nor Ketsuko can stop this miserable cycle of birth, disease, old age, and death....? For all your advances and "saving" - there is still nothing gained in the form of bodily preservation. The vehicle dies, regardless of who wins this debate. Therefore, it's nonsense to speculate on what is already widely known and well established. Those who are arguing are in it for one of three things: Profit, Punishment, or Perfection.

Sookie - it's murder. There. I said it. All meat is murder. / Now, attack.

In the meantime let us disavow this notion of profit being contained in abortion. Financial profit, scientific profit, quality of life profit... It's absurd, as already established.

Likewise, let us stop this insistence that punishment is our responsibility to dish out to women we'll never know. No woman is stopping any behavior because men (and other women) may disagree. That includes decisions made as victims of abuse (or worse) and also includes those who are willfully stretching the limits of a lawful state system, and lastly those who are simply acting on the stimulation and gratification of their bodily senses. -- They will cease their behaviors only after coming to a platform of advancement which offers true perfection of mind, intelligence, and soul. Therefore...

Instead, let us try to perfect our own attitude of Spirit. In our communication, in our compassion, and in our camaraderie, by acknowledging that the higher hand we answer to is the One who we are committing the grossest injustice before (when we advocate on behalf of profit and punishment), and in who's Supreme Perfection our attempts at controlling The Absolute Truth are a woeful lie.

a reply to: MrAlphabetman

Sookie - it's murder. There. I said it. All meat is murder. / Now, attack.

Such is the reality of this world, where all life introduced is destined to become food. Eat or/and be eaten, it's destiny and the only guarantee this existence provides.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

Nope. False. Wrong.

Keep lying... Meanwhile the truth is "if a baby survives abortion and the baby is born alive, the law in New York allows for the "healthcare professional" to let the newborn die... The New York law also allows for not doctor to have to be present in case the "newborn" survives the abortion and can be let to die by not doing anything to save the newborn...

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

Nope. False. Wrong.

New York has taken off from it's laws the crime of murder of the unborn...

Here is that part of the law "you" claimed doesn't say so...

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

You lose credibility for you and your cause when you hyperbolically misrepresent the facts.

Naa, it is you who is losing credibility when you keep denying the facts behind these cruel laws New York, and other demonrat states passed and democrats/liberals like yourself are celebrating like it was Christmas...

Here is the new law in New York for those interested in reading the truth.

nyassembly.gov...

Pity you guys don't care about kids who are alive as much as those aborted....

originally posted by: MyToxicTash
Pity you guys don't care about kids who are alive as much as those aborted....

Yep it's so painfully obvious for anyone that cares to look.

Conservative Christians are among the most hypocritical, authoritarian bigots amongst us, they want everyone to think like them, adopt their values and if they don't they get criticized and attacked at every opportunity.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

They just bleat murderers! While not coming up with plans to reduce the need of abortions.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

By failing to acknowledge one or all three of the motives of discourse I outlined above you have revealed your true motivation which is to profit off the back of fetal meat. This admittance of yours is troubling because of it's implied ambivalence toward human living entities which have been forced from their bodily vehicle; but it's understandable given your previous replies which seem to reveal a disturbing form of nihilistic chicanery in this thread.

My request, ( as I kindly ask it) is... Would you thoughtfully consider the possibility that there is more to this platform of life (presently embodied as a human living entity) than merely being food? Please consider that you are correct that this is indeed a condition of fleshly existence, but it is not the point, nor purpose, nor profit. And to deny such obvious truth is to admit one's degradation, loss of Self-Awareness, and is in point of fact: Heartless.

It is the very avenue whereby one can spend their evening defending the corpulent aspects of fetal harvesting without once revealing an ounce of compassionate sentiment for the "product" they work with.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: tanstaafl

When does life begin?

I don't think that's the question.

-sigh- Ok, I'll be more precise for those incapable of critical thought...

When does human life, as referenced in our Constitution re 'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness (they should have left it as 'Life, Liberty and Property') begin?

There is no magical moment when like "begins".

No magical moment, no, but there is a scientific moment. Again, I believe it is at Conception, but when a separate HEartbeat can be detected is a reasonable alternate.

However, if you think that conception is that special magical moment, then you do you believe that all abortions are murder.

All purely elective abortions, yes. I do acknowledge that there will sometimes be potential for circumstances that require a decision to be made - medical emergency, etc.

One further, do you think contraception that causes the lining of womb to thin and prevent the embryo from implanting is also murder?

No. Do you?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Did you understand the Abby Johnson story?

I'm not going to waste an hour of my life listening to pseudo science and moral outrage,

Be glad that you have that hour not to waste. So many babies do not get even an hour to live, let alone waste.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

And those they don't sell them the clinic actually have incinerators.

"And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD." Leviticus 18:21

a reply to: tanstaafl

When does human life, as referenced in our Constitution re 'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness (they should have left it as 'Life, Liberty and Property') begin?

14th Amendment
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

New York has taken off from it's laws the crime of murder of the unborn...

That's the way it's supposed to be.

Meanwhile the truth is "if a baby survives abortion and the baby is born alive, the law in New York allows for the "healthcare professional" to let the newborn die...

The law removed forced life support of an inviable fetus, which prolongs the suffering of newborn abortion survivors that are diseased and/or deformed to such a degree that they are incompatible with life, and leaves the decision up to the physician and the parents. As it should be. People take their loved on off of life support all the time. Both my grandparents had DNRs and the hospitals let them die, even assisted their deaths with lethal morphine drips.

a reply to: musicismagic
As long as she is paying for it. Government funded abortion is wrong. Many who pay taxes do not want that blood on their hands. Sorry. Why wait until the second trimester. If a one night stand occurs or rape give RU-486 and abort the process way early.

a reply to: MrRCflying

So many babies do not get even an hour to live, let alone waste.

Ah, the sweet lamentations of what never was and never was to be.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: MrRCflying

So many babies do not get even an hour to live, let alone waste.

Ah, the sweet lamentations of what never was and never was to be.

But what could have been, and WOULD have been in most cases, if not murdered.