A Kenyan Birth Certificate...

originally posted by: vinifalou
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Love how you democrats always try to make things about race. You and TinySickTears were the only ones being racists in this thread so far.

ETA: If people hate his guts is only because he's a criminal. Nothing to do with his skin color.

Oh, and I'm black too. Am I racist for not liking him?

To leftists you're worse than that, you're a sellout to your own race for not being like them. I feel bad for any person of color that isn't a democrat in today's society. It's bad enough being a white male Republican, but being black male Republican means the democrats hate you with a passion.

a reply to: LSU2018

The proof is contained in the Snopes article. Do you deny that:

A.) The birth certificate states that Obama was born in Mombasa in 1961.

B.) The birth certificate states that Mombasa was part of Kenya in 1961.

C.) Mombasa didn't become part of Kenya until 1963.

That is the entirety of the argument in the Snopes article. If you can disprove any single one of those premises then you've debunked the Snopes article.

If you can't then the source of the argument doesn't matter. The birth certificate is still a fake.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Maybe Obama was the first, but not the last?

We may never know.... LOL

You know this'll be the top headline on CNN now, right?

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: agentcyman

Except for ObamaCare, not much of Obama's "handiwork" is left in America. It's almost as if he was never here.

That's a good point. Most of his bad has been undone.

originally posted by: vinifalou
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Debunked by whom?

You saying the certificate Obama's brother posted is fake?

And if so, can you prove it?

if that birth certificate was real then how do you explain that his extremely pregnant mom went to a different country..a flight that would take 3 days and at least 2 airplanes, then according to the story, instead of going to his relatives they drove 300 miles in the opposite direction,,, they were living on student loans and this travel would have been extremely expensive.....so his mom on a whim went thousands of miles to a strange country and had her baby in a primitive hospital delivered by strangers??? yeah sounds legit (not)

www.calldrmatt.com...

sorry but when you look at the logistics to make this story work it is just preposterous

his grandma did NOT say he was born in kenya that audio was edited

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Flavian

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: vinifalou

Honestly this specific "birth certificate" has been floating around for 10 years. If you haven't seen all the evidence against it in that time, that's on you.

Here's a start, the document states that Obama was born in Mombasa, a city in the British Protectorate of Kenya. Except Mombasa was part of Zanzibar until 1963. Obama was born in 1961.

Amazing how this one birth certificate could predict the future.

It is absolutely pointless attempting to discuss this with the Birthers anymore. As you have so eloquently proved above, this is a non starter right from the get go but it will be completely ignored by the "Obama bad man" crowd. Sometimes you have to just admit that you can't argue against stupid and just leave them to it.

Chillax homie. Besides liberals, nobody has mentioned obama being a bad guy. This is about his birth certificate. Message your boys and pass the message so we can get back to a normal discussion. Please thanks.

You are completely missing the point. Which is actually very simple. It is established that the birth certificate in this thread is an obvious hoax as it demonstrates that he was born in a country THAT DIDN'T EXIST when he was born.

And yet when i posted that response people were wilfully ignoring this fact. Surely a normal discussion with sane individuals would recognise that this very glaring error mutes the whole discussion? But yet people are still banging on about it. As it is such a poor fake, why is this the case? The only rational answer is that some people have an agenda to push.

Maybe Obama is Kenyan - but if so, an ACTUAL legitimate birth certificate would need to be produced, not the exposed fake rubbish in this thread.

So, for a "normal discussion", perhaps you would care to share why such an obvious fake should be treated with anything other than the contempt it deserves?

a reply to: research100

..so his mom on a whim went thousands of miles to a strange country and had her baby in a primitive hospital delivered by strangers???

Well this part sounds possible if the Father wanted his son born in his country it may have been something he asked of her.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: LSU2018

The proof is contained in the Snopes article. Do you deny that:

A.) The birth certificate states that Obama was born in Mombasa in 1961.

B.) The birth certificate states that Mombasa was part of Kenya in 1961.

C.) Mombasa didn't become part of Kenya until 1963.

That is the entirety of the argument in the Snopes article. If you can disprove any single one of those premises then you've debunked the Snopes article.

If you can't then the source of the argument doesn't matter. The birth certificate is still a fake.

The BC says Mombasa British Protectorate of Kenya. Been that way since 1920 bro.

originally posted by: Flavian

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Flavian

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: vinifalou

Honestly this specific "birth certificate" has been floating around for 10 years. If you haven't seen all the evidence against it in that time, that's on you.

Here's a start, the document states that Obama was born in Mombasa, a city in the British Protectorate of Kenya. Except Mombasa was part of Zanzibar until 1963. Obama was born in 1961.

Amazing how this one birth certificate could predict the future.

It is absolutely pointless attempting to discuss this with the Birthers anymore. As you have so eloquently proved above, this is a non starter right from the get go but it will be completely ignored by the "Obama bad man" crowd. Sometimes you have to just admit that you can't argue against stupid and just leave them to it.

Chillax homie. Besides liberals, nobody has mentioned obama being a bad guy. This is about his birth certificate. Message your boys and pass the message so we can get back to a normal discussion. Please thanks.

You are completely missing the point. Which is actually very simple. It is established that the birth certificate in this thread is an obvious hoax as it demonstrates that he was born in a country THAT DIDN'T EXIST when he was born.

And yet when i posted that response people were wilfully ignoring this fact. Surely a normal discussion with sane individuals would recognise that this very glaring error mutes the whole discussion? But yet people are still banging on about it. As it is such a poor fake, why is this the case? The only rational answer is that some people have an agenda to push.

Maybe Obama is Kenyan - but if so, an ACTUAL legitimate birth certificate would need to be produced, not the exposed fake rubbish in this thread.

So, for a "normal discussion", perhaps you would care to share why such an obvious fake should be treated with anything other than the contempt it deserves?

The BC part that said "Mombasa British Protectorate of Kenya" was accurate and that's the only thing you're using to back up your angle. I don't know one way or the other, but Mombasa British Protectorate of Kenya isn't fake. They became that in 1920.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
a reply to: research100

..so his mom on a whim went thousands of miles to a strange country and had her baby in a primitive hospital delivered by strangers???

Well this part sounds possible if the Father wanted his son born in his country it may have been something he asked of her.

and this so called birth certificate says he was born in MOMBASSA which did not EXIST until after he was born

Barack's birth date and birthplace are listed as August 4th, 1961 in "Mombasa," again, that city was not part of the "Republic of Kenya" until 12 December 1963 — more than two years after Barack's birth.

On 1 July 1895, Mombasa became part of Britain's protectorate, with the coastal city being nominally under the sovereignty of Zanzibar. So in 1961, Mombasa was governed by the "British East African Protectorate" and was part of state of Zanzibar — not Kenya (whether "Dominion" or "Republic"). Here's a monument that commemorates Mombasa's history:

the link I posted earlier has a picture of this plaque

According to MombasaInfo.com: "The British took control of Mombasa in 1895, after the sultan of Zanzibar leased the town to the British. . . . The British rule officially ended when Kenya finally gained its hard-fought independence on the 12th December 1963."

snopes may have been incorrect on a few things but THIS is not one of them saying snopes lied about THIS is a total cop out.... you can dislike obama all you want but STOP the the blatant outright lies which we have given you the PROOF that they are lies but you continue to ignore

a reply to: research100

The first item on google what am I not understanding?

The Kenya Protectorate was established on 13 August 1920 when the territories of the former East Africa Protectorate which were not annexed by Britain were established as a British Protectorate. ... The Colony and the Protectorate each came to an end on 12 December 1963.

The Colony and Protectorate of Kenya was part of the British Empire in Africa from 1920 until 1963.

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: agentcyman

I believe the law is it doesn't matter where you were born as long as your mother is an American citizen then you are automatically a citizen at birth.

Well, the FACT is....that is NOT true at the time Obama was born, in 1961.

From the U.S. State Department website:

Birth Abroad in Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen and an Alien

For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, the U.S. citizen parent must have been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for 10 years prior to the person’s birth, at least five of which were after the age of 14 for the person to acquire U.S. citizenship at birth.

Lin k

Stanley Ann Dunham was 18 when Obama was born. She needed to be at least 19 years old to qualify to confer citizenship to him IF he was born overseas...not that I believe he was (She needed to live in the U.S. FIVE YEARS after the age of 14).

So you are just wrong.

originally posted by: Lysergic


Two World Wars
One World Cup

We have the memories, they have the industrial infrastructure and political leverage.

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
a reply to: agentcyman

And it is *still* completely pointless, just like DURING the presidency of Obama. Go on and dream your rascist, "never a black boi in the white house" nightmares on and on.

It happened.

And you couldn't prevent it.

It's over.

It does still matter - that a Kenyan managed to trick his way into the Presidency needs to be studied so that foreigners are more effectively excluded from running for President of the USA in the future. I suspect he has also broken some laws by pretending to be American to gain office, so should be punished regardless of whether it's in the past. I think a special counsel is appropriate - don't you? Just to get to the bottom of this. Unless he has something to hide, what would be the objection to that?

a reply to: vinifalou

But its okay that you ask for proof about the Hawaii birth certificate?
How does that work?

a reply to: LSU2018

The British Protectorate of Kenya did exist. But until 1963 Mombasa was part of Zanzibar. Not the British Protectorate of Kenya.

a reply to: vinifalou

From what is being discussed this is not new information but ten year old information instead.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: LSU2018

The British Protectorate of Kenya did exist. But until 1963 Mombasa was part of Zanzibar. Not the British Protectorate of Kenya.

So the real question is what was the Hospital in question putting on the BC's at the time, without seeing a legit one there is no way to be sure.
I am just glad i don't care either way but for the conspiracy aspect which is always fun. i just wish more people did not take it so personally especially at this point in time.

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
a reply to: agentcyman

And it is *still* completely pointless, just like DURING the presidency of Obama. Go on and dream your rascist, "never a black boi in the white house" nightmares on and on.

It happened.

And you couldn't prevent it.

It's over.

Excuse me, Adolf, but Germans have ZERO lessons to give anyone on racism...

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
a reply to: research100

The first item on google what am I not understanding?

The Kenya Protectorate was established on 13 August 1920 when the territories of the former East Africa Protectorate which were not annexed by Britain were established as a British Protectorate. ... The Colony and the Protectorate each came to an end on 12 December 1963.

The Colony and Protectorate of Kenya was part of the British Empire in Africa from 1920 until 1963.

en.wikipedia.org...

it means that mombassa was part of zanzibar it did not become protectorate and called mombassa as written on the PHONY birth certificate until 3 years after obama was born....how much simpler can we make this