Poll: Democrat voters now more in favor of wars than Republicans because Trump wants to pull out

(note as always polls should be taken with a grain of salt)

According to a new poll, Democrat VOTERS are now more in favor of continuing the wars in Afghanistan and Syria than independent or republican voters.

But while official Washington united in opposition, new polling data from Morning Consult/Politico shows that a large plurality of Americans support Trump’s Syria withdrawal announcement: 49 percent support to 33 percent opposition.

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But what is remarkable about the new polling data on Syria is that the vast bulk of support for keeping troops there comes from Democratic Party voters, while Republicans and independents overwhelming favor their removal. The numbers are stark: Of people who voted for Clinton in 2016, only 26 percent support withdrawing troops from Syria, while 59 percent oppose it. Trump voters overwhelmingly support withdraw by 76 percent to 14 percent.

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Identical trends can be seen on the question of Trump’s announced intention to withdraw half of the U.S. troops currently in Afghanistan, where Democrats are far more supportive of keeping troops there than Republicans and independents.

This case is even more stark since Obama ran in 2008 on a pledge to end the war in Afghanistan and bring all troops home. Throughout the Obama years, polling data consistently showed that huge majorities of Democrats favored a withdrawal of all troops from Afghanistan:

(for some reason the Intercept link is not working, here is another site with the exact same article)

www.zerohedge.com...


So when Obama was in office, Democrat voters wanted a withdrawal of all troops from Afghanistan for example. But now they oppose withdrawal.

What would gave caused the change?

While Democrats were more or less evenly divided early last year on whether the U.S. should continue to intervene in Syria, all that changed once Trump announced his intention to withdraw, which provoked a huge surge in Democratic support for remaining. “Those who voted for Democrat Clinton now said by a 42-point margin that the U.S. had a responsibility to do something about the fighting in Syria involving ISIS,” Edwards-Levy wrote, “while Trump voters said by a 16-point margin that the nation had no such responsibility

So its seems like the hatred of tTrump is so strong, if he says war bad, Demopcratic voters will change their minds and say war good.

But hey, it works both ways, as Trump supporters that were for intervention suddenly supported withdrawal when Trump suggested it.

(Similar trends can be seen among GOP voters, whose support for intervention in Syria has steadily declined as Trump has moved away from his posture of the last two years — escalating bombings in both Syria and Iraq and killing far more civilians, as he repeatedly vowed to do during the campaign — to his return to his other campaign pledge to remove troops from the region.)

How sad is it that people are willing to change their fundamental beliefs because they would rather cheer for their team.

Greenwald has been warning the left for years now that the cheering of the intel communities in pushing the Russia narrative is a mistake. Now he feels we are seeing the fruits of that, as the very voters once likely to be most opposed to jingoism and militarism are now in favor of it, just to spite Trump.

But what’s happening here is far more insidious. A core ethos of the anti-Trump #Resistance has become militarism, jingoism, and neoconservatism. Trump is frequently attacked by Democrats using longstanding Cold War scripts wielded for decades against them by the far right: Trump is insufficiently belligerent with U.S. enemies; he’s willing to allow the Bad Countries to take over by bringing home U.S. soldiers; his efforts to establish less hostile relations with adversary countries is indicative of weakness or even treason.

At the same time, Democratic policy elites in Washington are once again formally aligning with neoconservatives, even to the point of creating joint foreign policy advocacy groups (a reunion that predated Trump). The leading Democratic Party think tank, the Center for American Progress, donated $200,000 to the neoconservative American Enterprise Instituteand has multilevel alliances with warmongering institutions. By far the most influential liberal media outlet, MSNBC, is stuffed full of former Bush-Cheney officials, security state operatives, and agents, while even the liberal stars are notably hawkish (a decade ago, long before she went as far down the pro-war and Cold Warrior rabbit hole that she now occupies, Rachel Maddow heralded herself as a “national security liberal” who was “all about counterterrorism”).

In only a decade the establishment has turned many of the strongest anti neo con people into their allies. What a frighteningly powerful manipulation.

"Send out troops to die because We Hate Trump"

F**king pathetic.

Here's what I know. Most people on both sides of the aisle respected and trusted general Mattis. Mattis has reason to believe that now is not the time. Trump didn't listen.

Trump should say that he is pro-oxygen and pro-breathing.

Maybe in protest the left will stop breathing and/or start breathing carbon monoxide.

a reply to: Grambler


This is odd, but predictable.

What is even stranger is your chosen source:

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You lean a little right, from what I have read, and now you are using a left-bias source to make a point.

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But seriously, It is interesting how allegiances, sources, perspectives and views have drastically changed over the past few years. There are so many examples to list here, but you have identified a critical one: How the left and right have essentially traded places on foreign affairs and outlooks. In 2012 Mitt Romney Identified Russia as the US's greatest threat, and Obama made fun of him. Now the opposite is true.

Nice post - your link did not work for me.

you all would leave your allies hanging?

and, essentially give Syria to Russia?

cool.



so, making sure those left behind won't get annihilated is the same as starting new wars in your eyes?

I liked that General Mattis had the decency and honor to resign when he had a substantial difference with the president. And unlike the spin a lot of the reports put on his resignation letter, I thought it expressed a sincere hope that the president get support from people in his administration who can get behind his agenda 100%.

Reply to LordAhriman

a reply to: Grambler
I really don't care, what the Republicans or Democrats think. When you have the Secretary of Defense, a General telling you why it is a mistake to pull out, and trump, with ZERO, military experience saying F U, I am pulling out anyway. That is straight up WRONG, no matter how you spin it.


To top it off, trump then declared, he think he would have been a "great general" Really? If you can not see how stupid the man is, your blinded by your own party.

originally posted by: LordAhriman
Here's what I know. Most people on both sides of the aisle respected and trusted general Mattis. Mattis has reason to believe that now is not the time. Trump didn't listen.

Lol.

Thanks for proving his point. If the Left in any way cared about that angle they would have been against pulling out of Vietnam.

This is purely 100% hate Trump and oppose everything he does ideology. Spin it however you want but nobody is buying it.

Of course Leftist hypocrisy was highlighted perfectly when they protested Iraq and Afghanistan in the streets (which I agreed with) and were completely silent as Obama overthrew Libya, destroyed Syria, financed Iran so they could export more terrorism and prolong the Syrian War for years, financed the overthrow of the Ukrainian government and installed Neo Nazi Right Sector thugs in the new government, gave the Saudis permission to light up Yemen, overthrew the Honduran government and installed a convicted coc aine smuggler as the leader etc etc etc.

No one on the left opposed any of that and in fact actively ran interference for the Mocha Warmonger as he let the world burn.

Oh and basically created ISIS. Can't forget about that one can we?

Obama was more of a war monger than Bush and the left clapped like trained seals for his every murderous decision and action.

Spin it now you want. History doesn't change based on the current Leftist delusion.

Well then why make a post about a skewed poll as if it were fact? You should really venture out of your parents basement once in a while. The fresh air might help with the brain fog. a reply to: Grambler

a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey

Fixed the link I think.

Its is not odd I would use a left wing source; I dont let my bias ignore sources.

In addition, the divide of left and right is often times a phony one, especially when discussing things like war, as most of the establishment left and right is in unison they are a good idea.

Greenwald is someone I disagree with often, just like progressive Jimmy dore. The one thing I am in agreement with them on is their understanding that the neo cons and neo libs both push for these regime change wars.

As I have said repeatedly, the only time the lib media has p[raised Trump is when he was dropping bombs on syria. ALl of the sudden he was "presidential"

a reply to: Grambler

Nothing Surprising

They were in favor of war when Obama was selling it.

Polls: More Democrats than Republicans Support Syria Strike
www.cbsnews.com...

originally posted by: LordAhriman
Here's what I know. Most people on both sides of the aisle respected and trusted general Mattis. Mattis has reason to believe that now is not the time. Trump didn't listen.

People on both sides trusted the intel agents and generals in the iraq war. They had a reason to believe we should go in and not withdraw as well.

originally posted by: soundguy
Well then why make a post about a skewed poll as if it were fact? You should really venture out of your parents basement once in a while. The fresh air might help with the brain fog. a reply to: Grambler

That's pretty rich coming from you lol. Pot and kettle and all that.

a reply to: knoxie

you all would leave your allies hanging?

and, essentially give Syria to Russia?

I assume you're talking about the Kurds who we've used as pawns for decades (which is horrible).

Well Americans can't have their cake and eat it too,because the main consern for Kurds is Turkey, who is also an ally and part of NATO, so should we attack Turkey?

As for the Russia remark, they already have control of Syria.

We are making conditions worse and fanning the flames of civil war. Unless we make a Kurdistan, than those people are going to be in danger.

We have no endgame other than the official objective of defeating ISIS.

originally posted by: knoxie
you all would leave your allies hanging?

and, essentially give Syria to Russia?

cool.



so, making sure those left behind won't get annihilated is the same as starting new wars in your eyes?

Democrats who wanted us out of iraq would leave all of our allies hanging? They would give up the country to isis or other terror groups?

Yes, I know the neo con arguments for never pulling out of these wars.

We have been in Afghanistan for about 18 years, but that still isnt enough. How many will be neccessary? 50? 100?

And here I thought the democrats were against empires.

Leftists would sacrifice ANYTHING and ANYONE to go against Trump.

Here’s another poll.

thehill.com...

a reply to: Grambler

Just another circle jerk to get stars and flags?

What is your opinion?

What is the republicans opinion?

Who did they ask?

I used to like your OPs , but meh... i"ll give you a star and flag though since you are fishing for them

a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey

Theintercept.com is definitely left leaning, Glenn Greenwald is a self proclaimed leftist.

That said, he is one of the last true journalists, and he is still living with the ramifications of telling Snowden story. (Greenwald along with Jeremy Scahill were seemed out by Snowden to do the story, the two journalists formed the Intercept after).

Glenn has been frustrated with the perversion and bastardization of the left, confusing some people about where he stands.

His point here is valid.