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Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

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posted on May, 27 2020 @ 06:06 PM
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originally posted by: ConfusedBrit
So, after playing endlessly with words, Eric Hitchhiker Davis basically says that the DoD still investigates unidentified craft in US airspace.

However, would you want to live in a country that did NOT investigate unidentified craft in their skies?


Unlike the UK then, where, to use a familiar term or party line, unidentified objects were of "no defence significance"




posted on May, 28 2020 @ 03:15 AM
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a reply to: Jukiodone

Isn't that the whole purpose of counter intelligence? Finding creative ways to distract your target audience away from one thing so that it will focus on another?

It has been UK and US foreign policy for decades to monitor their own subjects/citizens in grass roots movements and to disrupt those narratives that certain cabals believe threaten their way of life. They have also engaged in tactics that ensure that it never dawns on most of us that, when it comes to much of the world, we're the 'bad' guys. Part of that illusion comes from the belief that we're world leaders, in one way or another, and perhaps in one way or another we are, but to facilitate that kind of leadership we are required to have large swathes of the population engaged in low-paid, unrewarding drudgery. Internationally, that also means we have to support the destabilization of regimes that are unwilling to give us trade concessions until we find a regime that we will. To maintain the 1% exploitation is essential. To maintain that exploitation the UK and the US, and other corporate interests need to create the illusion that they are the 'good' guys. Largely for their benefit.

Because our own governments are deluding us (in one way or another), it makes it all the more easier for every Tom, Dick and P T Barnum to do so too.



posted on May, 28 2020 @ 03:31 AM
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Bigelow Aerospace..Do some legwork and look at ex employee reviews at how he ran his company then come back and wonder why its finished..



posted on May, 28 2020 @ 04:22 AM
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originally posted by: Blackfinger
Bigelow Aerospace..Do some legwork and look at ex employee reviews at how he ran his company then come back and wonder why its finished..


Keep up. We've been there, done that, had the free cookies and ice cream on a Friday earlier in the thread!

There's also a gap between what we know was spent on BAASS operations and the supposed $22m funding.

$6,900,000 - BAASS payroll est.
$400,000 est. cost of BAASS facilities
$20,000 est. cost BAASS equipment
$350,000 est. cost BAASS field investigations

$335,800 - MUFON contracts and purchases.

$1000 - HBCC UFO websites purchased from Brian Vike of Canada

$20,000 - est. Hal Puthoff and EarthTech team fees
$78,000 - est. for subcontracted 38 studies for DIRDs
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$8,104,800 est. total

(figures provided courtesy Curt Collins - Blue Blurry Lines)

Almost $14m unaccounted for.



posted on May, 28 2020 @ 08:10 AM
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a reply to: mirageman

By the way, I wouldn't want to testify in court with those figures, but it's an attempt to track the money, and so far, no one has disputed the account. Well, there's one exception - a reporter investigating the BAASS story tells me that the estimate for Puthoff's compensation seems to be far too low.

From another reliable (but as-yet unverified) source, the $22M was just part of the funding. If so, there;s far more money that no one is talking about.



posted on May, 28 2020 @ 04:47 PM
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a reply to: CardDown

I am inclined to agree with you;


there;s far more money that no one is talking about.


Alot of other folk don't appear to concentrate on Bob as much as I think they should. This crazy billionaire who has space dreams and an interest in UFOs and is everyone's "crazy grandad" of UFology doesn't cut it for me.

Questions like;

What was Bigelow Aerospace actually for?
Was it a channel to direct other funds and projects through?
Was Bigelow Aerospace essentially a Shell company considering the reported day to day running of its "Operations"?
Why did he buy out and raid Mufons files?
His Motivations for doing so, with government contract money?
What was that data used for?

Something stinks and it isn't the by now mouldy "cookies and ice cream".

I guess white blobs on film that were dubiously leaked right here on ATS are more interesting to argue forever about...
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posted on May, 29 2020 @ 12:07 AM
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a reply to: pigsy2400

Why did he buy out and raid Mufons files?
His Motivations for doing so, with government contract money?
What was that data used for?


That's the million dollar question, did Bigelow find anything of interest, what did he find? One can only guess his motives ?




posted on May, 29 2020 @ 03:48 AM
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a reply to: mirageman
Ahhh thank you,thought I had read it somewhere...Yes for someone to run his company that way its a wonder the Gov didnt go "Investigation committee" on him..



posted on May, 29 2020 @ 06:08 AM
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originally posted by: KilgoreTrout
a reply to: Jukiodone

Isn't that the whole purpose of counter intelligence? Finding creative ways to distract your target audience away from one thing so that it will focus on another?



So you think it's not an insane amount of overkill to have a member of staff pretend to be a real life "Scotty" when the patents have a similar value to StarTrek Tech manual descriptors of "Heisenberg Compensators"?

People in adversarial intelligence gathering units have access to the best scientific minds in their country.

Absolutely every SME (except for Safratti) immediately identified them as StarTrek level tech manuals.... a list of nice to have's with no basis to progress using current models.
Absolutely every technology acquisition team already has RTSC's, Compact Fusion Reactors and portable HFGW generators at the top of their respective wish lists- and have done so for decades.

At some point we have to recognise "it" all takes real time and money...and when the end result isn't proportionate to the input- with so many obvious sanity checks omitted - alternative theories become worthy of consideration.

I get the theory proposed- but when we actually have the benefit of hindsight to measure success (so far)- it makes no sense.



posted on May, 29 2020 @ 06:10 AM
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a reply to: Jukiodone

Sarfatti is very busy at the moment so am reading.



posted on May, 29 2020 @ 07:38 AM
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The American military do waste money on fantasy. Back in 2002 Las Vegas physicist Eric Davis, current hero of UFO fans everywhere, was paid $25,000 by the U.S. Air Force Research Lab to discuss the scientific possibilities of teleportation in a small 88 page paper. Yep! It's complete utter useless junk and Eric only wrote a few pages anyway. Nice work if you can get it.



Star Trek fans may be happy to hear that the Air Force has paid to study psychic teleportation.
But scientists aren't so thrilled.

The Air Force Research Lab's August "Teleportation Physics Report," posted earlier this week on the Federation of American Scientists (FAS) Web site, struck a raw nerve with physicists and critics of wasteful military spending.

In the report, author Eric Davis says psychic teleportation, moving yourself from location to location through mind powers, is "quite real and can be controlled." The 88-page report also reviews a range of teleportation concepts and experiments:

█ Quantum teleportation, a technique demonstrated in the last decade that shifts the characteristics, but not the location, of sub-atomic particles at great distances.

█ Wormholes, a highly theoretical possibility whereby the intense gravitational field near black holes could rip open entrances to distant locales.

█ Psychokinesis, or psychic teleportation. In support of the idea, the report cites UFO reports, Soviet and Chinese studies of psychics and U.S. military studies of spoon-bending phenomena.

"It is in large part crackpot physics," says physicist Lawrence Krauss of Case Western Reserve University, author of The Physics of Star Trek, a book detailing the physical limits that prevent teleportation. He describes the Air Force report as "some things adapted from reasonable theoretical studies, and other things from nonsensical ones."

Some experts have long criticized what they see as a military sweet tooth for junk science. A "remote viewing" project, for example, undertaken by defense intelligence services and declassified in 1994, sought to see whether psychic powers could be employed to spy on the Soviet Union. The teleportation report "raises questions of scientific quality control at the Air Force," the FAS' Steven Aftergood says.

Davis, a physicist with Warp Drive Metrics of Las Vegas, couldn't be reached for comment. The Air Force paid $25,000 for the report, part of a $20.5 million advanced rocket and missile design contract. The report calls for $7.5 million to conduct psychic teleportation experiments.

"The views expressed in the report are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy of the Air Force, the Department of Defense or the U.S. Government," says an Air Force Research Lab (AFRL) statement sent to USA TODAY. "There are no plans by the AFRL Propulsion Directorate for additional funding on this contract."

Explaining why the lab sponsored the study, AFRL spokesman Ranney Adams said, "If we don't turn over stones, we don't know if we have missed something."

Sources : USA Today Nov 5th 2004

Source : fas.org...




So why did Eric get paid so much for writing a short science fiction like?

The answer is probably that it's a way of paying him back for services rendered elsewhere. He's one of Bigelow's Vegas UFO Mob. They want people to keep chasing aliens whilst they carry on doing whatever it is they really do.



posted on May, 29 2020 @ 08:12 AM
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a reply to: mirageman

Nick Pope is busy pushing Eric Davis video out. Folks appear to be lapping it up.








posted on May, 29 2020 @ 12:39 PM
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originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: Jukiodone

Sarfatti is very busy at the moment so am reading.




Sarfatty is a quacky



posted on May, 29 2020 @ 12:41 PM
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a reply to: mirageman

It takes literally two seconds to realize that "Dr." Eric Davis is also a Quack....

Sarfatty.... Davis.... and Hal... are a joke.

Let me add Deepneuron to this list.... he has completely lost his marbles !!!

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posted on May, 29 2020 @ 12:44 PM
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I must add that Eric was also fishing for more funds after creaming $25k for about a day's work putting together his pamphlet. Much of which looks like he cribbed it from an encyclopaedia.

Here are his recommendations to the US Military.



Recommendations:

There are numerous supporters within the U.S. military establishment [mainly Eric's IC chums] who comprehend the significance of remote viewing and PK phenomenon, and believe that they could have strategic implications...

A research program improving on and expanding, or implementing novel variations of, the Chinese and Uri Geller-type experiments should be conducted in order to generate a Teleportation phenomenon in the lab. The performances and characteristics of Teleportation need to be delineated in order to develop a refined hypothesis. Such a program should be designed so that an operational model for Teleportation can be developed and implemented as a prototype.

An experimental program similar in fashion to the Remote Viewing program should be funded at $900,000 – 1,000,000 per year in parallel with a theoretical program funded at $500,000 per year for an initial five-year duration. ...



Eric even confirms in his report.


we are still very far away from being able to entangle and teleport human beings (and even simpler biological entities such as cells, etc.)


Davis also authored 5 of those DIRD reports and his EarthTech boss Puthoff authored 3 of them.

Puthoff has a similar record with wasting money from taxpayers for Project Stargate (Remote viewing and PK were never proven to exist) for nearly 20 years and also had a hand in scamming ufology with the SERPO hoax just before Harry Reid (a Bigelow benefactor) says he thought what became AATIP would be a good idea.

Don't forget how Eric was also trying to convince Bigelow that Santilli's fraud alien autopsy was real as well in that memo. Years after it had been exposed.

Don't forget his mate Hal has pocketed TTSA funds to test the meta-materials and produced nothing at all of substance.Results were due by October 2018. Just a tiny part of his 50 year record of failure. Yet he remained a go to person for the military, Bigelow and DeLonge.

Recently like Harry Reid. Eric recently talks to UFO friendly media to criticise the Pentagon's statements and state that he's still a secret squirrel advising AATIP. But neither of them offer to assist clarification to the Pentagon's Public Relations people did they? Nor has the Pentagon asked for clarification from all these 'in the know people'.

Maybe someone has a plausible theory what's going on with these guys?



posted on May, 29 2020 @ 12:47 PM
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a reply to: celltypespecific
Yes you have said that a few times. My point though he is pretty busy.

Do you think Green is quacky too?

m.facebook.com...

I agree with you re Deep. Lost the plot so it seems. Most do.




posted on May, 29 2020 @ 12:58 PM
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originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: celltypespecific
Yes you have said that a few times. My point though he is pretty busy.

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What is the point of that point though?

For all I know that means crazy Jacks spent the last decade eyeing up girls old enough to be his grand daughter.

Oh he has!!






posted on May, 29 2020 @ 01:00 PM
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originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: celltypespecific
Yes you have said that a few times. My point though he is pretty busy.

Do you think Green is quacky too?

m.facebook.com...

I agree with you re Deep. Lost the plot so it seems. Most do.



Yes.... I agree with Miregmen.

A major objective of these "scientist" Kit, Hal, and Davis is simple to acquire as much government/federal/contractual grant funding as possible.

Kit Green is clearly a counter intelligence agent.... it does not take much analysis to reach this conclusion.



posted on May, 29 2020 @ 01:26 PM
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originally posted by: mirageman
The American military do waste money on fantasy. Back in 2002 Las Vegas physicist Eric Davis, current hero of UFO fans everywhere, was paid $25,000 by the U.S. Air Force Research Lab to discuss the scientific possibilities of teleportation in a small 88 page paper. Yep! It's complete utter useless junk and Eric only wrote a few pages anyway. Nice work if you can get it.


The teleportation report "raises questions of scientific quality control at the Air Force," the FAS' Steven Aftergood says.
The teleportation report does raise questions of scientific quality control related to military research projects. It might not be so terrible if Davis at least admitted how speculative and relatively unlikely some of the fantasy ideas are, but what I find annoying is he recognizes other scientists know they are fantasy and then claims the aren't as far-fetched as some people think, but that's my problem with him, because they really are far-fetched.

The wasted $25000 on Davis's paper is probably a drop in the bucket compared to how much money has been wasted on Hal Puthoff's research which is famous for its lack of scientific quality control and one of his completely implausible patents is used for training purposes to show how “even a competent examiner may fail to distinguish innovation from pseudoscience.”

A CASE STUDY OF INOPERABLE INVENTIONS: WHY IS THE USPTO PATENTING PSEUDOSCIENCE?
See Case Study D, The Puthoff Patent.

The completely lacking scientific quality control of Puthoff's work is discussed here:

Hal Puthoff


Harold Puthoff is an engineer and parapsychologist and one of the true legends of pseudoscience. In the 1970s and 1980s Puthoff directed a CIA/DIA-funded program at SRI International tasked with investigating paranormal abilities, collaborating with Russell Targ in a study of the purported psychic abilities of Uri Geller, Ingo Swann, Pat Price, Joseph McMoneagle and others, as part of the Stargate Project. Both Puthoff and Targ became convinced that Geller and Swann had genuine psychic powers, which doesn’t exactly speak too well of their methods or critical thinking abilities...

When psychologists attempted to replicate Targ and Puthoff’s remote viewing experiments (they seem to have invented the term by the way, which is really just a fancy name for “clairvoyance” or “telepathy”), they were unsurprisingly unable to do so. Accordingly, they investigated the procedure of the original experiments to see whether they could explain the discrepancy, and thus discovered that the notes given to the judges in Targ and Puthoff’s experiments contained clues as to which order they were carried out, such as referring to yesterday’s two targets, or they had the date of the session written at the top of the page. They concluded that these clues were the reason for the experiment’s high hit rate (this was not the only problem with the “research”). One may wonder why Puthoff and Targ put the clues in there, but you probably shouldn’t. In fact, the investigators (Marks and Kammann) were initially able only to investigate the few actual transcripts Targ and Puthoff had actually published; to find out whether the unpublished transcripts contained cues, Marks and Kammann wrote to Targ and Puthoff requesting copies, which Targ and Puthoff refused to supply – which is pretty unusual in scientific contexts. Marks and Kammann were nevertheless able to obtain copies from the judge who used them, and guess what? The transcripts of course contained a wealth of cues. In other words, if Targ and Puthoff weren’t frauds, they must have been extraordinarily delusional, possibly even by pseudoscientist standards. Subsequent tests of their hypotheses were negative; moreover, students have easily been able to obtain Targ and Puthoff’s desired results based on the clues left in the transcripts alone. Though bunk, Puthoff and Targ’s experiments are still harvesting press coverage from the credulous (or spineless).

In 1985, Puthoff founded the for-profit company EarthTech International and a purportedly scientific research organization, Institute for Advanced Studies, where he is Director. Puthoff and EarthTech were granted a US Patent in 1998 after five years delay, due to controversy over their claim that information could be transmitted over a distance using a modulated potential with no electric or magnetic field components. The case is still used for educational purposes in patent law to illustrate that even for a valid patent “even a competent examiner may fail to distinguish innovation from pseudoscience.”

In particular, Puthoff is famous for his promotion of zero-point energy (ZPE); indeed, he is probably the main promoter of the idea. And it is pseudoscience, of course. Puthoff’s work on ZPE lacked transparency and scientific backing, and as such bore a striking resemblance to his psi work.

It is worth mentioning that already in the 1960s, while a devout top-level scientologist, Puthoff wrote, in a scientology publication, that he had achieved “remote viewing” abilities during his ascension through scientology ranks, and that scientology had given him “a feeling of absolute fearlessness.” (He later severed all connections with scientology.)

Diagnosis: Though it is hard to believe, Puthoff seems to be a true believer, which makes his systematic and striking failures to make his experiments methodologically sound all the more interesting. Probably harmless by now, but his legacy continues to sillify the Internet.

I have wondered if Tom DeLonge realized that TTSA co-founder Puthoff had such a reputation as a crackpot.

One of the more easily falsifiable claims of Puthoff discussed by physicists over on physicsforums.com is that empty space would be opaque if it contained as much energy as Puthoff claims:

Is this crack pottery?

It is a counter to the claim that [Puthoff] is a "respected" physicist. Nothing could be further from that! He isn't "respected", especially when if you buy everything he says about zero-point energy, empty space should be opaque with the amount of energy that he claim can be extracted. Do the math!
You guys can dig into as much of the technical details as you wish but the TL;DR answer to the question the thread poses about whether Puthoff's work is crackpottery is generally "yes" relating to the case study of his inoperable patent, and claims about the vacuum and vacuum energy which would make the vacuum opaque if they were true, etc.

That's not to say Puthoff doesn't have valid credentials, he has a PhD in electrical engineering and has done some research on lasers that doesn't get discussed when scientists talk about his crackpottery so maybe some of his work on lasers is valid, but I would question even that after reading about how sloppy his other research was.



posted on May, 29 2020 @ 01:37 PM
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I have seen that one MM. Jack is always busy getting out and about



I was reading this though.

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@Cellty, Kit Green is interesting




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