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It's logical to say "Anyone making such claims must prove it themselves."
originally posted by: RobertSheaffer
"Excess energy" is a euphemism for "energy from nothing," or "a perpetual motion machine." Puthoff says that the Defense Department comes to them to "disprove" extraordinary excess energy claims. "So far we have disproven all of them." I'm glad to hear that, but I don't see why the Defense Department needs to spend taxpayer money refuting such claims. Anyone making such claims must prove it themselves.
In order to test Newman's machine, NBS scientists Robert E. Hebner, Gerard N. Stenbakken and David L. Hillhouse had to use sophisticated equipment not generally found in most research laboratories. These instruments, unlike many conventional current and voltage meters, were designed to handle the sharp spikes that punctuate the input and output electrical signals.
"We considered this a tricky, complex measurement problem," says an NBS representative. The measurements took three months to complete.
I meant to say dynamometer, not dynamo.
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
I couldn't pass the NASA engineers' test which got around that electrical measurement mess with a simple dynamo.
It wasn't easy to find the old story from 10 years ago, but I finally found it, these NASA folks would do the test in their spare time if their requirements were met. They could potentially put Puthoff's Earthtech out of the perpetual motion machine testing business:
There were a couple of NASA engineers (can't find the article now or the ATS thread about them) who in their spare time said they would evaluate such "free energy" machines as Puthoff's firm was contracted to evaluate.
Maybe part of what made the article hard for me to find is the headlines called them "NASA scientists", but I was searching "NASA engineers" because I knew they were engineers, as stated in their correspondence.
the designer needs to test their motor under a known mechanical load. If they don’t have a dynamometer available, then the simplest way to do this is to simply have their motor lift a known weight by winding a string or flexible cable of some sort around a spindle. This will serve as their homemade “dynamometer” if you will. We need to know the amount of weight lifted, the height the weight is lifted and the speed the weight is lift to get an output power measurement. Normally the speed is determined by the RPM’s of the output spindle. So, if the designer knows the height lifted with each RPM then all we need to know is the RPM’s of the spindle (not the motor if gear ratios are involved) to have the lifting speed.
The designer needs to measure the amount of current and voltage being delivered to their motor with a digital oscilloscope. We can recommend a brand and model. The oscilloscope needs to be adjusted such that a few cycles of the motor operation are captured within the oscilloscope screen. The voltage and current levels need to be adjusted to fill up the oscilloscope screen so that details of the input voltage and current can clearly be seen. Additionally and most important of all, the data values that are plotted on the oscilloscope screen need to be captured and saved to a CSV file so that they may be analyzed in a spreadsheet. We use Microsoft Excel spreadsheet to do this analysis.
Now the designer needs to perform several tests with their motor. We need to see this data captured when their motor is under no load to see how fast the motor will spin with no load. We need to see how much current and voltage their motor requires when they apply full power and prevent the motor from spinning and then we need to see their data when the motor is doing work by lifting a weight at a constant speed.
With all of this data, we can characterize the motor and get an understanding for the power curve for the motor and also determine the motor’s efficiency. We would like for the designer to video tape each of these test runs that we have described here.
That is all there is to it.
We are not out to embarrass anyone. If anyone wanted to have their motor tested privately with the results kept off of the web and away from the public we will honor that request.
By the same token, we are engineers and not theoretical physicists.
"Strike, Fast Eagle 110. Splash One UFO.....
With Black Ace One being a master in Air-to-Air combat, the UFO never stood a chance"
....Princeton had been picking up some bizarre returns on their Death Star-worthy SPY-1 radar. On several occasions beginning 10 November, the Fire Control Officer and the extremely experienced Fire Control Senior Chief had detected multiple returns descending from far above the radar’s scan volume–somewhere higher than 80,000 ft. The targets, dubbed Anomalous Aerial Vehicles (AAVs), would drop from above 80K to hover roughly 50 feet off the water in a matter of seconds.
....I called Dave to refresh my memory before sitting down to write this bizarre encounter, he informed me that the video had been removed from YouTube. He told me that a government agency with a three letter identifier had recently conducted an investigation into the AAVs and had exhaustively interviewed all parties involved
...."...in 2015 I became the editor of... Fighter Sweep, and one of the first articles I wrote..I call Dave up and I say..
Can you give me any more details? So he goes, you're not going to believe this, they've just left, the the investigation, ONI, Office of Naval Investigation [KB-actually Intelligence.] Literally, just walked out my door....
A note: This seems to suggest that Chierici obtained a copy of the 2015 ONI investigation report.
However, on the 17 December 2019, Chierici was interviewed on the UFO News Network show
"I called Dave up to, you know, refresh all the points that I was gonna write about and that's when I found out that AATIP had done an investigation...Dave believes they were AATIP and they had completed that in 2009 and through a variety of different means I was able to get my hands on the AATIP report before I did my article."
Source
.....But in terms of investigating the video leak, Gough writes, “Given the time since recording (approximately 5 years), the widespread distribution of the recording within the ship at the time of recording, and the size of the crew at the time (approximately 5,000), it was determined that there was no way to accurately determine who might have released the video.”
....Over the last few months, we've slowly obtained his name, place of birth, date of birth, photo and other information. But we still don't have any contact details for him.
..While reporting this story, Popular Mechanics tracked down an individual claiming to be thefinaltheory. Still fearing reprisal, even under the assumed pseudonym, the individual did not wish to speak on the record...
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originally posted by: mirageman
But the US Navy waited 4 days to check it out. Then did nothing when their F18s returned to the carrier with a story.
The Pentagon claim the 'FLIR' tape was " was widely shared throughout the ship at that time..[and]..it was determined that there was no way to accurately determine who might have released the video.".
But that does not appear to be the case. Because the guy who removed the video from the carrier fears reprisals and is known to Isaac Koi and Tim Mcmillan.
Things don't add up do they?
originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: mirageman
Do we all have to still pretend that Lil Tim didn't rejoin the family firm.
Perhaps Isaac will return to the thread armed with an abacus to help us do the sums, and also confirm whether or not he (or Tim) has been contacted by Pentagon representatives.
I've recently watched videos by thunderf00t analyzing the three videos released by TTSA, then the pentagon, and while he's a smart guy who knows some things, Mick West is better at it and presents his findings much more succinctly. Thunderf00t's videos are very long because he can't resist making fun of things he thinks are stupid at every step, and I recommend Mick West's videos instead, but still I thought this was funny from thunderf00t's video, relevant to that point, where he justifiably makes fun of Fravor's failure to operate his camera.
originally posted by: ConfusedBrit
originally posted by: mirageman
But the US Navy waited 4 days to check it out. Then did nothing when their F18s returned to the carrier with a story.
And despite advanced notice of alleged unusual activity, Fravor and Co couldn't be bothered to switch on their cameras during the first flight out to investigate? That aspect has never made sense since the story broke.
One question that occurs to me is whether someone might have actually been doing their duty, and following orders by leaking a boring video. After reading the slides in Snowden's leak showing UFOs such as mylar party balloons, "blurds" and a hubcap thrown in the air, it wouldn't seem to be inconsistent with intelligence strategies to show some mundane "UFO" photo or video and accompany it with some kind of amazing story that Fravor's camera was a potato so all we got was this boring nothingburger video. You know, this Snowden leak:
originally posted by: ConfusedBrit
And if not, should it not be at least Tim's duty as an American to pass on such info about "TFT" or "Cometa" to the Pentagon? Assuming of course the Pentagon takes any of this business seriously.
originally posted by: mirageman
If this was a real and unknown threat of any kind does anyone believe that the US Navy is telling the truth about this?
originally posted by: mirageman
Strange how, 11 year later in 2015, we have an investigation involving the poster boy of the Nimitz case. Just before this article was written. The author, Paco Chierici, has confirmed more details in other interviews. One hinting that he was visited by ONI agents and appears to have acquired the report from someone linked to AATIP.
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
After reading the slides in Snowden's leak showing UFOs such as mylar party balloons, "blurds" and a hubcap thrown in the air, it wouldn't seem to be inconsistent with intelligence strategies to show some mundane "UFO" photo or video and accompany it with some kind of amazing story that Fravor's camera was a potato so all we got was this boring nothingburger video. You know, this Snowden leak:
Slides in Snowden's latest leak are fake UFO images used to deliberately spread misinformation
”Slides are fake UFO images used to deliberately spread misinformation, claims expert”
Priming is a phenomenon whereby exposure to one stimulus influences a response to a subsequent stimulus, without conscious guidance or intention
The admiral at the center of controversial notes describing his inability to access a classified UFO research program says the documents are bogus. Furthermore, he says the alleged author of those notes, physicist Dr. Eric Davis, never interviewed him.
originally posted by: KilgoreTrout
originally posted by: mirageman
If this was a real and unknown threat of any kind does anyone believe that the US Navy is telling the truth about this?
Has the US Navy stated that they consider these events to be a 'real and unknownthreat'? If not, I don't see how any of this brings into question their competency. If they never considered such events as threatening why would they have responded any differently than they did? Is it incompetence for the command structure to fail to explain to those under it's command why they didn't consider it a threat? I don't know, maybe, but we have one 'leak' of a video and one very talkative pilot out of 5000 you say? That seems like a fairly tight ship to me.
originally posted by: mirageman
Strange how, 11 year later in 2015, we have an investigation involving the poster boy of the Nimitz case. Just before this article was written. The author, Paco Chierici, has confirmed more details in other interviews. One hinting that he was visited by ONI agents and appears to have acquired the report from someone linked to AATIP.
It seems to me that ONI, while not interested in the events themselves were, quite appropriately, interested in a video of the events being 'illegally' copied and downloaded onto the internet, hence the 2009 'investigation'.
originally posted by: Sublant
originally posted by: KilgoreTrout
originally posted by: mirageman
If this was a real and unknown threat of any kind does anyone believe that the US Navy is telling the truth about this?
Has the US Navy stated that they consider these events to be a 'real and unknownthreat'? If not, I don't see how any of this brings into question their competency. If they never considered such events as threatening why would they have responded any differently than they did? Is it incompetence for the command structure to fail to explain to those under it's command why they didn't consider it a threat? I don't know, maybe, but we have one 'leak' of a video and one very talkative pilot out of 5000 you say? That seems like a fairly tight ship to me.
originally posted by: mirageman
Strange how, 11 year later in 2015, we have an investigation involving the poster boy of the Nimitz case. Just before this article was written. The author, Paco Chierici, has confirmed more details in other interviews. One hinting that he was visited by ONI agents and appears to have acquired the report from someone linked to AATIP.
It seems to me that ONI, while not interested in the events themselves were, quite appropriately, interested in a video of the events being 'illegally' copied and downloaded onto the internet, hence the 2009 'investigation'.
ONI would not have anything to do with that. That would be NCIS or Master-at-arms.
ONI is not a law enforcement agency and they really don't do field CI either.